Statesman some of us do not care about PvP

I have tried it and hated it.

I will never be playing it again. But you continue to Nerf PvE powers that have been established and in the game for nearly a YEAR for your glorious PvP balance.

I am picking up Guild Wars tomorrow and if it is remotely playable I for one am gone.

Will Crey Power tanks with SS get acc nerfed? How about all of the villains that Fly and attack with no acc penalty - Freaks, Sky raiders and the list goes on.

We are nerfed at every turn and yet our foes have OUR POWERS and NOT OUR RULES.

Sorry, I have defended this for the last time. I tried to be a voice of reason in the blaster forums to see 2 days later a nerf to at least 75% of the blasters play styles.

You do realize this means EVERYONE will have 6 slot Hover or 6 slot Combat Jump until you nerf them as well?

i dont think you realize that an MMO is constantly changing, and fixes or nerfs are going to be here with every issue till the end of time... i guarantee you that... its inevitable. When you go to Guild Wars, you will experience the same thing, constant nerfs and fixes... its the name of the genre.

As for enemies not getting a similair buff, would you like to give enemies enhancement slots to? to follor OUR RULES, sure, nerf the enemies to follow our rules, but then they get SOs and watch how you feel about that. Before you scream about following the same rules, think about the consequences.

That is all, continue on w/ the rest of your lives

I agree with the OP after reading the training room changes. I have many friends going to guild wars too. This is just too many changes. Acc debuff for my travel powers? How about taking that debuff out of fly!? That would make more sense. geezus. I need to sleep on this annoyment.

Or if they just made Fly faster, it would balance the three of them.

Nope, nope, nope, lets just break 2 more travel powers.

Hate to say it but if it goes live, I'm pretty finished. My blaster won't be able to enter and escape combat w/o being shot at all the time.

Wait a minute...Arent the travel powers being changed in PvP only? Not PvE???

I will discuss this a try to stay reasonable.

SS+Stealth was over powered? How many people have been calling to nerf blasters because they are PL'ing people by herding?

Blasters are the worst affected by this change and if you do not have a respec left you have a broken and useless character. So I hear people say use binds to drop and restart it?

Excuse me? I use it for a YEAR and it is not changed until PvP rolls along. I will not be doing PvP but they nerf some of my powers anyway.

The argument it was overpowered will hold water when Blasters can herd and kill as Tanks or scrappers do. Look at the reality of this sick situation.

The rules all say Blasters are king of damage. Scrappers cap at 500% and blasters at 400%.

Statesman said Tanks will do 75% of Scrapper damage and Scrappers will do 75% of a tanks defense.

75% of a Scrappers damage is 375%. So a Tank with all of his armor caps out 25% below a blaster with NO defense to ANYTHING. No mez protection, no smashing lethal, NOTHING.

Step back and see why this change is suicide for most blasters. Now you can't get in or out safely. You have to shut it off to attack.


I know people have not considered this. They say Tanks and Scrappers are more at risk and I say BULL. Tanks almost NEVER get 1 or 2 shotted by anything but an AV. Yet they have almost the same damage as a Blaster. Think about it.

I love blasters and that was my first character. But now they are lessening them more than any other group.

I just looked.. They nerfed SS and SJ

*&%$# this freakin' arena! Damn PvP!! Damn it all!

I knew this PvP business was going to be the worst thing for CoH yet. Don't add content, don't fix ongoing problems, keep nerfing.

So Guild Wars is out tomorrow?

it doesnt mean the SS/SJ was brought on by pvp. It just happened at the same time... i dont see how you can prove their related...

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it doesnt mean the SS/SJ was brought on by pvp. It just happened at the same time... i dont see how you can prove their related...

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Jousting

A nasty round of nerfs. I understand MoG and Elude. Sure, they nerfed them so that they are MUCH crappier and you can't even IMAGINE using them perma because their timers are so large, but it was gonna happen.

SS/SJ nerfs, though? Why not just remove the -acc penalty from fly, which we've been asking for since, oh i don't know, the game came out? Did I mention that I don't have a single superspeed character and I STILL think they shouldn't have been nerfed?


I thought PvP wasn't going to affect the PvE game, guys. Or you'd try to keep it to a minimum rather than blatantly throwing [censored] at us, like this...

And the dev stance on free respec for Issue 4 doesn't help either.

No fanfare, and I don't want anyone to flip out on me, but I can freely say, (since I doubt it will happen.) That if the changes roll out as-is, I'm cancelling my billing.

It seems that the dev's are taking this game in a very different direction than it is now, and that direction looks genuinely un-fun. I'll wait and see, but my hopes aren't high.


Oh, and non-perma light-form just kinda trashes All-human Peacebringers. Kinda nasty. And it seems that the SS/SJ nerfs were done to prevent JOUSTING. Should be PvP only, but it rolled over... to PvE as well... thanks dev's... bunch of liars.

I don't want to get off-topic, but isn't Guild Wars more of the usual magic, dragons, and wizards?

Not that I've begun seeking alternatives.

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Yeah..

What is guildwars anyway? Anyone have a helpfull link?

http://pc.ign.com/objects/552/552148.html

It's "non-traditional" or something.

Main Site
Ever-helpful Vault.
Entertaining Warcry

I'll never play it but it might be entertaining.
And on a side-note, my faith in the CoH dev's has just been buried. Hopefully they will impress me soon, but with a track record like theirs, (And I've been around long enough to know it.) I'm not holding my breath.

Well to make it clear though some adjustments may spill out into PvE or to more accurately say spill into PvP. Those adjustements that effect PvE would be occuring whether PvP was here or not. Why do you feel it is balanced or fair for superspeed to not have a accuracy debuff yet flight does.

In fact if they were to make it truly balanced and fair flight would get about a 25% speed increase as well.

I wonder what you would blame on the changes if the arena wasn't here, your assumption that the PvP is effecting the PvE game is just plain stupid. There are many PvP changes that are not in PvE because specifically the balance of PvP is a different scale then the PvE game. Go ahead play guild wars have fun, personally I have looked at the previews to guild wars and give it about a 2 week to maybe a month of enjoyable game play then it's shine will dull...IMO

GW? Ah, just a cheap shot in a moment of anger. I may try it.

Now i'm waiting for the flow of "its only on test" and "You can't prove these nerfs are related to PvP".

Man! Go live with the damn arena already, the longer its on test, the more nerfs you release.


*Ahem* Calmer now.

This sucks.

Yeah, but I've seen GW mentioned a lot lately, and I can't figure out what people find so great about it. That is, besides no monthly fees.

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Yeah, but I've seen GW mentioned a lot lately, and I can't figure out what people find so great about it. That is, besides no monthly fees.

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Actually, the no monthly fees thing caught my eye, lol. But I was also interested in it because it looked like a fantasy MMO that possibly wouldn't be horribly boring and little fun. However, I think CoH along with MxO are better MMOs for me right now.

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GW? Ah, just a cheap shot in a moment of anger. I may try it.

Now i'm waiting for the flow of "its only on test" and "You can't prove these nerfs are related to PvP".

Man! Go live with the damn arena already, the longer its on test, the more nerfs you release.


*Ahem* Calmer now.

This sucks.

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But see, they caught their mistake with the scrapper changes; they changed back the boss toughness (after it hit live, admitedly). Frankly, these devs do have a good track record of abandoning bad ideas...after they've been tested. I'm not gonna do the ol' it is only on the test server thing, but there is a reason I don't play on it. I'd rather just deal with the changes that make it into the game, not the ones they are still fiddling with.

I saw much the same reaction around when they messed with INV for tankers and, after all of the anger on test, they ended up making them better (in most eyes). Not saying the same will happen here, but I do tend towards the "wait for live" mantra.

Thankfully, the ACC debuff will not affect me since I always shut SJ off before I get into a fight anyways.

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What is guildwars anyway? Anyone have a helpfull link?

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Guild Wars is sort of like Diablo 2 the MMO. Only without a monthly fee, and a bit more strategy in setting up your skills.

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Thankfully, the ACC debuff will not affect me since I always shut SJ off before I get into a fight anyways.

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Really... SJ and SS are just end hogs in combat... it seems like the only thing the nerfs will do in PvE is limit alpha strikes.

Well then, there is that annoy flying opponent you can't hit without hover...

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Thankfully, the ACC debuff will not affect me since I always shut SJ off before I get into a fight anyways.

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Really... SJ and SS are just end hogs in combat... it seems like the only thing the nerfs will do in PvE is limit alpha strikes.

Well then, there is that annoy flying opponent you can't hit without hover...

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Exactly. Theres no real point in having SS or SJ on in combat, at least none that *I* can tell.

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Learn New Tactics

If the changing of a single power that your character has makes him "unplayable" then he/she was a flawed build to begin with.

Every time a power has been changed like this and the boards are with boards are filled with people shouting about the game being ruined (Caltrops, Smoke Grenade are two that come to mind), it's usually taken me about 30 minutes to adjust my playstyle and move on.

Just as in evolution, those that can adapt will thrive. Those that cannot will whine, cancel accounts and die.

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If the changing of a single power that your character has makes him "unplayable" then he/she was a flawed build to begin with.

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You know that's not true... what if they actually made Integration and Instant Healing mutually exclusive like they initially were going to?