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you lost me.
you said 'imagine if CM' and then I was agreeing saying 'imagine if AP!' and now you're saying you didn't take the power and defenders need to heal self?
I'm confused.
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If CM worked on me is what I first said, then you said I think, what if Absorb Pain was a self heal? Which is of no use to me, since I don't have it, and if it was a self heal it would take your health, then heal yourself, then you wouldnt be able to heal again for 40 seconds? 
I think we confused eachother.
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I was just thinking self-Absorb Pain would be a great way to get all the healing badges in a couple hours!
IMO the only real problem is that now Buffing is much better than debuffing on large teams because when facing larger mobs buffs will be 100% reliable whereas debuffs will have lots of gaps. Personally having a 50 of both a buff and debuff defender I have come to the conclusion they are at equal efficiency and effectiveness. I see no reason to bring buffers over debuffers.
Apparently death follows me around like a lost puppy looking for it's mother.
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ok right, but then I thought absorb pain didn't take away as much as it gave. So it would be a gain, right?
Woot for confusion!
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IMO the only real problem is that now Buffing is much better than debuffing on large teams because when facing larger mobs buffs will be 100% reliable whereas debuffs will have lots of gaps. Personally having a 50 of both a buff and debuff defender I have come to the conclusion they are at equal efficiency and effectiveness. I see no reason to bring buffers over debuffers.
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Is FF supposed to be a buff set? 5 to 3 mob-affecting powers v. buffs.
And dark has an aura, a rez, and a heal ... or roughly as many buffs as FF.
I'm just sayin' 
If you let defenders buff themselves the following things will happen.
Empath will hardly ever be held at all.
Kin just becomes insane because they would have status protection, recharge and endurence recovery in speed boost.
Rad doesn't change at all because they can self buff.
Storm can finally heal itself which would be a good thing.
Dark doesn't change.
FF becomes the god-mode set. Add Pff, and your buffs and you have an untouchable defender.
Now take all those changes I listed above and look at the powers that are secondaries to controllers and you will see why defenders will never ever ever will be alowed to self buff.
If you think "Well the Dev's could fix it in coding where controllers couldn't self buff" you're wrong. Look at invincablity between scraps and tankers. The dev's could have fixed scrapper invincablity and made it unique a long time ago but they are lazy when it comes to coding. Really how long would it have taken to fix scrappers secodary.
All in all defenders you will never be able to buff yourself unless you're RAd.
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Because of all the Archetypes, we're happiest with them [Defenders]. There are certainly issues with individual sets and powers - and those we're always looking at. Defenders, however, don't have any overarching problems.
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And remember, that was posted by Statesman himself in THIS very forum on June 13th, LESS than two months ago.
Therefore, any nerfs to Defenders, even Dark/Dark Defenders or Force Field Defenders, must be a figment of the player's imagination.
After all, Defenders don't have any overarching problems, he's happiest with us...
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ok right, but then I thought absorb pain didn't take away as much as it gave. So it would be a gain, right?
Woot for confusion!
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Actually, since you would be under the debuff of AP, you wouldn't receive the heal at all, and it would still take the HP away from you.
I'll second the wish for self CM, though.
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Because of all the Archetypes, we're happiest with them [Defenders]. There are certainly issues with individual sets and powers - and those we're always looking at. Defenders, however, don't have any overarching problems.
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And remember, that was posted by Statesman himself in THIS very forum on June 13th, LESS than two months ago.
Therefore, any nerfs to Defenders, even Dark/Dark Defenders or Force Field Defenders, must be a figment of the player's imagination.
After all, Defenders don't have any overarching problems, he's happiest with us...
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I must say I'm becoming increasingly frustrated - and disappointed - with the lack of developers comments on the Dev's Response threads. What's the point of having them if no Dev comments on them in 3 weeks? Especially in light of Statesman's comments above.
But I'm a little sensitive on I5 - my 2 highest chars are dark defs.
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I must say I'm becoming increasingly frustrated - and disappointed - with the lack of developers comments on the Dev's Response threads. What's the point of having them if no Dev comments on them in 3 weeks? Especially in light of Statesman's comments above.
But I'm a little sensitive on I5 - my 2 highest chars are dark defs.
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Heck. The main toons I was playing before RL took me away from the game for a while are listed in my sig. Most will require siginificant-to-drastic respecs and significant playstyle changes if I ever feel motivated to return.
So yeah... I too feel a tad unenthusiastic about it all.
I haven't changed anything in my character (Emp/Psi) since the game started... resulting in changes that are a mixed bag, but feels like more improvements than reductions. Still have all my respecs. So the "perfect build" is ever-changing. If you wait long enough, maybe it'll come back to whatever random powers are chosen anyway?
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But I'm a little sensitive on I5 - my 2 highest chars are dark defs.
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Cha! Check my sig, I've got the hat trick - Invul Tanker, Regen Scrapper and Dark/Dark Defender.
Thank God I've got a Blaster. At least I'll have a toon to play until I6 comes out.
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And remember, that was posted by Statesman himself in THIS very forum on June 13th, LESS than two months ago.
Therefore, any nerfs to Defenders, even Dark/Dark Defenders or Force Field Defenders, must be a figment of the player's imagination.
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You don't understand. They weren't happy with Blasters. So they nerfed everyone else, including the villains, to make Blasters better.
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Controllers get Mez protection [Psionic Epic/ Indominotable Will (SP?)] so why not defenders? if a Mind Controll Force Field Controller can get the maximum defense against BOTH Psionic Damage, and Status Effects, why not a Force Field/ Psychic Blast Defender? i never thought that was fairly balanced even before the i5 hooplah began. With Dispersion Bubble now including psionic defense, Mind over Body reducing Psionic Damage, and Indom Will granting even more psionic defense as well as status protection, my Freedom clone (Mind/FF Cont) is a much worth Defender than my Pinnacle version (FF/Psi). Defenders don't get an inherent ability, nor do we get Double Damage. man States is ripping me to shreds ... 
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The last couple days have been scrapper time ...
Before that, tankers ...
Before that, blasters ...
Before that, controllers.
It looks like the devs are going AT by AT ... which would mean that, if there's any word on defenders, it'll be next week. Maybe 
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I'm a little worried that making all the other powersets more balanced will make defenders less useful. Because defenders are there to cover the holes the other powersets can't.
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I don't believe that to be necessarily true. Defenders are there to augment the other AT's, either through the judicious use of buffs, or the speedy application of debuffs, or through keeping them alive longer with heals or helping them to defeat the enemy with added damage. They are not simply "hole-fillers".
Wow. Who's the necromancer?
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Wow. Who's the necromancer?
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/badstorm... I mean... bad Badstorm /scold
I think she did it just so she could say "hole-fillers".
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WTF? How has this survived forum clean ups.
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I don't believe that to be necessarily true. Defenders are there to augment the other AT's, either through the judicious use of buffs, or the speedy application of debuffs, or through keeping them alive longer with heals or helping them to defeat the enemy with added damage. They are not simply "hole-fillers".
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I bow to your superior thread necro powers.
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WTF? How has this survived forum clean ups.
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rednames preserve threads.
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I don't believe that to be necessarily true. Defenders are there to augment the other AT's, either through the judicious use of buffs, or the speedy application of debuffs, or through keeping them alive longer with heals or helping them to defeat the enemy with added damage. They are not simply "hole-fillers".
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I bow to your superior thread necro powers.
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TheFrog taught me everything I know.
...and yes, the opportunity to use the phrase "hole-filler" without the risk of being modsmacked was too hard to pass up!
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...and yes, the opportunity to use the phrase "hole-filler" without the risk of being modsmacked was too hard to pass up!
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I imagine hole-fillers are often too hard to pass up, Badstorm.
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Especially when the author of the hole-filling thread is Statesman himself.
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I think we confused eachother.
..wha...?
you lost me.
you said 'imagine if CM' and then I was agreeing saying 'imagine if AP!' and now you're saying you didn't take the power and defenders need to heal self?
I'm confused.
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If CM worked on me is what I first said, then you said I think, what if Absorb Pain was a self heal? Which is of no use to me, since I don't have it, and if it was a self heal it would take your health, then heal yourself, then you wouldnt be able to heal again for 40 seconds?
Cheers!