Something funny I noticed..well I think its funny
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Posted on: 2005-02-05 07:46 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I know, Arucard. But I thought it sounded funnier this way. Heck, if I didn't like these forums, do you think I'd have made close to 5000 posts by now?
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean any of that to "1-up" you. I just wanted to get in a good crack at the WoW forums and show Clobbertime that we aren't the only ones whining for nothing. I apologize if it seemed I was trying to counter you or show you up.
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I already knew that, I hung around the EQ forums back when I was playing it. 
I don't know if this has been mentioned..but are you considering what "anime costumes" mean? Yes, in anime there are a lot of school girl uniforms, yukutas, kimonos and other tradtional Japanese clothing..but there's also sub genres in anime such as mecha. Have you ever seen Gundam Wing? Mecha are robots and technical things like that..perhaps that is included?
There's also so many other different types of "anime" costumes..not everything is Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball Z. Take a look at Gundam Wing, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop.. those are more science fiction/modern than traditional Japanese dress.
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I do, however, realize that I do sometimes come off as an arrogant jerk and sometimes people take my sense of humor the wrong way.
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Sometimes?!? 
Just kiddin', glad to see the old LiquidX avatar back.
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My definition of sometimes is 99.9% of the time.
And yeah, I missed it too. John really did a bang up job when he did this for me, and I just haven't found anything comparable. (Note: He isn't actually based on anything, but is something my friend John Colburn did for me)
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I don't know if this has been mentioned..but are you considering what "anime costumes" mean? Yes, in anime there are a lot of school girl uniforms, yukutas, kimonos and other tradtional Japanese clothing..but there's also sub genres in anime such as mecha. Have you ever seen Gundam Wing? Mecha are robots and technical things like that..perhaps that is included?
There's also so many other different types of "anime" costumes..not everything is Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball Z. Take a look at Gundam Wing, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop.. those are more science fiction/modern than traditional Japanese dress.
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Oh I'm aware of this too. But Mecha? I think thats a hopeful thought, but regardless we already have several options that translate to mecha roughly and I don't use any of them either really. As I've said I'm speculating against the worst case scenario in most cases, mostly because force of habit has taught me to...so I'll be pleasantly surprised when I get more than expected.
Its sort of like a conscious process of pro-actively lowering my expectations so pretty much anything looks better than what I've considered.
I have no idea what makes anime style costumes different from any other costumes. But Im all for more dress options. So unless by "costume" they also mean FACIAL features I think it's great.
I would hate to see any mini mouthed, button nosed heros with oversized puppy dog eyes. Just doesn't fit with current faces
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Issue 5, in my opinion..is a long way off, somewhere around next January.
So Issue 4 is technically the last free update we'll see til after CoV is live.
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I'm not known for clear answers, but I'll break with tradition and just say...
Nope. Issue 5 WILL come out earlier than next January.
And there are TWO development teams within Cryptic - one on City of Heroes and one on City of Villains.
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Damn.. for a minute there I thought you were actually saying I5 would come out in January States.. nearly had a heart attack until I realized you were just quoting.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned..but are you considering what "anime costumes" mean? Yes, in anime there are a lot of school girl uniforms, yukutas, kimonos and other tradtional Japanese clothing..but there's also sub genres in anime such as mecha. Have you ever seen Gundam Wing? Mecha are robots and technical things like that..perhaps that is included?
There's also so many other different types of "anime" costumes..not everything is Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball Z. Take a look at Gundam Wing, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop.. those are more science fiction/modern than traditional Japanese dress.
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Oh I'm aware of this too. But Mecha? I think thats a hopeful thought, but regardless we already have several options that translate to mecha roughly and I don't use any of them either really. As I've said I'm speculating against the worst case scenario in most cases, mostly because force of habit has taught me to...so I'll be pleasantly surprised when I get more than expected.
Its sort of like a conscious process of pro-actively lowering my expectations so pretty much anything looks better than what I've considered.
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*nods* Well, I guess the way I personally am dealing with this is looking at the big picture. There's already so many costume options..I don't really care about how much more I get to chose from. I'm creative enough with what's there as is.. and I much rather see the dev team working on bigger projects, like balance issues and new content. But that's just my opinion, of course.
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This will not turn into City of DBZ.
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Actually, I think that given a chance, we will see an incredible number of DBZ clones (among others).
I think the only reason why CoH hasn't turned into CoMarvel is because of the lawsuit and the much-interpreted TOS/EULA.
Of course, I'm hoping that creativity and the better parts of human nature will prevail, but...
Current main:
Schrodinger's Gun, Dual Pistols/Mental Blaster, Virtue
Avatar: Becky Miyamoto from Pani Poni Dash. Roulette roulette~
I agree, Arucard I think you're being far too generous.
I'm still seeing Wolverine clones to this day.
If you think we're not going to be overrun by super saiyans, you sir, are definitely on the Dyne.
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I am surmising / So, I am internally assuming / I'm operating on the assumption
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You seem to do a lot of assuming. Your whole reason for complaining is based solely on your assumption that only anime inspired elements will be added. I can understand your reservations if the thought of anime inspired fashion only makes you think of Pokemon, Love Hina, and DBZ, but there are some really fine designs out there too. Why not just wait until the issue is released and actually seeing what it has to offer rather than just making assumptions.
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Well largely because assuming is the natural way of considering the future. Since it hasn't happened yet, we must assume when speculating on it.
And anyways, your avatar looks like a pandaren brewmaster, I rather doubt any of the additions would dissapoint you sir, they'd only make you even more able to emulate a pandaren.
If thats not a pandaren brewmaster, excuse my thinking so. But I keep expecting to see your avatar throw a mug of ale.
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Then you shouldn't be posting your speculations as if they're facts. Before I3 I didn't think I would like the Kheldians but I didn't start a thread complaining about them either. Turns out I don't like them so I don't have one, no big deal. I'm sure there will be many of the new costume options I won't like either, anime or not, just like I don't care for many of the current options, so I don't use them, again, no big deal.
I've never heard of a pandaren brewmaster and have no idea what game or whatever your getting it from. I designed that character after the Pandas in the Stonebrunt Mountains in EQ and added the coolie and belt because it's a katana scrapper and fits the theme. See, you're making assumptions about me and things I like based solely on a pic of a character I play in a video game. Seems kind of shallow, don't you think? I also have a robot character, a native american character, a character possessed by the spirit of a fallen knight, and a mutant character. What sort of narrow minded asumptions are you going to make about me based on that?
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I am surmising / So, I am internally assuming / I'm operating on the assumption
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You seem to do a lot of assuming. Your whole reason for complaining is based solely on your assumption that only anime inspired elements will be added. I can understand your reservations if the thought of anime inspired fashion only makes you think of Pokemon, Love Hina, and DBZ, but there are some really fine designs out there too. Why not just wait until the issue is released and actually seeing what it has to offer rather than just making assumptions.
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Well largely because assuming is the natural way of considering the future. Since it hasn't happened yet, we must assume when speculating on it.
And anyways, your avatar looks like a pandaren brewmaster, I rather doubt any of the additions would dissapoint you sir, they'd only make you even more able to emulate a pandaren.
If thats not a pandaren brewmaster, excuse my thinking so. But I keep expecting to see your avatar throw a mug of ale.
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Then you shouldn't be posting your speculations as if they're facts. Before I3 I didn't think I would like the Kheldians but I didn't start a thread complaining about them either. Turns out I don't like them so I don't have one, no big deal. I'm sure there will be many of the new costume options I won't like either, anime or not, just like I don't care for many of the current options, so I don't use them, again, no big deal.
I've never heard of a pandaren brewmaster and have no idea what game or whatever your getting it from. I designed that character after the Pandas in the Stonebrunt Mountains in EQ and added the coolie and belt because it's a katana scrapper and fits the theme. See, you're making assumptions about me and things I like based solely on a pic of a character I play in a video game. Seems kind of shallow, don't you think? I also have a robot character, a native american character, a character possessed by the spirit of a fallen knight, and a mutant character. What sort of narrow minded asumptions are you going to make about me based on that?
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Okay you just want to fight obviously.
Sorry I mentioned you looked like a pandaren brewmaster. God.
I'll do as I like. Don't you ever tell me what I should and should not do.
Now bugger off. You're bringing nothing to the discussion except random anger and personal attacks and I've had just about enough of that today.
You know Clobber.... Now that he mentions it, from this distance, it DOES look like a Pandaren Brewmaster...
Which is not really a bad thing, since the Pandaren Brewmaster was the coolest freaking thing Blizzard ever put in one of their games.
It's almost fascinating to watch neutral comments get misinterpreted from all parties and see the thread degenerate (even further) into personal attacks. From all sides.
I think it's called the "train wreck syndrome". You know what's going to happen, and you know it's going to be horrible, but you just can't look away.
Current main:
Schrodinger's Gun, Dual Pistols/Mental Blaster, Virtue
Avatar: Becky Miyamoto from Pani Poni Dash. Roulette roulette~
Yes the Pandaren was quite cool. He worked well with the Tauren Warchief online.
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EDIT: In regards to something Primal said... what is with all the hate for Spacekitten? Aside from a flamefest with Twilight Avengers a few months ago (and I certainly don't blame SK for not getting along with those guys) I have yet to see him/her say something anywhere close to nasty.
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Dunno. I teamed with her on her warshade on the clock TF once, and she seemed to play it well.
And about the DBZ clones, well....I've already seen them before. They already have the pineapple hair in game, or at least close enough, and that's basically the most noticeable thing about them.
Culex's resistance guide
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I am surmising / So, I am internally assuming / I'm operating on the assumption
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You seem to do a lot of assuming. Your whole reason for complaining is based solely on your assumption that only anime inspired elements will be added. I can understand your reservations if the thought of anime inspired fashion only makes you think of Pokemon, Love Hina, and DBZ, but there are some really fine designs out there too. Why not just wait until the issue is released and actually seeing what it has to offer rather than just making assumptions.
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Well largely because assuming is the natural way of considering the future. Since it hasn't happened yet, we must assume when speculating on it.
And anyways, your avatar looks like a pandaren brewmaster, I rather doubt any of the additions would dissapoint you sir, they'd only make you even more able to emulate a pandaren.
If thats not a pandaren brewmaster, excuse my thinking so. But I keep expecting to see your avatar throw a mug of ale.
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Then you shouldn't be posting your speculations as if they're facts. Before I3 I didn't think I would like the Kheldians but I didn't start a thread complaining about them either. Turns out I don't like them so I don't have one, no big deal. I'm sure there will be many of the new costume options I won't like either, anime or not, just like I don't care for many of the current options, so I don't use them, again, no big deal.
I've never heard of a pandaren brewmaster and have no idea what game or whatever your getting it from. I designed that character after the Pandas in the Stonebrunt Mountains in EQ and added the coolie and belt because it's a katana scrapper and fits the theme. See, you're making assumptions about me and things I like based solely on a pic of a character I play in a video game. Seems kind of shallow, don't you think? I also have a robot character, a native american character, a character possessed by the spirit of a fallen knight, and a mutant character. What sort of narrow minded asumptions are you going to make about me based on that?
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Okay you just want to fight obviously.
Sorry I mentioned you looked like a pandaren brewmaster. God.
I'll do as I like. Don't you ever tell me what I should and should not do.
Now bugger off. You're bringing nothing to the discussion except random anger and personal attacks and I've had just about enough of that today.
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What anger? I think it's kind of funny that you're getting so worked up over something that really isn't going to affect how you play the game even it it does turn out the way you're expecting it too, and that you seem to think everybody else should be all worked up about it too.
Personal attacks? I haven't said anything worse, or even as bad, than what has been said to me.
Discussion? What discussion? You just discount everything people say that isn't in agreement with you and basicly restate your original post over and over with different wording. No discussion here.
Fight? Isn't that why you started a whine thread based on pure conjecture and insulted people using anime avatars in the first place?
I wasn't bothered by the pandaren brewmaster comment. I really have no idea what sort of character that is. I was a little put out by your assumption that since I have an oriental themed avatar that I would just naturally like all the anime stuff they're putting in. That's a pretty broad generalization being made about me based on a single image.
Bugger off? Tell you what, your own words make a fitting reply to this drival. "Don't you ever tell me what I should and should not do."
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I think part of the problem is that when you post a viewpoint, you phrase it in a way such that it comes across as "this is how it will happen".
And then when people get offended (the anime avatar thing is slightly uncalled for in the beginning, I have to admit) or defensive, then you explain what it is basically a speculation on the Worst Case Scenario. Which would have saved a lot of trouble if you had mentioned that in the first place.
Also, people accuse you ("this is how you are!"), and you accuse them back ("no, this is what you want!"), and it all cycles down to implosion.
So basically, yes, I think it would be better if you were to tone down your posts a bit. Again, not everyone does this, but it has to start somewhere, and with hot-button topics, it's best to be excruciatingly polite.
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You know, when it's put like this, I begin to think that Brawl deserves some credit. That's pretty much exactly the way Puffyshirt sounded, as I recall. Btw, yes, Arucard, he did stay around longer than release, because he was still posting when I started posting here. I never saw him say anything truly off-the-wall or obviously trollish, but I wasn't a board addict then. 
Of course, I remember quite a few people complaining about SpaceKitten as too, and she (?) has never said anything I myself have had a problem with. Shrugs.
On-topic, I sit squarely on the fence (metaphorically speaking, heh) when it comes to anime and manga. I like/dislike some of it a whole lot, but then again, I like it or not because of the story/action/characters/dialogue/whatever, not because it's anime. It's the same thing as my opinion about the movies The Incredibles (awesome) and Shall We Dance (never in a million years would I even think of seeing it, much less like it). You see what I'm trying to say here, right? I just can't find it in me to hate any media universally.
Btw, you'll notice my avatar is nothing anime-related, though I admit a certain curiosity of how she'd look in a schoolgirl outfit. Hmm...anyone know how to get drool out of a keyboard? 
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Hey I basically said the same thing to backagain/revolution_pro in that praise thread he was trying to promote a few pages back. It had a nice opening post of him not complaining. And then more standoffish responses, his standard fare.
And the PuffyShirt story is quite interesting. Especially about 15 posts into this thread I started to wonder if a "Backagain/revolution_pro should be banned" topic would do any good. Now that I know there's actually a precedent, it probably has some merit. 
Spacekitten is cool. Sure, she don't like TA. But there's a lot of people like that. I've never had any problem with them but I can see how they might rub some people the wrong way.
Some people don't like KaliMagdalene much either. Obviously backagain/revolution_pro is in that camp. When you post thousands of topics you're bound to say something somewhere that offends someone. But I've seen a LOT of informative posts from her, especially concerning Dark Armor issues.
Some of those TA guys can come off as arrogant. But they obviously know how to play the game. You can tell from their posts, and from their well-known accomplishments. So I can tolerate attitude, as long as there is something informative behind it.
But attitude, argument, wild speculation, rampant despair, and refusal to accept any criticism from anyone ever... it's only been a few weeks and a few hundred posts, but it's more than enough. And the name change won't help.
As for the main main topic, before the puffyshirt sub-topic... It was probably only a dozen posts in when the fact that two teams existed was pointed out. And then someone mentioned Lord_Recluse as CoV lead. A simple user name post would have stopped the whole "CoH won't update once CoV releases" whine.
And as for the costume complaints. The whole character creation engine is going to be modified in I4. The new "body and face scaling" will allow EVERYONE to modify their hero. So... every single hero in the game is getting new costume content with Issue 4. Read that closely.
EVERY.
SINGLE.
HERO.
Now what is there to complain about?
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The fact that your nose isn't scaled to my liking, and it's obvious that a Mutant Origin Player can't use Natural Origin Fingers because it's stupid.
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I agree, Arucard I think you're being far too generous.
I'm still seeing Wolverine clones to this day.
If you think we're not going to be overrun by super saiyans, you sir, are definitely on the Dyne.
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That wasn't my point. What I was saying is that the world will not be redrawn into a DBZ style, nor will EVERY character look like some anime reject. That seems to be what some people are afraid of. I will bet my life that there will be plenty of traditional styled heroes out there to balance it all out. Of course there will be anime clones, but after a week or two it won't be any worse than it is now.
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I'd like some new hairstyles as well. My female heroes are on strike because they're tired of the same four options.
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Couldn't resist reading the rest of the thread before replying to this one first.. so sorry if someone has said this(Then again.. I seem to be the only person with this beef)
I would love more hair myself. I will admit.. I have an obsession with hair. The wrong hairstyle on my hero just sort of ruins the whole feeling of the game. Just about all of them are wrong though! Anything with bangs just looks freaky when veiwed from the front. Sometimes I forget and see a lady hero from behind. I think "Hmm.. nice hair", but then she turns around and I am reminded of how badly the fronts of most hairstyles are done(For the women at least.. Never cared to try making male hero). I don't know.. they just look wrong sometimes. ONe of them looks like these big clumps of hair were glued together and stuck on the side of the head.
Maybe I am being overly critical. I am an artist myself.. and I get hung up on the hair I draw. All that I can think to describe it is that some just aren't smooth enough.. or something. They are jagged and spiked in a way that just isn't appealing. I can't bring myself to stick some of the hairstyles on my heros..
If you can't already tell. I am the type of person who spends forever in the character creator.. just trying to come up with the perfect outfit for my newest hero. I recall trashing one concept because I couldn't come up with something that satisfied me.
Kittens ROCK.
Revolution-Pro
Nothing in particular to quote, or I'd quote it all. You claim not to be a troll, yet you take what you admit is speculation, use it to accuse the devs of breaking promises, and speak with contempt of anyone who likes anime. You may not mean to be a troll, but you sure sound like one.
The devs promised new free content. They never promised new free content that YOU would like. If every bit of of content introduced failed to appeal to you, they would still be keeping their promise. If they never introduced a single new costume and instead introduced new missions, foes, powers, etc., they would still be keeping their promise.
You've wanted new costumes since release. So have I. But the devs are under no obligation to give them to me. They are under no obligation to design anything to meet MY tastes. Ever. If they do... great. If they don't, well I enjoy the game as is, as I assume you do since you're still playing.
Finally, the quotes most referred to in this thread strongly indicated by the application of logic that the new costumes are not JUST anime. Throw out the trenchcoat comment, that's relevant only to the fact that there will be no trenchcoats (and wow was the matrix anime influenced... if you're looking for western heroes, Neo ain't one). 'Latest styles from around the world' Since updates descriptions are generally done from the viewpoint of the COH world, we can take this to mean 'costume styles' (or not, still doesn't really matter). Unless 'around the world' = Japan, then there will be non-anime options. Period. Also, the mention of anime says 'anime inspired, as many previous posters have pointed out. That strongly indicates that there are costume elements based on anime, but altered in some way, probably to fit better with existing costume elements.
Does the above reasoning contain assumptions on my part? Absolutely. But I am looking at the wording use, rather than just putting my spin on it and presenting it as fact.
I would hope this ends this nonsense. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but your rant against the devs was completely unfounded and provocatory. This is one of the most responsive devs teams I've seen in any of the MMO's I've played (and this is the only one I still play for that reason). The new content has been hit or miss, but there's no question they've worked hard to create an ever-changing experience.
If you don't want to be attacked the way have been, try not to pick fights. That's what your initial post did. If you don't mind the response you've gotten, then by all means continue to post in the manner you have been. It's absolutely your choice. I have neither the ability nor the inclination to tell you what to do or how to do it, but I certainly have the inclination to correct what I perceive to be misinformation and needless posturing.
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I trust you to keep this under your hat, but the next big villian group that is coming to CoH is going to be the Hell Kittens. Regular sized kittens talking and walking on two legs. Bosses are supposed to have lazer eyes, fire breath, and subsonic purrs! The AV is supposed to be some sort of giant cat.. or a bunch of cats glued together to make one uber Hell Kitten.
Seriously though.. I figured I could relate some things about the art of making good hair after my first post. Of all the things on a human, hair is the hardest to get right. Sure you can draw HAIR, but making it look real and appealing can be difficult. You can draw bangs all you want, but there is a way of making them look appealing that can't be described in a ridgid set of guidlines(Meaning you are just going to have to practice till you develop a sense for that type of thing).
I can only imagine how much more difficult this becomes with doing a 3D model. I am stuck at 2D art at the moment.. so I won't try to guess how much more complicated it gets.
They could still use a little work, but I thought I would make it clear that I am not condeming anyone who made them. Though I wouldn't mind if some of it was smoothed over..
And everyone knows a little more about digital hair!
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I trust you to keep this under your hat, but the next big villian group that is coming to CoH is going to be the Hell Kittens. Regular sized kittens talking and walking on two legs. Bosses are supposed to have lazer eyes, fire breath, and subsonic purrs! The AV is supposed to be some sort of giant cat.. or a bunch of cats glued together to make one uber Hell Kitten.
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Now I know your lying.
Everyone knows the AV will be Tealeafs Kitty of Doom.
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I am surmising / So, I am internally assuming / I'm operating on the assumption
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You seem to do a lot of assuming. Your whole reason for complaining is based solely on your assumption that only anime inspired elements will be added. I can understand your reservations if the thought of anime inspired fashion only makes you think of Pokemon, Love Hina, and DBZ, but there are some really fine designs out there too. Why not just wait until the issue is released and actually seeing what it has to offer rather than just making assumptions.
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Well largely because assuming is the natural way of considering the future. Since it hasn't happened yet, we must assume when speculating on it.
And anyways, your avatar looks like a pandaren brewmaster, I rather doubt any of the additions would dissapoint you sir, they'd only make you even more able to emulate a pandaren.
If thats not a pandaren brewmaster, excuse my thinking so. But I keep expecting to see your avatar throw a mug of ale.