Something funny I noticed..well I think its funny
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Posted on: 2005-02-05 07:46 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.
In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."
Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?
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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.
I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.
Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.
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Not every update will give something to everyone.
They added a Maple-Leaf to the costume options some time ago, that doesen't help non-canadians much 
(I still want my three crowns!)
I've no use for Kheldians, as I'm barely halfway to level 50.
Etc. etc. If you don't want stuff, don't use it. Simple as that. Just because I won't use a particular set of added content doesen't mean that content isn't good.
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This is of course, a good statement. But I think when we come to something as intensely personal as new costumes you have to look at it.
So the Canadians got a Maple Leaf...thats great. I've got no real problem with that because I've got a ton of chest emblems and I almost never use one anyways.
Entire costume upgrades have been what people have more or less asked for, hoping to see them in nearly every update so far. They've been put off as low priority since release.
Costumes are our characters. The ability to be new and different all the time is what makes the game so good in the first place. The problem is the current options are largely worn out. New ones at this point in the game would be highly welcomed by everyone I'd think.
Kheldians don't matter much to me because I never get to 50 anyways, maple leafs aren't that big a deal because its just one item.
A whole update of anime stuff though is different. Its hard to ignore the fact that one of the biggest things you wanted is coming in a fashion in of which you won't use it.
At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.
In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."
Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?
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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.
I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.
Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.
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Not every update will give something to everyone.
They added a Maple-Leaf to the costume options some time ago, that doesen't help non-canadians much (I still want my three crowns!)
I've no use for Kheldians, as I'm barely halfway to level 50.
Etc. etc. If you don't want stuff, don't use it. Simple as that. Just because I won't use a particular set of added content doesen't mean that content isn't good.
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This is of course, a good statement. But I think when we come to something as intensely personal as new costumes you have to look at it.
So the Canadians got a Maple Leaf...thats great. I've got no real problem with that because I've got a ton of chest emblems and I almost never use one anyways.
Entire costume upgrades have been what people have more or less asked for, hoping to see them in nearly every update so far. They've been put off as low priority since release.
Costumes are our characters. The ability to be new and different all the time is what makes the game so good in the first place. The problem is the current options are largely worn out. New ones at this point in the game would be highly welcomed by everyone I'd think.
Kheldians don't matter much to me because I never get to 50 anyways, maple leafs aren't that big a deal because its just one item.
A whole update of anime stuff though is different. Its hard to ignore the fact that one of the biggest things you wanted is coming in a fashion in of which you won't use it.
At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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Point is, I'm pretty sure you'll get your content in time. "He who waits for something good never waits to long" eh? The point is, just becuase *you* or someone else isn't getting exactly what you want right now that doesen't mean the decision is bad.
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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Regardless, this is a forum. Its about opinions on CoH, this is an opinion on CoH. You are not required to agree with me on it. No one is. I'm not telling people that anime costumes are wrong and we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying that waiting a year for a bunch of stuff you won't use is disappointing.
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O...K... where to begin...
First: you are trolling people respond to that, it is how some people get there e-jollies, I'm not judging.
Second: It very likely will not be a year before we see Issue 6, but I can't prove it, and you can't prove it will be year... see point one.
Third: If we are not required to agree with you... why do you have to lash out at everyone with a desenting oppinion?
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Regardless, this is a forum. Its about opinions on CoH, this is an opinion on CoH. You are not required to agree with me on it. No one is. I'm not telling people that anime costumes are wrong and we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying that waiting a year for a bunch of stuff you won't use is disappointing.
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O...K... where to begin...
First: you are trolling people respond to that, it is how some people get there e-jollies, I'm not judging.
Second: It very likely will not be a year before we see Issue 6, but I can't prove it, and you can't prove it will be year... see point one.
Third: If we are not required to agree with you... why do you have to lash out at everyone with a desenting oppinion?
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I'm not lashing out. I'm debating. Theres a difference.
I'm also not trolling.
I say something, someone proffers their opinion on what I've said, I analyze what they've said and give my counter point that supports my view.
I'm not sure what constitutes "not trolling" in your opinion. Maybe if I totally backed off all my views and just said "Oh...I'm sorry, you're all right and I am wrong....sorry for bothering you." that would make me not a troll?
I'm not trolling people. I'm discussing my viewpoint with them. I don't mind if they don't think the same as me, or don't agree with me...because thats how good discussion occurs. If everyone agrees with you...theres nothing to discuss.
You seem to think that I'm being hateful or vicious to people when I'm not doing anything of the sort. I'm simply supporting my viewpoints against theirs.
What, exactly, about that, is trolling?
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This is of course, a good statement. But I think when we come to something as intensely personal as new costumes you have to look at it.
So the Canadians got a Maple Leaf...thats great. I've got no real problem with that because I've got a ton of chest emblems and I almost never use one anyways.
Entire costume upgrades have been what people have more or less asked for, hoping to see them in nearly every update so far. They've been put off as low priority since release.
Costumes are our characters. The ability to be new and different all the time is what makes the game so good in the first place. The problem is the current options are largely worn out. New ones at this point in the game would be highly welcomed by everyone I'd think.
Kheldians don't matter much to me because I never get to 50 anyways, maple leafs aren't that big a deal because its just one item.
A whole update of anime stuff though is different. Its hard to ignore the fact that one of the biggest things you wanted is coming in a fashion in of which you won't use it.
At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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Nice of you to finally clarify that.
I'm no fan of anime myself. I probably won't use them, either. But I will flip through them, and who knows? Maybe I'll like some elements. Maybe they won't be as anime-ish as we've been led to believe. I'm certainly not going to fault Cryptic for giving something to a part of the fanbase that is clearly in CoH, even if it's not my personal cup of tea.
Besides, there are a lot of new features that will come in this release, including the body scaling, which also gives us more options when it comes to our hero's design.
There's going something for everyone in Issue 4. And I very seriously doubt that we'll be waiting until this time next year for our next update.
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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.
In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."
Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?
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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.
I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.
Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.
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Not every update will give something to everyone.
They added a Maple-Leaf to the costume options some time ago, that doesen't help non-canadians much (I still want my three crowns!)
I've no use for Kheldians, as I'm barely halfway to level 50.
Etc. etc. If you don't want stuff, don't use it. Simple as that. Just because I won't use a particular set of added content doesen't mean that content isn't good.
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This is of course, a good statement. But I think when we come to something as intensely personal as new costumes you have to look at it.
So the Canadians got a Maple Leaf...thats great. I've got no real problem with that because I've got a ton of chest emblems and I almost never use one anyways.
Entire costume upgrades have been what people have more or less asked for, hoping to see them in nearly every update so far. They've been put off as low priority since release.
Costumes are our characters. The ability to be new and different all the time is what makes the game so good in the first place. The problem is the current options are largely worn out. New ones at this point in the game would be highly welcomed by everyone I'd think.
Kheldians don't matter much to me because I never get to 50 anyways, maple leafs aren't that big a deal because its just one item.
A whole update of anime stuff though is different. Its hard to ignore the fact that one of the biggest things you wanted is coming in a fashion in of which you won't use it.
At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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Point is, I'm pretty sure you'll get your content in time. "He who waits for something good never waits to long" eh? The point is, just becuase *you* or someone else isn't getting exactly what you want right now that doesen't mean the decision is bad.
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I just may get my content in time. My concern is that it won't be until sometime next year after all the CoV issues have been ironed out.
I could very well get my content in Issue 4, because I could be wrong and there could be tons of stuff in there thats not all Pikachu and Love Hina and DBZ.
But if I4 is all anime, that means its going to be a very long time indeed before I get my content. And patience in internet and most especially MMO terms, is about 90 days really.
Regardless, I'll keep playing the game, because its the only one I really like. But you can't blame me for making my case for what I'd like to see in a costume update. If roles were reversed you'd possibly do the same thing.
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CURSES!! ....id ignore you because you make my brain hurt on this issue but I agree with you to often on other matters .... ...but if you like or use any of the new costume options you owe me a cookie 
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I'd say the ignore option is the digital equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalala".
And quite possibly just as mature.
Regardless, this is a forum. Its about opinions on CoH, this is an opinion on CoH. You are not required to agree with me on it. No one is. I'm not telling people that anime costumes are wrong and we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying that waiting a year for a bunch of stuff you won't use is dissapointing.
If I do end up using it, I'll be sure to send off a box of grandma's finest. You can be sure.
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well you did it ... I finally saw your point ... yup that would suck pretty bad ... I'd say theyll get around to it and take what you can get .... but like you said youre a bit tired of that mentality ... ah well ... um oatmeal raisin ...should the occasion arise
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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.
In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."
Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?
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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.
I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.
Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.
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Not every update will give something to everyone.
They added a Maple-Leaf to the costume options some time ago, that doesen't help non-canadians much (I still want my three crowns!)
I've no use for Kheldians, as I'm barely halfway to level 50.
Etc. etc. If you don't want stuff, don't use it. Simple as that. Just because I won't use a particular set of added content doesen't mean that content isn't good.
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This is of course, a good statement. But I think when we come to something as intensely personal as new costumes you have to look at it.
So the Canadians got a Maple Leaf...thats great. I've got no real problem with that because I've got a ton of chest emblems and I almost never use one anyways.
Entire costume upgrades have been what people have more or less asked for, hoping to see them in nearly every update so far. They've been put off as low priority since release.
Costumes are our characters. The ability to be new and different all the time is what makes the game so good in the first place. The problem is the current options are largely worn out. New ones at this point in the game would be highly welcomed by everyone I'd think.
Kheldians don't matter much to me because I never get to 50 anyways, maple leafs aren't that big a deal because its just one item.
A whole update of anime stuff though is different. Its hard to ignore the fact that one of the biggest things you wanted is coming in a fashion in of which you won't use it.
At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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Point is, I'm pretty sure you'll get your content in time. "He who waits for something good never waits to long" eh? The point is, just becuase *you* or someone else isn't getting exactly what you want right now that doesen't mean the decision is bad.
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I just may get my content in time. My concern is that it won't be until sometime next year after all the CoV issues have been ironed out.
I could very well get my content in Issue 4, because I could be wrong and there could be tons of stuff in there thats not all Pikachu and Love Hina and DBZ.
But if I4 is all anime, that means its going to be a very long time indeed before I get my content. And patience in internet and most especially MMO terms, is about 90 days really.
Regardless, I'll keep playing the game, because its the only one I really like. But you can't blame me for making my case for what I'd like to see in a costume update. If roles were reversed you'd possibly do the same thing.
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Put it like this: Issue 4 is the only issue that I'm getting really excited about (PVP and new costume options! Doesen't get much better than that!) if "patience" is 90 days then I certainly has been patient, as I've been playing the game more or less since launch
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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Nice of you to finally clarify that.
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Is this barb really necessary?
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I'm no fan of anime myself. I probably won't use them, either. But I will flip through them, and who knows? Maybe I'll like some elements. Maybe they won't be as anime-ish as we've been led to believe. I'm certainly not going to fault Cryptic for giving something to a part of the fanbase that is clearly in CoH, even if it's not my personal cup of tea.
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Theres always a good chance that some of it will be usable in combination with other pieces we already have. I'm not writing that off.
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Besides, there are a lot of new features that will come in this release, including the body scaling, which also gives us more options when it comes to our hero's design.
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I agree totally with this, the body scaling system is long awaited, I really hope it is as in depth as I hope it is, giving us something of the control we had on characters in SWG, with CoH models...that would be most excellent indeed. I'm not knocking it at all.
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There's going something for everyone in Issue 4. And I very seriously doubt that we'll be waiting until this time next year for our next update.
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The body scaling system would count as something for everyone, to be sure. But I'd still like new clothes. I've only waited since release for them pretty patiently and all.
And we may not see a slow down in content updates between now and CoV....like I said I was just speculating against their development deadlines and assuming that they'd likely throw all their resources behind getting CoV released on time. They may be able to do that without cutting content upgrades down for awhile. Some folks have indicated that they've hired a whole new team to handle CoV development...this is something that I wasn't aware of personally. Though even then I can see them putting more and more of their total resources behind CoV's development as we get closer to the fall. But thats just me.
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At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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Nice of you to finally clarify that.
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Is this barb really necessary?
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Yeah, because I think that a lot of your "opinions" are not phrased as such. You seem to be a fairly intelligent person, so you're more than capable of expressing yourself in a less confrontational and off-putting manner.
Regardless, I'm sure some more effort will be put into CoV...closer to its launch...which won't be for quite awhile, since it hasn't even gone to beta yet, as far as I'm aware. So there might be a larger gap than normal between updates...but it's doubtful it will be the virtual abyss you were suggesting.
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At least to me it is. I don't speak for everyone, of course.
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Nice of you to finally clarify that.
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Is this barb really necessary?
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Yeah, because I think that a lot of your "opinions" are not phrased as such. You seem to be a fairly intelligent person, so you're more than capable of expressing yourself in a less confrontational and off-putting manner.
Regardless, I'm sure some more effort will be put into CoV...closer to its launch...which won't be for quite awhile, since it hasn't even gone to beta yet, as far as I'm aware. So there might be a larger gap than normal between updates...but it's doubtful it will be the virtual abyss you were suggesting.
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I don't purposefully present myself confrontationally.
People disagree with me and somehow take it personally when I debate their viewpoints with my own.
Anyways I could go through this thread and point out all the times that I've said "I don't think its bad that we're getting anime costumes...." and "this is only my opinion" and "well this is what I think." and "I'm not saying you're wrong." and "its possible that I could be wrong."
So exactly how subserviant to I have to be to not be confrontational? Because thats apparently what you want. You want me to not argue my point of view at all. You want me to not say anything if someone posts with an opposing viewpoint apparently.
Because thats apparently all I could do to not be seen as confrontational. Because I've already gone out of my way to try to NOT be confrontational and to ensure people know that I'm just expressing my thoughts and views.
So, I don't think the problem is so much what I'm saying or how I say it...but in how you choose to hear it. And on a forum thats simply rife with trolls, I can see why you'd be so defensive to start...and given the fact that my name alone seems to rate a one star rating for everything I post, I can see why you'd come in with the predisposed notion that I'm being confrontational.
Ah well, damned if you do, damned if you don't as they say.
we just want you to be happy is all
and to be fair ... I kinda took you as another one of those people who do in fact complain about everything even if its covered in gold and handed to them on a platinum platter .... and took out some of my anger against them in my posts ...and that was bad of me .... and im sleepy ... thats not an excuse ... well not a good one ...but
Wow, talk about your masochistic impulses... 
Personally I'm happy to be getting any costume options in this update. And yes, Backagain, the bit about "anime-inspired" costume elements is most undoubtedly a sales pitch to anime fans, congrats for recognizing that...
I mean what a shocker. Companies sell stuff! Ok, this is my moral outrage right here: :|
Come on folks. I've seen a lot of garish costumes and a lot of well done ones. I've even seen good costumes constructed of elements I previously thought to be garish in and of themselves.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled "Issue 4 is coming! The end is nigh! Repent now or forever burn in the fires of trite anime-inspired cotume elements and PVP-related nerf complaints!!" thread.
I think you're just complaining because you're a minority that apparently won't use anything from the new costume choices. Time will tell if that's the case. Personally I think most people will find some usable things from the new costume selections.
I for one..and a VERY important one at that, THINK...*ehem* My goodness, self-importance reigns, eh?
Well, really..for me CoH has offered so far, the very best 'Character Creation' I have ever used.
Anything they add to the process is just a plus for me, whether I like it right now, whether I actually hate it now, but may use it in the future, whether I NEVER use it...whatever...it's still another opportunity for diversity, which to me, simply has no equal.
I am sure that Cryptic knows fully WELL how very much we desire even more options, and that further options will be released.
Anime? So be it, lets see what it is and if it offers anything useful.
If not, we can at least all
Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.*
*All in the mind, all in the mind....*taps head*
*waves hand* you may continue the arguing...I find it amusing.
RE: Trenchcoats
I'm sure animating them is a pain, they'd have to move and flap in the wind like a cape, to some degree.
I hope if they ever add trenchcoats it's a choice between that or a cape. Because you know if it's not there are going to be characters with a trenchcoat and a cape. And that would just look strange.
I'm looking forward to any new clothes options, if there's nothing I like, big deal. There's a lot I don't like now, hasn't stopped me from playing or having alt-itis.
The only things I'd really like to see eventually are:
A nice worn, leather bomber jacket
Longer skirts
Other female shoe options besides the one with the ankle strap. IE: sneakers, pumps like some NPCs wear, sandals. Why on earth would I want to wear capris with ankle strap heels?
(Hey Cryptic, hire some women to design female costumes )
But when all is said and done, I'm really not going to complain about something that is free .
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RE: Trenchcoats
I'm sure animating them is a pain, they'd have to move and flap in the wind like a cape, to some degree.
I hope if they ever add trenchcoats it's a choice between that or a cape. Because you know if it's not there are going to be characters with a trenchcoat and a cape. And that would just look strange.
I'm looking forward to any new clothes options, if there's nothing I like, big deal. There's a lot I don't like now, hasn't stopped me from playing or having alt-itis.
The only things I'd really like to see eventually are:
A nice worn, leather bomber jacket
Longer skirts
Other female shoe options besides the one with the ankle strap. IE: sneakers, pumps like some NPCs wear, sandals. Why on earth would I want to wear capris with ankle strap heels?
(Hey Cryptic, hire some women to design female costumes )
But when all is said and done, I'm really not going to complain about something that is free .
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I'd like some new hairstyles as well. My female heroes are on strike because they're tired of the same four options.
And maybe some higher poly looks. I mean really, low poly hair is so 20th century. Maybe something that moves even.
I agree on the shoes, everythings dominatrix or just trick it seems.
I'd say, the most problematic thing for me is that this is something I can fix for myself. But they won't let me fix it. They've made it against the rules to make my own clothes, so I have to wait for them to give me some. I'm sure not everyone can do this, and that doesn't make me any better than anyone else...just a frustrating point for me because I could very well take care of my own desire for new outfits and not bother them at all...but its against the rules...so I don't.
O I too understand the frustration...
Some of my female toons wish for long, flowing skirts, or at least long robes, which methink, males would like as well..or other clothing that flows, shimmers, tickes with feathers, whatever...
Eh, but...CoH still has offered me what others NEVER have, the ability to use my mind, my imagination in creating my VISUAL, moving, ingame Heroines....even if they fall short, they still are reaching for their true image.
I really, really believe, as I stated before, that Cryptic understands this most powerful need for us to be able to control our heroes/villians down to the very SOCKS she or he wears. Please the customer, the customer will never leave a good thing. Can they deliver? Someone will...
It rather thrills me to witness the beginning of this ability.
You know I have been following this whole thread here at work and I have seen some very good point-counter-point dialogue going on here. And I have also chimed in on "wish lists for costume additions to the game" and all that.
The thing that gets to me about all this is - well the fact that we (the consumers) do not know just what is in the costume update for I4.
Now I have not seen the PCG article that seems to have started the whole Anime firestorm, going to see if I can pick it up durring lunch today, but I can tell you as a former subscriber to PCG - they have published a lot of halfcooked truths over the years! 
Reason for the former part. But I digress, do you not think that all this lamenting is a little pre-mature?? I am not slamming your concerns here, it just all feels like the old saying of "putting the cart before the horse". Now I really sound old! 
If it wasn't premature you couldn't smugly claim precognitive knowledge of what is undoubtedly going to happen when it releases...
And really I'd love to have a flashback to all the pre-I3 apocalyptic talk and dire prognostications, just to see how much of it was really justified.
I guess such threads are just inevitable.
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If it wasn't premature you couldn't smugly claim precognitive knowledge of what is undoubtedly going to happen when it releases...
And really I'd love to have a flashback to all the pre-I3 apocalyptic talk and dire prognostications, just to see how much of it was really justified.
I guess such threads are just inevitable.
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On the other hand, I didn't have much bad to say about I3 in total. I was concerned where Invulnerability was going to go but I didn't have much to say about it because I stopped tanking last year after the provoke nerf.
I3 mostly looked pretty good to me, even the invuln changes looked like they could be good....other than Invincibility's total loss of ranged defense. So I didn't have much to say about it other than "Wow, I left 7 months ago and you were balancing tankers, I come back and you're still balancing tankers...what a game."
I don't doom cry as a rule. This isn't what I'd call doomsaying, because I don't think I4 will be bad at all. I'm just concerned that we're going to be dissapointed with the costume options is all. I personally have a ton of costume stuff I want, if you want my opinion the efforts of an entire content update should go into upgrading and improving the entire character creation system...I4 seems to take a step in that direction, but the step seems sort of...tenative. Body scaling is a good thing, new costumes is a good thing...but the entire system is already good...it needs to be focused on and taken to the point of absolutely outstanding.
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You can believe me if you like. I have nothing to gain or lose by covinving you or not. I'm perfectly calm myself, because I KNOW CoV will not steal from CoH's developement. Maybe just Statesman's post would somewhat decreas.
Honestly, I was expecting that was something everybody knew.
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Believing you is at odds with the carefully cultivated victim mentality that equates adding new anime/manga-inspired costume options with something nobody wanted.
I don't care if some people are so insular in their fandom that the idea of contamination from another vector makes them feel sad inside. I do find it sad that so many are willing to make demonstrably wrong generalizations about anime or manga as if eith were a genre and not a medium, and base these statements on maybe - if you're lucky - two or three dubbed/edited for US release anime series.
I submit that the primary reason most of the naysayers are saying nay is not the quality of the source material, it's that the source material is alien to them.
For the record, my avatar comes from City of Heroes. I, for one, welcome our new anime costume overlords.
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If it wasn't premature you couldn't smugly claim precognitive knowledge of what is undoubtedly going to happen when it releases...
And really I'd love to have a flashback to all the pre-I3 apocalyptic talk and dire prognostications, just to see how much of it was really justified.
I guess such threads are just inevitable.
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On the other hand, I didn't have much bad to say about I3 in total. I was concerned where Invulnerability was going to go but I didn't have much to say about it because I stopped tanking last year after the provoke nerf.
I3 mostly looked pretty good to me, even the invuln changes looked like they could be good....other than Invincibility's total loss of ranged defense. So I didn't have much to say about it other than "Wow, I left 7 months ago and you were balancing tankers, I come back and you're still balancing tankers...what a game."
I don't doom cry as a rule. This isn't what I'd call doomsaying, because I don't think I4 will be bad at all. I'm just concerned that we're going to be dissapointed with the costume options is all. I personally have a ton of costume stuff I want, if you want my opinion the efforts of an entire content update should go into upgrading and improving the entire character creation system...I4 seems to take a step in that direction, but the step seems sort of...tenative. Body scaling is a good thing, new costumes is a good thing...but the entire system is already good...it needs to be focused on and taken to the point of absolutely outstanding.
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"Focused on and taken to the point of absolutely outstanding" to quote Backagain...
I'll take that....and it really believe it will come....
Online gaming has hit a sophistication that outshines anything before...and IF the ability for 'complete' Character creation is available...players will flock to that game simply to be able to do so...whether they play or not....a different story.
Cryptic has some sharp tacs working for them....it MUST be a consideration if the wish for CoH to be in actuality five years from now.
Humans love the visual..and what is more visual then the 'me' factor? Ohhh....there I AM! Perfection...*sigh* Silly? maybe...true? Yes Virginia...there is a Visual Clause.
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You can believe me if you like. I have nothing to gain or lose by covinving you or not. I'm perfectly calm myself, because I KNOW CoV will not steal from CoH's developement. Maybe just Statesman's post would somewhat decreas.
Honestly, I was expecting that was something everybody knew.
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Believing you is at odds with the carefully cultivated victim mentality that equates adding new anime/manga-inspired costume options with something nobody wanted.
I don't care if some people are so insular in their fandom that the idea of contamination from another vector makes them feel sad inside. I do find it sad that so many are willing to make demonstrably wrong generalizations about anime or manga as if eith were a genre and not a medium, and base these statements on maybe - if you're lucky - two or three dubbed/edited for US release anime series.
I submit that the primary reason most of the naysayers are saying nay is not the quality of the source material, it's that the source material is alien to them.
For the record, my avatar comes from City of Heroes. I, for one, welcome our new anime costume overlords.
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Wow what an absolutely hateful reply.
I'm the troll though. Don't forget. I'm the one making confrontational statements and trolling.
Irony at its fullest.
I'm glad you like anime. I don't have much use for it. I've seen some series that I like...I've seen others that I don't.
If I wanted to play an anime game I'd play Ragnarok Online. I'm not down on it because its alien. I'm down on it because it adds nothing to this game in my opinion.
Like I need more half naked school girls and cat girls running around in the game. I've already got enough of those to make me literally ill considering the fact that I know pretty much all of them are men. This is somehow a positive thing?
Maybe to you. And I'm not saying you're predisposed to furries and carefully androgenous sexy heros either. I don't presume to know you.
But you sure seem to have no problem doing that to me.
You are a hateful person Kali. You've never said anything nice in response to anything I've posted. You take disagreement personally. And I'd appreciate it if you just kept out of my posts from here on out.
Abuse is not a right.
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You started off saying that there's all these people with anime-inspired avatars telling us to have faith in the new options.
In a later post, you say that Cryptic is doing this in an effort to attract anime fans that the game doesn't currently have, and that the options aren't "for us."
Aren't you making two seperate arguments that are mutually exclusive?
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Not really, but I can see how you could creatively come to that conclusion for the purpose of argument.
I've said several times in this post that there is a section of the current community that would benefit from an all anime costume update. I'm just saying that that style translates more largely to the asian market and would make CoH, overall, more acceptable in them.
Yes there are people currently playing that will heavily enjoy the anime style. I have not, at any point, denied that. All I'm saying is that theres also people that currently play that have no interest in it and it leaves them with nothing gained.
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Not every update will give something to everyone.
They added a Maple-Leaf to the costume options some time ago, that doesen't help non-canadians much
I've no use for Kheldians, as I'm barely halfway to level 50.
Etc. etc. If you don't want stuff, don't use it. Simple as that. Just because I won't use a particular set of added content doesen't mean that content isn't good.
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."