"The Surviving Eight"
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Posted on: 2005-04-24 18:42 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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That has also changed. The Scarab is now said to have been created by Nabu (Dr. Fate) during his time in ancient Egypt. This is apparently to tie in with the rewriting of the origin because neither the "pure energy alien parasite thing" doesn't fit into a mystic Scarab origin story any better than the "Vitamin 2-X pill thing" did.
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[censored]? Was this in JSA? I gotta stop spead-reading.
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It was revealed in Time Masters #6. In the chronology, 1000 years after the Lord of Order Nabu The Wise descends to Earth, he & a traveler from the 20th Century create the Scarab in an attempt to use it to break the power of the Pharoah Khafre.
The stories & dates, as usual, do NOT fit however, as Khafre is supposed to be the son of Khufu, who is in actuality the immortal Vandal Savage. Either the dates are 70 years off, or Vandal continued as ruler by impersonating his own son, which wouldn't be too implausible for an immortal...
BUT, this brings the events of Blue Beetle 17-18 into question. There could not have been an "evil alien" inside the Scarab if the Nabu story is true, so who knows? It has been insinuated that Nabu made the whole "sentient Scarab" thing up as misdirection; it has also been noted by fans that the writers are apparently using this characterization of Nabu as a deceiver/prankster to explain (or rather fail to explain) errors & continuity glitches in the collective mythos of anything concerning Dr Fate.
It's all reaaaally confusing. It's what I hate about DC, they just can't leave the past alone. Marvel doesn't tinker with the past, they just straight tell you it was all a lie in the first place & expect you to believe it...
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It was revealed in Time Masters #6. In the chronology, 1000 years after the Lord of Order Nabu The Wise descends to Earth, he & a traveler from the 20th Century create the Scarab in an attempt to use it to break the power of the Pharoah Khafre.
The stories & dates, as usual, do NOT fit however, as Khafre is supposed to be the son of Khufu, who is in actuality the immortal Vandal Savage. Either the dates are 70 years off, or Vandal continued as ruler by impersonating his own son, which wouldn't be too implausible for an immortal...
BUT, this brings the events of Blue Beetle 17-18 into question. There could not have been an "evil alien" inside the Scarab if the Nabu story is true, so who knows? It has been insinuated that Nabu made the whole "sentient Scarab" thing up as misdirection; it has also been noted by fans that the writers are apparently using this characterization of Nabu as a deceiver/prankster to explain (or rather fail to explain) errors & continuity glitches in the collective mythos of anything concerning Dr Fate.
It's all reaaaally confusing. It's what I hate about DC, they just can't leave the past alone. Marvel doesn't tinker with the past, they just straight tell you it was all a lie in the first place & expect you to believe it...
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Marry me.
So does Shadowhunter have a hero version of him like all the other Praetorian archvillains or did I miss that somewhere?
Woodsman. You learn all about him during Numina's task force and can find him on the southermost rock of Eden, near the gate to The Hive. He gives you a trial in the Eden Spire, the tallest rock formation in Woodvale.
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So does Shadowhunter have a hero version of him like all the other Praetorian archvillains or did I miss that somewhere?
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His hero version is the contact for the Eden Spire trail, the Woodsman.
Edit: Damnit Jack, you beat me to it.
Time travel, brother.
did manticore state what the power sets were for the rest of the surviving 8? i can't seem to locate it. thanks
Yo, Manticore... Dude...
As one of your buddies (I have the badge to prove that) I'd like to thank you a lot for the clarifications, and an agonizing wait till I can make more new Defenders. But I have one thing to say, as friends amongst eachother...
Red text and blue background... My eyes are melting! OUCH!
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As the game grows I will continue to try and clarify things that have been contradictory or confusing.
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Yes, like how many Back Alley Brawlers there are. See pic (if it'll show)
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[color=red]Greetings,
I wanted to take the chance to correct a few things that have changed since this article came out over a year ago. As the game grows I will continue to try and clarify things that have been contradictory or confusing.
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Positron
Zone: Steel Canyon
Secret Identity: Dr. Raymond Keyes
Origin: Science
Archetype: Blaster
Primary Powers: Energy Blast, Energy Manipulation
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[color=red]Positron's Power Sets are actually: Radiation Emission, Radiation Blast and obviously that makes him a Defender.
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Bastion
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[color=red]Bastion has been upgraded recently and is now called Citadel.
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Manticore
Zone: Brickstown
Secret Identity: Justin Sinclair
Origin: Natural
Archetype: Blaster
Primary Powers: Bow, Gadgets
Background: Justin Sinclair was raised in a huge mansion in the outskirts of Paragon City by his English nanny, Virginia Bowman. The sole beneficiary of a huge trust fund, Manticore received training in all manner of mental and physical pursuits, but excelled in archery. When he turned 18, Miss Bowman revealed to him his true heritage. Manticore's father had once been a costumed vigilante in England, until he and his wife died at the hands of a German villain called Doppelganger. Deeply affected by the story, Manticore took up his father's mantle and vowed to bring the 5th Column down.
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[color=red]Due to the upcoming Power Sets Manticore is actually a Trick Arrow, Archery Defender. Also, his arch-enemy is called Protean, not Doppleganger.
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Sister Psyche
Zone: Independence Port
Secret Identity: Shalice Tilman
Origin: Mutant
Archetype: Controller
Primary Powers: Mind Control, Empathy
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[color=red]Sister Psyche is an interesting case due to the fact that she has switched bodies. Baseline she is a Mind Control, Force Field Controller.
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Ms. Liberty
Zone: Atlas Park
Secret Identity: Jessica Duncan
Origin: Natural
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary Powers: Martial Arts, Invulnerability
Background: Jessica is the granddaughter of Miss Liberty from the Golden Age. She has taken up the mantle to fight for freedom, in this specific case to free Paragon City from its infestation of villains. She has heightened strength and endurance as well as the power of the Liberty Belt, which was passed on to her by her grandmother.
Early in her career Ms. Liberty worked extensively with Statesman, but recently seems to be spending more time working on making certain that new heroes in Paragon City have the information they need, as well as working on the Freedom Corps. It is clear that she is determined to do her energetic best to make the Freedom Corps the premiere hero assistance group in Paragon City someday.
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[color=red]Ms. Liberty is the granddaughter of Maiden Justice and the daughter of Miss Liberty. Her first name is Megan, not Jessica. More information about her connection to Statesman will also be found in The Web of Arachnos.
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Minx
Zone: Skyway City
Secret Identity: Katherine Steffan
Origin: Science
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary Powers: Claws, Super Reflexes
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[color=red]Minx's Secondary set is actually Regeneration.
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Luminary
Zone: Talos Island
Secret Identity: None
Origin: Technology
Archetype: Defender
Primary Powers: Radiation Emission, Radiation Blast
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[color=red]Luminary is actually a Energy Blast, Energy Manipulation Blaster.
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Swan
Zone: Brickstown
Secret Identity: Lena Elliot
Origin: Magic
Archetype: Defender
Primary Powers: Force Field, Psychic Blast
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[color=red]Swan's Primary set is actually Kinetics.
I hope this helps.
Cheers.
~M
[/ QUOTE ] Um just a quick question. I noticed you didn't say anything correcting Miss Libertys powers. It says she is a martial arts scrapper but she carreys a sword on her belt, shouldn't she be a Katana Scrapper?
One more question, is Back Alley Brawler the only member of Statesman's SG who doesn't have an SK or does he have an SK and if so who?
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Yes, like how many Back Alley Brawlers there are. See pic (if it'll show)
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Heh - I love that picture. For those that don't know, the Brawler on the left is an actual, in-game model. I have my theories about the differences, as noted in this thread .
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It is the same man, Statesman is immortal. Look for more details about his origin, his powers and how he is tied to Lord Recluse this fall in the upcoming novel: The Web of Arachnos.
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And now we know Statesman is immortal 
Dorian Grey anyone?!
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In, "The Portrait of Dorian Grey," the portrait did NOT make him immortal, but hid his misdeeds. You see, when it was written, it was a common belief that you could see the sins someone has done on their face (insert joke here). Try not to get all of your literary information from, "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen." Yes I know this is a two month late post, but I only started reading this thread today.
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It is the same man, Statesman is immortal. Look for more details about his origin, his powers and how he is tied to Lord Recluse this fall in the upcoming novel: The Web of Arachnos.
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And now we know Statesman is immortal Dorian Grey anyone?!
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In, "The Portrait of Dorian Grey," the portrait did NOT make him immortal, but hid his misdeeds. You see, when it was written, it was a common belief that you could see the sins someone has done on their face (insert joke here). Try not to get all of your literary information from, "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen." Yes I know this is a two month late post, but I only started reading this thread today.
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And in the literary work "Frankenstein", the monster was not a groaning idiot with bolts stuck in his neck.
Do you pass a lecture on the original book at everyone who refers to this version?
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Um just a quick question. I noticed you didn't say anything correcting Miss Libertys powers. It says she is a martial arts scrapper but she carreys a sword on her belt, shouldn't she be a Katana Scrapper?
One more question, is Back Alley Brawler the only member of Statesman's SG who doesn't have an SK or does he have an SK and if so who?
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IIRC, Back Alley Brawler's SK is Blue Steel, the King's Row trainer. Not absolutely sure on that one, though.
As for Ms. Liberty, it's explained in the Hero-1 thread that the sword she carries is Hero-1's sword Excalibur, left in her care before he went with Omega Team to the Rikti Homeworld. She doesn't use it, and simply holds in in wait for the next Hero-1. So given that, plus the fact that Manticore didn't correct her info, she is probably still a Natural Martial Arts/Invulnerability Scrapper.
Now, if Manticore could tell us the specs for Numina, the Woodsman, Blue Steel, and Ravenstorm, he'd really make my day. 
Storm Summoning is great because it makes you better than everyone else in the game. - Camma
Knockback is mitigation. It won't be removed just because meleers ***** and moan. - Chaos Creator
Can I call this Necromancy? I can? Good.
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Back Alley Brawler's SK is Blue Steel, the King's Row trainer. Not absolutely sure on that one, though.
[/ QUOTE ] From what I know all the members of Statesman's SG have AV counterparts (Tyrant, Dominatrix, Ect.) and sence Blue Steel has no counterpart he can't be Back Alley Brawler's SK.
I'm thinking that kid from the CoV trailer might be the Brawler's SK but he hasn't been seen in the game yet.
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Back Alley Brawler's SK is Blue Steel, the King's Row trainer. Not absolutely sure on that one, though.
[/ QUOTE ] From what I know all the members of Statesman's SG have AV counterparts (Tyrant, Dominatrix, Ect.) and sence Blue Steel has no counterpart he can't be Back Alley Brawler's SK.
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I still wonder what Woodsman connection is too the Freedom Phalanx. He isn't really mentioned anywheere in relation to the others... anywhere I can find at least...
This is what I heard on the comic forums thread about roughly the same topic, the surviving 8 are the 8 who survived the ritki war, Woodsman was killed just about right after the ritki war by Deverouing Earth Creatures... (so I think he missed the list because it was too soon afterwards)
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Can I call this Necromancy? I can? Good.
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Yeah.. this is why I should stop posting links to old thread and tempting the young to go astray.
Mwaahahaha!
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Back Alley Brawler's SK is Blue Steel, the King's Row trainer. Not absolutely sure on that one, though.
[/ QUOTE ] From what I know all the members of Statesman's SG have AV counterparts (Tyrant, Dominatrix, Ect.) and sence Blue Steel has no counterpart he can't be Back Alley Brawler's SK.
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IIRC Back Alley Brawler isn't in "Statesman's SG", he has his own, The Regulators. More information on this yadda yadda novel blah blah fall.
Hm; I had thought that Blue Steel was BAB's SK given that they're both (or were, in BAB's case) cops, and that BAB is the only one without an SK. EDIT: BAB and Blue Steel were in the Regulators together according to history plaques and backstory, so it's a reasonable assumption that they're Mentor/SK, respectively.
I'm not sure which SG BAB counts for these days; I remember him leading the Regulators from the history badge story and bits of his backstory, but also remember hearing that he'd also been or is part of the Freedom Phalanx. EDIT: Seems BAB eventually left the Regulators for the Freedom Phalanx, after which the Regulators disbanded, leaving Blue Steel without an SG. Add to that that Back Alley Brawler is counted amongst the Surviving Eight, all the rest of whom are the Freedom Phalanx.
As for the Woodsman...wasn't he Numina's mentor in life, before he died and Numina moved up to the Phalanx and became Infernal's mentor? Or am I dreaming that?
Storm Summoning is great because it makes you better than everyone else in the game. - Camma
Knockback is mitigation. It won't be removed just because meleers ***** and moan. - Chaos Creator
According to Manticore, the Freedom Phalanx's Surviving Eight (which is a horribly morose name for a super group ) are Statesman, Positron, Synapese, Sister Psyche, Bastion, Manticore, Numina, and Back Alley Brawler. Woodsman is dead and the Regulators don't exist any more. Miss Liberty isn't in the Freedom Phalanx because she's Statesman's sidekick and leads two groups of her own, the Vindicators (her, Mynx, Valkyrie, Swan, Aurora, Infernal, and Lumina) and the new group that will be responsible for defending Paragon from the threats of the Rogue Isles, Longbow.
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See, heres what I don't understand. How can a super hero "lose" thier super powers?
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They got nerfed just like we will in a few days when we lose our powers. 
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Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
That or white kryptonite.
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Two, why did your arch-nemesis' name change?
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You know exactly why it changed. I promise you that this Protean is a member of the Council. Not that deposed Nazi group that we have been brainwashed to believe never existed in the first place, and who's name we shall never again speak.