Issue 7 Press Release on MMORPG.com
By
Aaron123,
Posted on: 2006-01-30 15:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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That was my assumption as well. Granted, it's late, I can't remember where I heard it, but somewhere I thought States or Recluse or somebody said that i7 for CoH would also be i1 for CoV. Combining issues like that might mean one issue would have a little more hero content or villain content, but the first issue after CoV launched would be to get the villains to level 50 and bring the hero graphics up to CoV's levels.
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I'm almost 100% positive the quote said the I6 would actually be the first "combine issue". Meaning I6 was really CoH I6/CoV I1, and so on.
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That was my impression as well, that it would be a combined issue.
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As for why not energy? Simply because there is no energy melee in the scrapper sets.
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So? Is that the best you can do? Try again.. bub. That is the lamest reason I have heard for not giving scrappers fun stuff yet.
If you were a dev explaining why we couldn't have cool new defense sets beyond.. THE ONLY FOUR WE HAVE HAD SINCE RELEASE... you would get your [censored] torn off by the community for such a lame explanation.
Tankers don't have energy arua.. but they have energy melee.
I don't see regen melee ANYWHERE in the game. Better remove regen because there is nothing that matches.
Super strength is often equated with invunerability. I suppose Inv should be removed from scrappers and leave us with THREE defense sets.
Scrappers already have a lot of "fun stuff" and already have the best melee powers in the game. I think you just haven't had your nap!
Scrapper defense powers are fine as is. 
Furthermore, they are 4 of the most diverse secondary powers sets that there are. If you haven't played all 4 to 50, I dont think you should complain. 
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As for why not energy? Simply because there is no energy melee in the scrapper sets.
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So? Is that the best you can do? Try again.. bub. That is the lamest reason I have heard for not giving scrappers fun stuff yet.
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Blame Statesman. He hates giving a powerset without a "logical" primary or secondary to go with it.
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Super strength is often equated with invunerability. I suppose Inv should be removed from scrappers and leave us with THREE defense sets.
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Heh... you kinda had three defense sets up until they finally made DA playable... two if you want to argue SR. 
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Scrappers already have a lot of "fun stuff" and already have the best melee powers in the game. I think you just haven't had your nap!
Scrapper defense powers are fine as is.
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Scrappers already have a lot of "fun stuff" and already have the best melee powers in the game. I think you just haven't had your nap!
Scrapper defense powers are fine as is.
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Whoa! Open handed instead of the frying pan! That's serious!!
If you haven't played all 4 to lvl 50 then you shouldn't complain. 
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If you haven't played all 4 to lvl 50 then you shouldn't complain.
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I am killing you with my mind right now.
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Gee, why stop there? Why not just say, you can't say anything about the game so ever including bugs until you've gotten every power combination to level 50.
Yeah...same logic... 
I'm just copying and pasting what I put in another thread....
Why do their need to be so many unique sets? I'm sorry for probably every hero you can think of a villain with similar if not the same powers. Brutes should have Axe and Mace. I wouldn't give them Broadsword but I would give tanks and brutes Claidhmore, or something similar to it. I just imagine brutes and tanks with something bigger than a broadsword. Tanks should have definetly received Electric Armor and Electric Melee. Scrappers should get Ninjitsu.
I don't see how come Issue 7 couldn't have looked like this.
New Powersets
Electric Melee, Electric Armor, Energy Aura (Tankers)
Electric Melee, Electric Armor, War Mace, Battle Axe (Brutes)
Ninjitsu (Scrappers)
Dark Melee, Dark Armor (Stalkers)
Thugs (Masterminds)
Sure some of the sets aren't completely new but they are new to the ATs, and it would make a lot of people happy (you can't please everyone). A MA/SR scrapper would play a lot differently than a MA/SR stalker. Same goes for a Ninja Blade/Ninjitsu stalker to a Katana/Ninjitsu scrapper.
This issue is a disappointment to me though because CoH pretty much got nothing, and even less if you don't already on CoV. I expected CoH to get little but I thought they may pass around some of the sets atleast.
I wanted illusion for dominators 
CRY HAVOC AND LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR!
ooo mayhem missions. w00t!
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As for why not energy? Simply because there is no energy melee in the scrapper sets.
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So? Is that the best you can do? Try again.. bub. That is the lamest reason I have heard for not giving scrappers fun stuff yet.
If you were a dev explaining why we couldn't have cool new defense sets beyond.. THE ONLY FOUR WE HAVE HAD SINCE RELEASE... you would get your [censored] torn off by the community for such a lame explanation.
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I didnt say "NO DONT GIVE ANY ARMORS TO SCRAPPERS THEY THE SUXXXOOR"
In my full post i noted how they should be getting Ninjitsu. The point is, scrappers are overal a more physical experience than an elemental one. Just as corruptors other than AR are mainly meant to be elemental too.
Its basicaly the same idea why i would never see a tanker or a brute with a katana.
Now take those claws off my neck since i am not saying scrappers shouldnot get more armors, im just saying i doubt highly the devs will ever give them energy.
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Tankers don't have energy arua.. but they have energy melee.
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And thats wrong, they NEED the aura precicely because of this. Back in the day where there was no energy aura even concidered you would be able to argue it fit allright with invuln, but i never bought that myself. Now there actually exists an energy aura and tankers dont have it!
Off course, energy aura needs some reworking. I was number crunching a bit yesternight and if they just buffed it with the standard tanker 100%/scrapper 75% ideal, energy would be just as bad as Fire Armor.
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I don't see regen melee ANYWHERE in the game. Better remove regen because there is nothing that matches.
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BUT regen is a physical thing, its basicaly your body healing up, its all phisical, no elemental stuff involved there.
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Super strength is often equated with invunerability.
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Yes it fits, it also fits perfectly with Warmace and Axe
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I suppose Inv should be removed from scrappers and leave us with THREE defense sets.
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Invuln goes in hand with any weapon as it also simulates having up plate armor or body armor or so on.
Something does not has to be exactly CALLED the same to fit with a primary it just should have a synergy with something else in the set.
Personally I'm glad that we'll have a Level 50 PvP zone. The reason: because I'm sick of only having one mission left on my Tanker. I've exhausted all but one of my contacts and the only mission on him left is Dreck.
The new PvP zone will give my hero something to do now other than Dreck, Dreck and more Dreck. We'll have a little bit of a variety with the several types of missions offered and something to help Level 40+ heroes out. It will also be interesting to see the actual zone change based on who's winning the war.
Better remove regen because there is nothing that matches.
Claws? (wolverine)
Spines? (I'm frickin sprouting and retracting bony protrusions!)
These are the logical matches (in Statesman's mind)
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Sorry Bub,
You're not holding my attention or my dollars long enough for me to experience it.
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It's customary to give away your inf and salvege before you go.
Can I have your stuff?
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Done and Done. Hook up with me on Victory before Feb 13.
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scrappers are teh suxxor becus they do not get any new sets and i dunno about u but i am SICK and TIRED of all their current sets. I PLAYED EM ALL and am now bored.
Fortunately I have CoV and so get plenty of more content. But what about those who didn't buy it? or worse, don't like it? They're just screwed, it seems.
[censored].
Dawnslayer on Virtue.
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scrappers are teh suxxor becus they do not get any new sets and i dunno about u but i am SICK and TIRED of all their current sets. I PLAYED EM ALL and am now bored.
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The way I see it is:
They've come up with new electric sets. They are unsafe. They need a group of people to test them on. People who like to take silly risks. People who like to SMASH.
Once the tests are complete, the heroes will get them too...
Sorry but I have to call shenanigans. I cant help but feel a bit disapointed (nad a little cheated) that a game that I have loved and been loyal too since beta is getting pushed to the side because of the new kid. Does CoV need attention? Yes. CoH needs love too, and giving CoH the left over crumbs makes me feel that CoH is less important it the "devs".
Will I cancle my account over this? Hell no! I enjoy being a hero to much to leave but just remeber there are many out there that either don't own or don't like CoV. We may be in the minority but we are still out there, and we got the brush off this issue and it hurt us (or at least me).
Oh and on a side note if Issue 8 is a hero heavy update be ready for the same kind of reaction from the villans that you are getting from the heroes this issue.
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scrappers are teh suxxor becus they do not get any new sets and i dunno about u but i am SICK and TIRED of all their current sets. I PLAYED EM ALL and am now bored.
Fortunately I have CoV and so get plenty of more content. But what about those who didn't buy it? or worse, don't like it? They're just screwed, it seems.
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I guess several of you cant tell I've been a bit facetious. 
Sure it would be great to see more power sets, especially for those that haven't changed since the game came out.
But seriously, if that doesn't happen and your are bored with your current AT, rather than throw a hissy fit and get your twine all tangled up, why not try something different that does exist.
And for those who didn't get CoV and/or dont like it, you're right for now Archon. Eventually they will get more content and features in CoH but for now CoV is getting it.
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Oh and on a side note if Issue 8 is a hero heavy update be ready for the same kind of reaction from the villans that you are getting from the heroes this issue.
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Well the thing is we've really had not content updates since August 05.
PvP is not content, more skirts and shoulder animals are not content, ED was not content.
I thought about this hard as I read through the posts since my last post and I realized something:
They probably are sitting there thinking "Hmmm we have the level spread pretty much covered with PvP, now we can take our time because anyone who gets bored or makes it through the content we have now will either go from CoH to CoV (or vice versa) or just PvP all the time in the appropriate areas...I believe they expect PvP to keep us occupied between updates.
For people with 50s there isn't any new content since ummm....issue 2? Once you hit 40 you're rehashing everything. Since then the only thing we've had to do with our high level characters each issue is respecs, badge hunting, and most recently PvP.
Since we can't flashback we don't get to experience the hollows or Striga or Croatoa. Yeah we can RSk but thats not the same as having the contacts yourself and being able to run missions whenever you want. I mean we got one TF in striga and one in croatoa, I don't count Hess in striga as content open to 50s because we need to actually unlock him and be within a certain level range to do so.
Yeah we've got PvP zones but missions in those zones have been sealed off from 45+ people (til RV goes live).
Honestly the best thing they could do for this game is bring Flashback in. They'd attract old players that left because then they could use their old characters that would normally be too high, to experience the wealth of content they've added since launch. It would refresh old fellas like myself as well because I could go back and do missions I never got to do. Being a support class I grouped alot after and so outleveled several contacts and badge missions before ever getting into their storys. This would also solve the "I was here long before badges and feel punished for being faithful because ya won't let me get Isolator" crowd.
oh and it'd also end the need to bribe lowbies a couple mill influence to get older badge missions...
If they said they'd dedicate themselves to getting this in Issue 8 and doin it well I'd be completely satisfied and content to sit on my thumbs in regards to CoH play til July if it took til then...
And maybe Trenchcoats...
I think the current problem is broken into percentages: 25% Anger at having to wait 4 months for any content. 25% Anger that it was all CoV and no CoH (graphical updates, costume parts aren't content and more than likely they'll make this game totally unplayable on ATI with their graphics update) 25% Anger that we will have yo wait, total, nearly a year for new CoH content after being given content every 1-3 months up to CoV launching. 25% Anger that we have no idea what they're working on for CoH and they never even give us teaser images until about a week or three before it hits test and so we have no idea why we should bother to wait on new CoH content if it won't come for 4 months and if we don't know what's comin.
Great post. I still think they did right to get the 40-50 CoV update with all it's new missions first. I hope you are wrong about them thinking we will PvP in between the updates.
More details about what they are working on would be good.
And maybe Trenchcoats...
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Oh and on a side note if Issue 8 is a hero heavy update be ready for the same kind of reaction from the villans that you are getting from the heroes this issue.
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Well the thing is we've really had not content updates since August 05.
PvP is not content, more skirts and shoulder animals are not content, ED was not content.
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The fact that you don't like the PvP zones does not relegate them to "not content".
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Since we can't flashback we don't get to experience the hollows or Striga or Croatoa. Yeah we can RSk but thats not the same as having the contacts yourself and being able to run missions whenever you want. I mean we got one TF in striga and one in croatoa, I don't count Hess in striga as content open to 50s because we need to actually unlock him and be within a certain level range to do so.
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*cough*makeanewhero*cough*
So... any word on what supergroup banners are going to be? Or empowerment stations? And base color tinting?
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I guess my biggest complaint about comlainers is that they usually sound like ranters (ie: Im gonna cancel my account, Jack you're a tard, etc.).
Your post, however, is well-worded and concise, and expresses in civilized terms why some people are upset about I7 (although I generally sneer at the words "paying customer" because of the afformentioned reason (usually leads into a rant)).
Kudos to you THUDD, and well spoken. Although it is understandable that I7 is mostly villain-based relase, it would be nice to know when hero-related items will be introduced for the CoH-only non-PvP crowd.
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Thanks for the kind words but I do have to admit for quite a while I was a ranter/complainer, then I threw myself an intervention and got over it.