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People that are for Isolator being introduced keep harking on the fact that its customer service. Well I have a question for these ppl. What did you do when....

1. The nerfed Regen into oblivion.
2. The nerfed Fire Tanks (esp Burn)
3. They introduced Supression
4. Introduced ED
5. All but stopped Dreck Farming
6. All but stopped Kraken Farming

Sure there are individuals who are still upset over any # of these changes (and many more) but they have learned to accept it and moved on. Its no different from Isolator.

Why not make a thread saying that the customer base wants ED removed and since its customer satisfaction they should do it!!! Why havent the devs removed ED since its customer satisfaction? Answer that.

There are numerous examples as to why sometimes a business must not pay attention to customer desires and instead take its own course of action. Did ED ruin this game? Absolutely not. Will not introducing a way to obtain Isolator ruin this game? Absolutely Not.

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The reverse also applies. All of those changed, while made some customers, upset were also a result of complaints and suggestions. Diministing returns on enchancements was a player suggestion. ED may not have been the implementation that was in mind. But, it was a result of a suggestion. And while the devs cannot please everyone, and they may choose not to give isolator. That does not mean we cannot ask. Just like there were and are requests for ED to be rolled back.

To answer your individual questions about individual events.

1. The nerfed Regen into oblivion.
Nothing. I did not have a regen and could not provide an informed opinion.

2. The nerfed Fire Tanks (esp Burn)
See my answer for regen

3. They introduced Supression
Thought is was a good compromise from the complaints about giving penaties to all other travel powers but, fly who already had them.

4. Introduced ED
My initial reaction is that this was overkill given the changes made with Issue 5. That changed when I played with ED and did not see much of an impact on my playstyle. I could not do all that I did before but, it was far from the earth shattering event I thought it would be.

5. All but stopped Dreck Farming
Did this a little bit but, found it boring. It was no loss in my opinion. Though I realized others have felt differently. To each their own. I did not complain that they were doing it nor did I argue that it should have been taken away.

6. All but stopped Kraken Farming
Never did this one. Though It seems a bit more exciting then Dreck from my point of view. To each their own. I did not complain that they were doing it nor did I argue that it should have been taken away.

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Ok, I have read the posts and here are my findings of the more important facts:

1) Blue House : If granny lives across the street, you may want to rethink the color. There are many colors that she may be more willing to compromise for, but obviously blue is not a color she is comfortable with.

2) fighting monkeys: Who doesn't enjoy watching the cute little critters play with each other. Yeah, sometimes they may get rough but it is all fun and games. (No monkeys were hurt in the making of the post)

3) Straw man - I am still a little confused. I have seen the movie several times and am wondering if he actually got a brain or if he was just reading off the diploma he received.

4) egg mcmuffin - While not bad, I prefer the bagel sandwiches. Although, I tend to skip breakfast, (of course, hurting Mcdonalds business in the process), they are much better in my humble opinion.

5) ad hominem: What can I day, looked up the definition and am still confused, so all I can say is that I am disappointed with my efforts and 80% of most people I don't know, agree.

Edit: Oh yeah, and there is a quick but discreet argument going on between a few people on whether isolater should be available to pre I2 characters. I didn't want to hurt anyones feelings so thought I would throw this in.


 

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You buy a regular hamburger and start eating it. You get a couple of bites in and then see that they have started putting cheese on them as well. You, liking cheese, want to have cheese on your hamburger, so you go back to the counter and ask for cheese. Unfortunately, they say no because you have already started eating your hamburger. However, you can get a new hamburger with cheese (let's call it a cheeseburger for lack of a better term ) and enjoy that.


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Wow! This is a sad anology here if I have ever seen one.

Ya know I actually had this problem once, I ordered a hamburger and I was not thinking and I ate half of my hamburger when I realized I want the cheese. So I go back to the counter and told the worker I would like cheese on this burger as I did not realize it didnt have any.

The worker then went to the back and grabbed a slice of cheese and gave it to me. She did not tell me to throw away my hamburger and force me to buy another. She simply gave me the slice of cheese and said Thank you for being a valued customer, please come back.

And ya know what, when I consumed that cheeseburger, I came back and back for more each and everyday.

This is the way a business is suppose to work, and if you disagree with that then you will never understand customer satisfaction.


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You buy a regular hamburger and start eating it. You get a couple of bites in and then see that they have started putting cheese on them as well. You, liking cheese, want to have cheese on your hamburger, so you go back to the counter and ask for cheese. Unfortunately, they say no because you have already started eating your hamburger. However, you can get a new hamburger with cheese (let's call it a cheeseburger for lack of a better term ) and enjoy that.


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Wow! This is a sad anology here if I have ever seen one.

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Way to misunderstand the way an analogy works. You are not supposed to try to take all that happens from one side and then compare it to the other and expect them to match.

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Here are more specific examples:
1. shoe is to foot as tire is to wheel
2. followers are to a leader as planets are to a sun
3. shells were to ancient cultures as dollar bills are to modern culture

In each of these examples, there are parallels between the first to terms and the last two. In the first example, a shoe has the same relation to a foot that a tire has to a wheel. Followers, by the same logic, are similar to planents, and shells functioned in some ancient cultures as printed money functions in our culture today.

Although analogies are helpful in pointing out relationships that may not at first be visible, they have their limitations. You often hear it said that an analogy "breaks down." That means that it is only suggestive and does not follow in every detail.

In the first example above, for instance, there is only limited similarity between a shoe and a tire. I don't know if a tire "protects" a wheel, as a shoe protects a foot. Shoes are not paritcularly round. And you don't usually have to "air up" shoes. On the other hand, they can both wear out in similar ways and both are usually made of some pretty durable stuff.

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This is the way a business is suppose to work, and if you disagree with that then you will never understand custome satisfaction.

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.

The route to success is not in always following blindly what the customer wants. it is discovering what the customer wants, seeing how what that small subset wants will affect the rest of your customers, and seeing if your company is able to do so (what the small subset wants) within the long-range plans that you (the business owner) have for your company.

There are a large number of wants coming from the customers. ustomer satisfaction also includes deciding what wants the customer has will get fufilled.


 

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There are a large number of wants coming from the customers. ustomer satisfaction also includes deciding what wants the customer has will get fufilled.

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Actually I believe the phrase is " Needs -vs- Desires "

People on this thread "Desire" the Isolator badge, however CoX "Needs" more content that is relevant to the ENTIRE player base, not just satisfying the "Desires" of a select few. As stated by others the man power it'd take to code a way to obtain Isolator is taking away from the "Needs" of the ENTIRE player base. And as Ive stated over and over again, those who "Desired" to have Isolator very well could have earned it at anytime (now or in the past)


 

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.


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Well I'm sorry to inform you that you are wrong here. In a business world, the customer is alwaysright whether you personally feel they are or not. By making the customer happy will ensure that this customer will return to your business and spend more money.

I know I own and operate my own business. And if I were to keep the mentality of the customer is not always right with my employees, I would be doing a lot less business. As would any other business.

Now if a customer comes to me and says , I do not like the design of your store, please change it, then yeah this is something far greater then what we are talking about here. We are speaking of a simple badge/slice of cheese. Not a complete remodel of your business.

By giving the customer what he/she wants such as a badge /slice of cheese, will not effect the way the business is run, destroy your business, or effect the future customer who order a cheese burger/new hero.

So by someone giving me my slice of cheese/badge to make me as a customer happy, will not destroy or manipulate the way future business will run for this company or any other company. If I receive this slice of cheese/badge it will not change the taste of the other slices of cheese, nor will it change the meaning of the badge.


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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.


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Well I'm sorry to inform you that you are wrong here. In a business world, the customer is alwaysright whether you personally feel they are or not. By making the customer happy will ensure that this customer will return to your business and spend more money.


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Again I ask... then why hasnt ED been reversed? Sometimes Beef_Cake its best to NOT do what the customer wants. The way businesses REALLY work (yes welcome to reality) is to apease the majority. In this case the majority of the players want new content. Period.


 

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.


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Well I'm sorry to inform you that you are wrong here. In a business world, the customer is alwaysright whether you personally feel they are or not. By making the customer happy will ensure that this customer will return to your business and spend more money.

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Cherrypicking, I admit, but, if this is the case, how is microsoft still in business? How are nearly any large businesses in business?

Customer (singular) is usually wrong.

Customers (plural) might be right

How about the time I went to Home Depot, and some guy was complaining that he found some pair of pliers on a rack that simply said 99 cents. The manager looked up the actual price, and they were 20 dollars. The customer demanded that he be given it for 99 cents, and the manager, not being an idiot, flat out refused.

Do you really believe the manager made a bad decision?

Customers who think that "the customer is always right" are just trying to sidestep all logic that goes against what they want.


 

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Agree or disagree all you want.

The developers should have never put in a reward that could not be earned by all with their current characters. Asking someone to sacrifice the time the put into a character and start over is unreasonable and unacceptable. I bet if a poll was taken on whether or not a pre-I2 character should have the opportunity to get the badge, the majority would agree to allow those characters that opportunity.

I don't like how they put Jailbird in the CoV tutorial. There is nothing in the tutorial that teaches players about exploration badges, nor do the contacts give out hints. The same goes for CoH, there is nothing in the tutorial that teaches players about arrest badges, nor do any of the contacts give out hints of a badge.


 

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Asking someone to sacrifice the time the put into a character and start over is unreasonable and unacceptable.

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So all you have is one lvl 50 and thats it? Not a single other toon (CoH side that is)? Because starting another toon and working towards 50 is no different... now or then By your own philosophy once you have one 50 then any new toon you create should instantly become 50 as well otherwise it'd be unreasonable & unacceptable


 

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Agree or disagree all you want.

The developers should have never put in a reward that could not be earned by all with their current characters. Asking someone to sacrifice the time the put into a character and start over is unreasonable and unacceptable. I bet if a poll was taken on whether or not a pre-I2 character should have the opportunity to get the badge, the majority would agree to allow those characters that opportunity.

I don't like how they put Jailbird in the CoV tutorial. There is nothing in the tutorial that teaches players about exploration badges, nor do the contacts give out hints. The same goes for CoH, there is nothing in the tutorial that teaches players about arrest badges, nor do any of the contacts give out hints of a badge.

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THat's because your not supposed to know where the badges are. They are ment as a reward for those willing to explore and search. The problem is, some people want the rewards without doing the actual work, and thus refer to cheat sheets like Badge Lists.


 

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Asking someone to sacrifice the time the put into a character and start over is unreasonable and unacceptable.

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So all you have is one lvl 50 and thats it? Not a single other toon (CoH side that is)? Because starting another toon and working towards 50 is no different... now or then By your own philosophy once you have one 50 then any new toon you create should instantly become 50 as well otherwise it'd be unreasonable & unacceptable

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Not sure what hole you pulled that logic out of. So you are assuming that I have one level 50. I like the way twist someone's statement to fit your needs.


 

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There are a large number of wants coming from the customers. ustomer satisfaction also includes deciding what wants the customer has will get fufilled.

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Actually I believe the phrase is " Needs -vs- Desires "

People on this thread "Desire" the Isolator badge, however CoX "Needs" more content that is relevant to the ENTIRE player base, not just satisfying the "Desires" of a select few. As stated by others the man power it'd take to code a way to obtain Isolator is taking away from the "Needs" of the ENTIRE player base. And as Ive stated over and over again, those who "Desired" to have Isolator very well could have earned it at anytime (now or in the past)

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Really I could have done it at any time on my existing character? Please enlighten me how?

Oh and to clarify. I do not mean on another character created after badges went live. I do not mean deleting and re-creating as this is another form of being a new character. One created after Issue 2. This has been my point over and over again. And this is where we disagree.

If the devs waited to introduce content based on the needs of the ENTIRE player base, it would never happen. There would have been no reason to provide PvP. There would be no reason to build a skills system. Why do I say this? Because, neither one of those is needed by the ENTIRE player base. In fact, I can guarantee you that they are players who have never done PvP (and no, I am not talking about me) and there will be those that won't use skills when they are released (again probably not me - but that remains to be seen). I mention these specifically, because PvP is an optional system just like badges. All indications from the devs is that skills will be optional is well.

You will never get Beef-Cake, Mna_Grok, you and I to agree on this issue. We are not going to convience each other. And that is expdentionally more accurate for the ENTIRE player base on most issues.

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.


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Well I'm sorry to inform you that you are wrong here. In a business world, the customer is alwaysright whether you personally feel they are or not. By making the customer happy will ensure that this customer will return to your business and spend more money.

I know I own and operate my own business. And if I were to keep the mentality of the customer is not always right with my employees, I would be doing a lot less business. As would any other business.

Now if a customer comes to me and says , I do not like the design of your store, please change it, then yeah this is something far greater then what we are talking about here. We are speaking of a simple badge/slice of cheese. Not a complete remodel of your business.

By giving the customer what he/she wants such as a badge /slice of cheese, will not effect the way the business is run, destroy your business, or effect the future customer who order a cheese burger/new hero.

So by someone giving me my slice of cheese/badge to make me as a customer happy, will not destroy or manipulate the way future business will run for this company or any other company. If I receive this slice of cheese/badge it will not change the taste of the other slices of cheese, nor will it change the meaning of the badge.

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*sigh* I explained this in the part of my post that you snipped out. Let me requote it for you again below:

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The route to success is not in always following blindly what the customer wants. it is discovering what the customer wants, seeing how what that small subset wants will affect the rest of your customers, and seeing if your company is able to do so (what the small subset wants) within the long-range plans that you (the business owner) have for your company.

There are a large number of wants coming from the customers. ustomer satisfaction also includes deciding what wants the customer has will get fufilled.

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THat's because your not supposed to know where the badges are. They are ment as a reward for those willing to explore and search. The problem is, some people want the rewards without doing the actual work, and thus refer to cheat sheets like Badge Lists.

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Well, that goes against everything that I would expect a tutorial to be. I would expect a tutorial to provide you with information about the game and what to expect in it. I'm all for exploring and searching for badges, but putting them in a tutorial, where you should be learning about the game goes against the whole concept of a "Tutorial." If they put badges in the tutorial, then they should be teaching you how to get them.


 

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Asking someone to sacrifice the time the put into a character and start over is unreasonable and unacceptable.

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So all you have is one lvl 50 and thats it? Not a single other toon (CoH side that is)? Because starting another toon and working towards 50 is no different... now or then By your own philosophy once you have one 50 then any new toon you create should instantly become 50 as well otherwise it'd be unreasonable & unacceptable

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Not sure what hole you pulled that logic out of. So you are assuming that I have one level 50. I like the way twist someone's statement to fit your needs.

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I didnt twist anything... acording to you..
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Asking someone to sacrifice the time the put into a character and start over is unreasonable and unacceptable.

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Anytime you start a new character you are sacrificing time.. the time to lvl up to 50 through content you have already experienced... With ONE cavet.... you get to expereince whatever has been newly added since you last lvld a toon to 50. Case in point, it would have been Isolator badge. Deal. I didnt twist anything... just using your own logic. If you are willing to lvl a new toon to 50 (as you state since you say you have more than one 50) then why not lvl a toon to 50 starting at I2? Or did I miss something?

People, people, people.... you all had a choice to make at I2... earn Isolator or not... Burnin Up you choose not to. Why punish those who did?


 

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Also, Number 4 of the 15 Myths of Buisness

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The customer is always right. No. No they're not. And sometimes you have to tell them so. In fact, sometimes they are so wrong that you will actually have to tell them you don't want them as a customer any more. It's a tough thing to do if you only have a couple of customers, but sometimes they cost you more money than you make from them.

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THat's because your not supposed to know where the badges are. They are ment as a reward for those willing to explore and search. The problem is, some people want the rewards without doing the actual work, and thus refer to cheat sheets like Badge Lists.

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Well, that goes against everything that I would expect a tutorial to be. I would expect a tutorial to provide you with information about the game and what to expect in it. I'm all for exploring and searching for badges, but putting them in a tutorial, where you should be learning about the game goes against the whole concept of a "Tutorial."

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Except that the badges are intended as "easter eggs" in the tutorial. Your not SUPPOSED to know about them.


 

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The devs doing something because the customers want it is *not* a valid reason to do something.

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A restaurant that had such an attitude would not stay in business long. Making customers happy is the first, last and always the most important part of any business model.

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However, sometimes you have to do things the customers may not like in order to provide better service or to attract new customers. What good are the "loyal customers" if your not making enough money to keep your buisness running? Sometimes as a buisness, you HAVE to say no, even if the customer may not like it.

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Now you see people, it IS possible to disagree with someone on these forums without being disagreeable! It is even possible to make a point without personally insulting hundreds of people you don’t even know! Imagine that!

Your point is valid, in general, LiquidX. However, since we’re talking about Isolator, you have to ask yourself if it applies to this topic.

Nerfs to regen (as just a single example) would fall into the category of “do(ing) things the customers may not like in order to provide better service or to attract new customers.” Prior to the nerfs,my teaming with regen scrappers was like watching someone play in God Mode. So while those who ran regen scrappers were unhappy, the game as a whole was better off.

But allowing pre-i2 characters to obtain Isolator just doesn’t fall into that category. It would not have any negative effect on new players. The only people who could possibly be bothered by this are a handful who apparently take a lot of glee in saying crap like, “HA HA I have it and you don’t!” or “Quit whining!” (Both of the preceding being actual quotes from certain members of the anti-Isolator crowd in this thread.)

So giving it out would make many long-time loyal customers happy, while not causing any harm at all to new customers.

Sigh.

Soooooo nice to be speaking with a reasonable adult once again!


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You will never get Beef-Cake, Mna_Grok, you and I to agree on this issue. We are not going to convience each other. And that is expdentionally more accurate for the ENTIRE player base on most issues.

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QFT.

The most we can hope for now is to keep discussing this issue civily, but I think that we have started down the slope towards modsmack.


 

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Oh and to clarify. I do not mean on another character created after badges went live. I do not mean deleting and re-creating as this is another form of being a new character. One created after Issue 2. This has been my point over and over again. And this is where we disagree.

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I beg to differ, we do agree. I dont think any toon created after the 1yr anv deserves that badge, nor any toon after the halloween event, nor any toon created post any event. Isolator is only different in that its placement was in the tutorial. So how do you overcome that, simple... create a new toon. No toon post the 1yr anv will ever have that badge, just like no toon created pre-I2 will have isolator.


 

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.


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Well I'm sorry to inform you that you are wrong here. In a business world, the customer is alwaysright whether you personally feel they are or not. By making the customer happy will ensure that this customer will return to your business and spend more money.


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Again I ask... then why hasnt ED been reversed? Sometimes Beef_Cake its best to NOT do what the customer wants. The way businesses REALLY work (yes welcome to reality) is to apease the majority. In this case the majority of the players want new content. Period.

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Because this has to deal witha complete redesign of a game and or company, not a small thing a s acostume piece or a slice of cheese

But I guess you could understand that part of my previous post. So I hope this clears it up for you.


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Oh and to clarify. I do not mean on another character created after badges went live. I do not mean deleting and re-creating as this is another form of being a new character. One created after Issue 2. This has been my point over and over again. And this is where we disagree.

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I beg to differ, we do agree. I dont think any toon created after the 1yr anv deserves that badge, nor any toon after the halloween event, nor any toon created post any event. Isolator is only different in that its placement was in the tutorial. So how do you overcome that, simple... create a new toon. No toon post the 1yr anv will ever have that badge, just like no toon created pre-I2 will have isolator.

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I agree that anything missed is missed. We are talking about a badge put in after the game started and was not obtainable by current characters at the time without rerolling. Notice that they've never done that again. Every badge put in the game since then has been obtainable by everyone. Some were more difficult than others, but were obtainable by the character you were playing.


 

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.


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Well I'm sorry to inform you that you are wrong here. In a business world, the customer is alwaysright whether you personally feel they are or not. By making the customer happy will ensure that this customer will return to your business and spend more money.

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Cherrypicking, I admit, but, if this is the case, how is microsoft still in business? How are nearly any large businesses in business?

Customer (singular) is usually wrong.

Customers (plural) might be right

How about the time I went to Home Depot, and some guy was complaining that he found some pair of pliers on a rack that simply said 99 cents. The manager looked up the actual price, and they were 20 dollars. The customer demanded that he be given it for 99 cents, and the manager, not being an idiot, flat out refused.

Do you really believe the manager made a bad decision?

Customers who think that "the customer is always right" are just trying to sidestep all logic that goes against what they want.

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Completely different scenario here, we are talking about a possible customer looking to commit theft, rather then us asking for a badge we deserve.

Did this customer deserve the pliers? Sure, but does he deserve them for the lower price because he found them in a 99 cent bin? No, why because he may have said they were there to try and get away with a 99 cent deal or some kid placed them there by mistake, as long as the price was on the pliers then the customer was wrong.


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You will never get Beef-Cake, Mna_Grok, you and I to agree on this issue. We are not going to convience each other. And that is expdentionally more accurate for the ENTIRE player base on most issues.

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QFT.

The most we can hope for now is to keep discussing this issue civily, but I think that we have started down the slope towards modsmack.

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Agreed. Some people are 100% against it - some are 100% for it - and neither will change their minds. Now it's all up to the Devs. Your voices were heard! Thanks for the feedback on it.