Devs can you please tell me SOMETHING
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Athenor,
Posted on: 2004-09-19 14:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Are grapples/throws beyond the scope of the current animation schedule/tools?
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How hard can it be to grapple a Ralaruu. You just grab it by the eyebrown turn around and pul.... Nevermind...
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I understand where you are coming from. If Rad had been a blaster choice I would have a completely different blaster. If dark had been a blaster choice I wouldn't be playing a dark/dark defender just to get moonbeam either. Of course the real blaster power I want is Bows. I've had my archers name since Beta too. 
I also know several who would really love to see pistols in the game.
From the scrapper point of view I looked hard for a punching powerset because I wanted a speedster. I wound up with Dark Melee (SR secondary) using only Shadow Punch, Shadow Maul, and Taunt from the primary. Adding in Flurry and hasten, my speedster can punch non-stop at lvl 20 while hasten is up. Add in brawl and there is little downtime even when hasten is down. With the SR secondary, and very little in the primary to spend slots on, its a very effective build so far.
Of course I had to develop an RP reason behind the little shadow bursts that appear once in a while, but I think it has made the character better to have the background.
Anyway, I hope it does come somewhat soon, but in the meantime, I just wanted you to know you /can/ get close.
So, Statesman, no responce as to why you are keeping Scrapper styled attacks from Scrappers? Sigh. That's really dissapointing. I don't think there would be a single person who complained about giving Energy or Super Strength to Scrappers. And it would mean a lot less work for you guys. Seriously consider this, the Tanker/Scrapper power distribution is messed up, no AT with melee as a secondary should have more options than an AT with melee as a primary. It just doesn't make sense, and actually subtracts from this mythical "flavor" you're trying to achieve.
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Straight up punching - like a street fighting set - definitely, it'll happen, but not soon.
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Then wy don't we port some of the Tanker or Blaster secondaries into the Scrapper Primaries? Energy Melee and Super Strength are obvious ones that should have been available to scrappers to begin with! 
I understand it takes time for animations/etc to create a new powerset, that is why so many people have been asking for something along the lines of using the existing powersets to supplement the scrapper lines.
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So, Statesman, no responce as to why you are keeping Scrapper styled attacks from Scrappers? Sigh. That's really dissapointing. I don't think there would be a single person who complained about giving Energy or Super Strength to Scrappers. And it would mean a lot less work for you guys. Seriously consider this, the Tanker/Scrapper power distribution is messed up, no AT with melee as a secondary should have more options than an AT with melee as a primary. It just doesn't make sense, and actually subtracts from this mythical "flavor" you're trying to achieve.
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Not trying to sound smarmy, but I'm actually quite surprised that Statesman posted to this thread at all. Yes, it was a tease.. Prolly something close to his heart, by the sound of it. But at the same time, look how many ppl have come here (or creating their own threads) calling him out, demanding X, Y, and Z, and otherwise using this as justification for speaking out?
... It's no wonder higher-ups on the food chain don't talk to others. *sighs* Such a sad state of affairs. Just remember -- just like with your congressman, cordial, fact-based conversation gets much further than bullying, demanding, and cursing.
Athenor
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New sets are going in in issue 3, complain if it isnt in by then 
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That's 3 months and $45 away, at the very least.
I think it's funny that they're taking all the requests and suggestions from the Beta and slowly spreading their implimentation across the better part of a year. I imagine some planning meetings like:
"Okay, so alot of people are asking for confirmation for Recall Friend and it is being used for alot of griefing."
"Let's put it in the patch right away."
"No hold on, if we delay it a bit, along with these capes and the kiosks and these other changes we can pad the game well after release. That way people won't notice the game has as much story and content as a NES copy of Double Dragon."
"Good ideas, we can also delay any big necassary fixes to Power Sets like Martial Arts until then because it is such a big change we should make it seem important."
Statesman cannot reply to every thread that asks him to.. this is just how it is. Anyone who would expect him to because he replied to this thread.. well thats just stupid.
Yah I "called out" the devs when I said I was gonna keep bumping till i got a reply.. and honestly when Cuppa said stop.. that was all their was to it.. the fact that Statesman replied afterwards shows ya the kind of quality developers that COH has.
Anywho.. he didnt reply because I "made" him.. he replied because it IS a popular issue that alot of people wanted a reply on.
If someone else has a very popular issue that they really really want a devs reply on.. im sure Statesman(or another dev) would find time to reply to it eventually..
If I had been the only person who cared about whether or not scrappers get a punching powerset.. I doubt I would have gotten anything but a deleted thread and a private warning :P.
Anyway. Thank you Cuppa for taking the time to tell me to shut up .. and thank you Statesman for telling us that a streetfighting powerset will be coming eventually.. but not to expect it soon. I guess ill go ahead and make myself a DM/regen scrapper then to pass the time.
Thank you for taking the time devs!
Hooray! At least I know it's in the works. Like others, I've been waiting for a scrapper primary like this, and I have the name for my toon reserved. Now I just have to until the power set is created. Time to change my signature...
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New sets are going in in issue 3, complain if it isnt in by then
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That's 3 months and $45 away, at the very least.
I think it's funny that they're taking all the requests and suggestions from the Beta and slowly spreading their implimentation across the better part of a year. I imagine some planning meetings like:
"Okay, so alot of people are asking for confirmation for Recall Friend and it is being used for alot of griefing."
"Let's put it in the patch right away."
"No hold on, if we delay it a bit, along with these capes and the kiosks and these other changes we can pad the game well after release. That way people won't notice the game has as much story and content as a NES copy of Double Dragon."
"Good ideas, we can also delay any big necassary fixes to Power Sets like Martial Arts until then because it is such a big change we should make it seem important."
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This is a a completely unfair and biased statment. How can you bag on the Dev's like that. Notice that Dev is short for Developer, derivative id Development. Which, by deffanition, is a gradual process. To imply the Dev's are a malicious bunch of bastards who sit around and work weekends to simply make things difficult for us is a laughable stance to have.
Here's a tip. Regardless of what you may think, everyone is not out to get you, or make your life a pain. You most likely bring it on yourself. 
Dood,
Beast - Claws/SR Scrapper (Mutation)
Iron Fist - MA/SR Scrapper
Superman - Invuln/SS Tanker (Tanker is the only thing that makes sense since the amount of damage that Supes can take without breaking a sweat)
Batman - MA/SR Scrapper (with Devs thrown in, of course)
My beef with the MA set is that there are not enough punch manuevers. You have to add Boxing and Flurry to do something with your hands.
Essentially you want the Tanker's SS as Scrapper available primary. Like how Broadsword and Katana had the same names for powers but different actions, I believe that the Scrapper can have the same name as the attacks (Jab, Punch, etc) but I would not call it SS but rather like Street Fighting or some such. Then you could add Kick and Jump Kick to mix up your attacks between hands and feet.
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Since I got into beta ive been asking for a straight up punching powerset for scrappers. since BETA!.. can I get an answer? Im not the only person who wants this.. not by far.. there have been dozens of other posts asking for the same thing but Ive yet to see a dev reply to it with anything.
Cant you tell us if its being discussed.. if its in the works.. if its not going to happen.. SOMETHING.
The original character that I wanted to make in this game was not possible because there was not a punching powerset for scrappers.. ive been sitting on that character since the middle of beta and im to the point now where I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE HIM.
Now, im looking at a DM/Regen scrapper.. and its getting to the point where I may just go ahead and make him even though he isnt what I want. But its really hard to dedicate myself to this character when I still dont know if the character I really want may become available sometime soon.
SO.. how about it can I get an answer please? I could sit here and list all the reasons that ive been a good fan for this game and why I "deserve" an answer.. but it probably wouldnt matter and honestly I shouldnt have to do that anyway.. im not the only person asking for this and when a large number of people in the community want something, I think they at least deserve an answer.
(btw i did have a period of downtime when i moved, so its possible that this was answered and I never saw it.. so if it has been answered, can someone link me to it, or qoute it for m.. I did a search and didnt find anything)
Cmon devs.. my football team lost.. im having a crappy day.. throw me a bone here.
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Boxing
Flurry
Brawl
and the punches from Martial Arts
then add Super Reflexes
go perma hasten so you can cycle those.
done.
Dude, no punching until we get our dual pistols
Thanks Statesman.
In addition to a street punching set, why not make Energy Melee a Scrapper primary? I can see Super Strength being more of a tanker thing, but an energy puncher? That screams "scrapper". Also, The Energy Melee animations are very cool. I love the Barrage animation and the Whirling Hands animation, etc.
Lewis
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My beef with the MA set is that there are not enough punch manuevers. You have to add Boxing and Flurry to do something with your hands.
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I know how you feel. As an amatuer martial artist myself IRL, I was surprised at the lack of hand attacks in the MA set. Seeing as how I study Karate, that's not too odd though.
The funniest thing about it is that you can use the Kata emote in the game and it's all just punches and blocks but the MA set is almost all kicks.
A 'street fighting' power set would be pretty cool.
I can see where, over the course of time, more power sets will be added for the various archetypes, but it wouldn't be a good idea to rush them in, as they'll require a good amount of testing to make sure they aren't under/over-powered compared to other sets. They're still wrestling with balancing current powers as it is, and dealing with the complaints that come from that.
And just from a pragmatic standpoint, releasing new power sets over the course of time will probably help retain players, by providing something new for them to try before they get bored enough to quit. Gotta keep that carrot dangling . . .
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Since I got into beta ive been asking for a straight up punching powerset for scrappers. since BETA!.. can I get an answer?
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This is at least the third time States has posted that a punching scrapper set is coming. Once in beta, and now twice since.
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Dude, no punching until we get our dual pistols
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only if i get to do something like the gun kata in equilibrium.
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Straight up punching - like a street fighting set - definitely, it'll happen, but not soon.
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Ouch, the only thing worse than "soon" is... "not soon".
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why SHOULD there be a punching powerset for scrappers?
Beast
Iron Fist
Power Fist
Superman
Batman
Captain America
to name a few
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Supes is a Tanker.
(dons flame-proof underwear)
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My beef with the MA set is that there are not enough punch manuevers. You have to add Boxing and Flurry to do something with your hands.
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I know how you feel. As an amatuer martial artist myself IRL, I was surprised at the lack of hand attacks in the MA set. Seeing as how I study Karate, that's not too odd though.
The funniest thing about it is that you can use the Kata emote in the game and it's all just punches and blocks but the MA set is almost all kicks.
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Miyagi: Wax on Wax off... Wax on Wax off
Miyagi: What you doing with the feet daniel-san. Use your hands.
Daniel: I cant theres no animation for it.
Miyagi: You look like a retard. Get out of my dojo retard.
Daniel: Look I can jump kick flip upside down in the air and hit people on the head.
Miyagi: I teach karate to defend one self daniel-san. You no wax on wax off you get squished like bug on windshield.
Daniel: But look I can sweep and roundhouse!
Miyagi: You can sweep around my house all you want but I still punch you in face.
Im starting to think that "soon" means within the year and "not soon" means more than one year.
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why SHOULD there be a punching powerset for scrappers?
Beast
Iron Fist
Power Fist
Superman
Batman
Captain America
to name a few
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Supes is a Tanker.
(dons flame-proof underwear)
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And Captain America is a Shield based melee AT.
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I'd go with Dark Melee / Regen, like you suggested. If you're into character I'd ignore Siphon Life and Touch of Fear (most people do, anyway). Pick up Boxing and (if you dare) Flurry or Air Superiority. I guess Midnight Grasp would have to be a decision you'd need to make, but it's a pretty nice power to have.
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