"The Surviving Eight"
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13th_Stranger,
Posted on: 2005-04-24 18:42 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
The Surviving Eight (Seven? Six?) are the heroes who survived the Rikti Wars. THese are the heroes who assign task forces. Ive noticed in the manual it says eight, in the comic (#11) it says seven, and someone on the boards once said six. Can someone clarify how many and exactly who the heroes are?
The ones i know are
Positron
Synapse
Numina
Sister Psyche
Bastion/Citadel
Manticore
Statesman (Does he count?)
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The Surviving Eight (Seven? Six?) are the heroes who survived the Rikti Wars. THese are the heroes who assign task forces. Ive noticed in the manual it says eight, in the comic (#11) it says seven, and someone on the boards once said six. Can someone clarify how many and exactly who the heroes are?
The ones i know are
Positron
Synapse
Numina
Sister Psyche
Bastion/Citadel
Manticore
Statesman (Does he count?)
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It's eight. Numina was created by the players in a contest. I think the current dispute is whether Ms. Liberty or the Back Alley Brawler is missing person from that list. Personally, I favor the latter, for a couple reasons. Ms. Liberty is the founder of Freedom Corps (always wondered why she's in Atlas, when her HQ is in Galaxy), and BAB is in the cinematics released to promote the games, implying he has earned Statesman's trust.
I've got a theory about why they're where they are, but that's not the point of this thread.
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The Surviving Eight (Seven? Six?) are the heroes who survived the Rikti Wars. THese are the heroes who assign task forces. Ive noticed in the manual it says eight, in the comic (#11) it says seven, and someone on the boards once said six. Can someone clarify how many and exactly who the heroes are?
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See, that's exactly what I thought, too, but it's become clear that a LOT of heroes survived the Ritki War.
As best I can piece it together:
One possibility is that the he surviving 8 are 8 of the 200 heroes who survived from Alpha team. They are stated as the only 8 who survived but that is incorrect, but they are the most famous of those who survived.
The other possibility is that they are the only 8 who survived from Alpha Team after the late war Rikti guerila attacks. This does not fit completely but neither does the first possibility.
Of the active heroes that were in service at the time, the Surviving Eight were the only real, true heroes who survived.
What makes you think that a lot more survived though? (Not meaning offense, just wondering where you're getting this from.)
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Of the active heroes that were in service at the time, the Surviving Eight were the only real, true heroes who survived.
What makes you think that a lot more survived though? (Not meaning offense, just wondering where you're getting this from.)
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It is my understanding that the Surviving Eight were the heroes singled out by the media.
The others people refer to are, trainers, contacts that have lost their super-powers, and others spoken of in the game.
There was a thread about this a couple of weeks ago that some of the more fanatic (knowledgeable) posters named everyone. Try a search. I think it was only 2 weeks ago.
Well, I'd always thought it was the eight heroes who survived the Rikti War, which would be Miss Liberty, Backalley Brawler, Positron, Synapse, Bastion, Sister Psyche, Manticore, and Statesman.
The disputes are: Does Statesman really count? Should Numina be considered a survivor even though she, technically, died? And, should Miss Liberty be counted among them when she's considered Statesman's (I think is the argument) sidekick? There's also a minor argument over whether or not Bastion should count since he's a robot, but I'm sure he does.
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Of the active heroes that were in service at the time, the Surviving Eight were the only real, true heroes who survived.
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I guess the lazy/cowardly [censored] who sat out the war don't count.
Doesn't the Unity Plague arc have you distribute the antidote to the Surviving 8? Only that doesn't include Statesman. The 8 you visit are; Ms. Liberty, Back Alley Brawler, Positron, Synapse, Bastion, Sister Psyche, Manticore, and Numina. I believe the Surviving Eight are the members of the Freedom Phalanx that survived the Rikti War.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." -- Dinobot
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I believe the Surviving Eight are the members of the Freedom Phalanx that survived the Rikti War.
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Again, Numina didn't survive, and Statesman did. But of course, Statesman isn't in the game, so you can't distribute the Unity Plague cure to him. I think the media concept of the Surviving Eight and the actual Surviving Eight from the game are different, or should be considering the circumstances.
Despite having technically not survived, Numina is definitely a member of the Surviving Eight considering that she was the winning entry of the "Design One of the Surviving Eight" contest. I suspect they aren't counting Statesman because he's counted as being on a level above everyone else, i.e. he is the best of the best.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." -- Dinobot
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Of the active heroes that were in service at the time, the Surviving Eight were the only real, true heroes who survived.
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I guess the lazy/cowardly [censored] who sat out the war don't count.
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Alright, scratch that. Out of the Freedom Phalanx then, that makes the most sense. Heroes from all over the world were involved in fighting the Rikti, some of them survived, some of them didn't. The Freedom Phalanx was the largest hero organization, and based in Paragon City. Paragon City was the focus of the war.
The Surviving Eight were the ones who survived out of that, in some form or another.
I never got why they were called the Surviving 7/8 either. Plenty of heroes survived besides them. The only reason I can guess why they are called that is that they are the only ones to survive from their SG or Paragon City. So in Paragon they have that title, but it doesn't mean they are the only survivers of the entire war.
To quote the backstory from the main page:
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Alpha Team was much larger, consisting of over 1000 heroes from across the globe. They launched a full frontal assault on the Rikti main troop concentrations, drawing as many alien troops into the fray as possible. This was a dangerous ploy, and it proved costly. In the ensuing titanic battle, 800 of 1000 heroes died, along with some 50,000 Rikti soldiers.
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and this guy:
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one hero, the utterly invulnerable Ajax, managed to survive the blast. He had been taken captive by a Rikti stasis ray and rendered unable to follow his teammates into the portal. Now he was the sole surviving witness to their apparent victory.
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The only clue is this:
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The Vanguard and the other great hero organizations of the world scarcely existed anymore. With the exception of Statesman and a few others, all the world's greatest heroes had died in the war.
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So maybe it is in reference to the "greatest" heroes, but that seems like a bit of a stretch (in story terms) that the only 7/8 greatest heroes were all from Paragon and would be given this title. Kind-of demeans the other survivers imo.
And remember, Bastion is not part of the surviving eight... Citadel is =P
But I do believe the Surviving Eight does indeed imply to the world's (at the time) greatest heroes. Sort of like the main justice league members in DC comics. Everyone else is considered "B-Team" status or lower. And what media wants to focus on the B-Team, eh?
I think "Surviving 8" has to do with the freedom Phalanx. They are the 8 FP heroes who survived the Rikti war.
And it makes sense. States is the original hero, really, so his SG has a sense of noteriety. The fact that only 8 of them survived is pretty staggering, and would be noted.
Yeah it's basically the world's greatest heroes, the flagships of Paragon City that survived, who are called the Surviving Eight. I think if you watch the first video you see the Rikti invasion and the aftermath and plenty of heroes shortly afterwards. We're still rebuilding Paragon City so it hasn't been that long.
See, heres what I don't understand. How can a super hero "lose" thier super powers? I can understand if its like a technology hero who lost thier power gaultlets or something, but a mutant or natural, etc? I suppose they had to do something about that otherwise it might be The Surviving 20 or whatever, what with so many heroes that did survive 
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It's eight. Numina was created by the players in a contest.
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See, heres what I don't understand. How can a super hero "lose" thier super powers?
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How can a super hero "lose" thier super powers?
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Think Cabal from Marvel; stricken with an ilness or injury so severe that their super powers are needed just to keep them alive at alevel equal to a normal person. Or some heroes "expend" all their powers and lose them forever. Maybe some heroes were purely temp-power based (without knowing it). Still other heroes may have had their magic amulet or whatever destroyed. Maybe a hero got brain damage that caused them to lose the knowledge that gave them their powers. Maybe the breach of the dimensional barriers caused heroes who got their power from other dimensions to lose contact or something. There are comic book precedents for this type of loss of power, so it isn't completely unreasonable.
The survining eight are the eight remaining members of the Freedom Phalanx. Lots of other heroes survived the war.
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See, heres what I don't understand. How can a super hero "lose" thier super powers?
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There are various examples in the comics of substances (gold kryptonite) or artifacts (ROM's Neutralizer and the weapon that Forge reverse-engineered from it) that can somehow alter an innately-powered hero to temporarily or permanently remove their "super" abilities while leaving them otherwise unharmed. Such items are obviously beyond the purview of the regular game (imagine making it to level 46, being hit by a Sapper, and told "you have lost your powers - game over.")
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Who exactly ARE the surviving eight, and why are they CALLED the surviving eight?