NCSoft Declines More Interviews from Increasing Gaming Press Requests
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Posted on: 2012-10-24 15:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I actually meant to hit REPLY and not QUOTE my bad.
My questions still stand though 
Even if NCSoft could not WIN a legal battle...just how much of a battle does Titan really think they can fight in the courts? Financially? And would it even be worth the risk if such a battle means the destruction of Plan Z?
I mean this is NCSoft we are talking about...you know the ones people like to vilify on these boards since 8/31/2012. NCSoft being the heartless/ruthless/evil corporation that it is 
...would decimate Plan Z's future if it came to a legal battle over emulation. One would think that Titan should COMPLETELY disassociate itself with those doing emulation work...and by that I mean not turn a blind eye. I would hope that Titan would do whatever it took to safely secure the "community" and not take unnecessary risks that could truly decimate what is left of the "community." NCSoft has ignored Titan for the most part, and I would think it would be interesting to see what happens when the hot headed nature of the current movement...pisses them off; especially considering I am quite positive they read the forums here and there and are aware of each "project."
Just my 2¢.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I'm not sure what that has to do with my post, which is discussing the intellectual property rights of authors in the United States and their relationship to contract law.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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Originally Posted by Khellendrosiic
All these threads just start looking the same.
"NCsoft sucks" "Your opinion is invalid, they're allowed" "They still suck" "Your opinion is still invalid because you're being illegal" "It's not illegal" "Yes it is" "No it's not, here's why" "Yeah whatever you're still bad people" Ugh. Can we go back to discussing lore or something? Maybe talk about the stories we would have gotten in i24? |
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Sounds like normality for here since at least i6.
Just replace the subject with any subject and that sums up the average convo. |
Dr. Todt's theme.
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ok, if you say so. All of this didnt just out the blue start happening in Aug. It got worse, yes but not new. |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
With you playing the part of yellow, yes. Except not since i6, but since the end of August. Seriously, this is the last time i'm bothering to acknowledge you since you are obviously just not clueless, but willfully ignorant and contrarian. You constantly misinterpret, distort, and exaggerate, and i'm pretty confident it's not even really conscious. It's not worth pointing out when you're irrefutably wrong since you'll either ignore it or through some arational process convince yourself that being wrong means you were actually right. You're less like a brick wall and more like an unfunhouse mirror.
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Just stating what I observed and of course your statement dont seem to prove anything to the contrary of that.
Now I'm confused, you say yellow is me but you basically made a that post that covers all yellow that you higlighted to the point. Starting with saying my opinion is invalid, all the way down to "i'm still a bad person." Are you talking about me or yourself?
But I guess I'll never since you said you are not going to be bothering with me anymore. Well alright then, have a good day then. Nice talking to ya.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
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Not sure where the emulator talk is coming from with regard to Titan's Plan Z. From what I have seen it's all a proposed "new" project not a CoH emmulator down to new villain groups, city names, etc. A bulk of the emulator talk I have seen is here on these forums in a certain thread and since that rug can be ripped out from under anyone attempting it, at any time, it's unlikely that is the direction Titan wants to take.
I feel what the Titan Network hopes to accomplish is grand. If CoH can't be saved then Plan Z will go into effect and that will be, based on what I have read, a completely new game that is only a spiritual successor to CoH, not an emulated version of it. I, sort of, want to see them do it anyway becuse the passion involved is simply amazing.
The only talks I have seen about CoH is if NcSoft is willing to part with the IP and let it be run, possibly, by the player base. That would not be an emulator, but rather the continued existence of the game as it stands. If a development team can be gathered to continue working on it, at that point, grand. But again, this wouldn't be considdered an emulator but the continuation of the game itself, which is (from what I understand) what we all want.
NcSoft is not going to continue CoH, that much is fact. They are done with the game. The only hope we have of it being saved is in the form of another development house, even one of the player's creation.
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yep there is plan Z in the discussions but on the other hand some are talking about going the emulator way. I remember one guy over there that I Burnt the Toast has a similar name to, named Burnt Toast, is part of these talks about emulators, illegal ones included. Some went as far as saying they will copy exactly the stuff and just shuffle the servers around to prevent shut down. Some say that they are going to set up where techically copying and emulating IP is not illegal, yet still wrong as it's stealing someone else stuff IMO. Others that are part of this talk are Olantern, Sin_Stalker, TinFoil and so on. SOme are for an emulator even an illegal one, and some are against. Some say stick with plan Z some say go emulator. All on TitanNetwork forum. What? Think I didnt want anything to do with them before checking them out? Not to mention a friend over there wont leave me alone about those dang efforts and how it would be good to join them. Right, I probably go over there and say nothing but hi, and someone will start some crap talking about trolling. No thanks, but unfortunately thanks to someone in RL that wont be quiet about it I have more of an idea of what is going on over there than I wish to.
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Not sure where the emulator talk is coming from with regard to Titan's Plan Z. From what I have seen it's all a proposed "new" project not a CoH emmulator down to new villain groups, city names, etc. A bulk of the emulator talk I have seen is here on these forums in a certain thread and since that rug can be ripped out from under anyone attempting it, at any time, it's unlikely that is the direction Titan wants to take.
I feel what the Titan Network hopes to accomplish is grand. If CoH can't be saved then Plan Z will go into effect and that will be, based on what I have read, a completely new game that is only a spiritual successor to CoH, not an emulated version of it. I, sort of, want to see them do it anyway becuse the passion involved is simply amazing. The only talks I have seen about CoH is if NcSoft is willing to part with the IP and let it be run, possibly, by the player base. That would not be an emulator, but rather the continued existence of the game as it stands. If a development team can be gathered to continue working on it, at that point, grand. But again, this wouldn't be considdered an emulator but the continuation of the game itself, which is (from what I understand) what we all want. NcSoft is not going to continue CoH, that much is fact. They are done with the game. The only hope we have of it being saved is in the form of another development house, even one of the player's creation. |
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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
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With any luck Titan network will discover your identity over there and ban you. You have repeately stated that you are hostile to both a server emulator AND find the idea of Plan Z lol-tastic, therefore why should you be privy to any information dealing with either issue? |
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
yep there is plan Z in the discussions but on the other hand some are talking about going the emulator way. I remember one guy over there that I Burnt the Toast has a similar name to, named Burnt Toast, is part of these talks about emulators, illegal ones included. Some went as far as saying they will copy exactly the stuff and just shuffle the servers around to prevent shut down. Some say that they are going to set up where techically copying and emulating IP is not illegal, yet still wrong as it's stealing someone else stuff IMO. Others that are part of this talk are Olantern, Sin_Stalker, TinFoil and so on. SOme are for an emulator even an illegal one, and some are against. Some say stick with plan Z some say go emulator. All on TitanNetwork forum. What? Think I didnt want anything to do with them before checking them out? Not to mention a friend over there wont leave me alone about those dang efforts and how it would be good to join them. Right, I probably go over there and say nothing but hi, and someone will start some crap talking about trolling. No thanks, but unfortunately thanks to someone in RL that wont be quiet about it I have more of an idea of what is going on over there than I wish to.
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Not to mention your continued fangirling over NCSoft. You're a hostile entity and have no business over there. If I ran that site you'd be off it in the beat of a kitty- cat heart - which is of course at least twice as fast as a human heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
With any luck Titan network will discover your identity over there and ban you. You have repeately stated that you are hostile to both a server emulator AND find the idea of Plan Z lol-tastic, therefore why should you be privy to any information dealing with either issue?
Not to mention your continued fangirling over NCSoft. You're a hostile entity and have no business over there. If I ran that site you'd be off it in the beat of a kitty- cat heart - which is of course at least twice as fast as a human heartbeat. |
You can call it what you want to call it. You like saveCOH movement that is fine. That is your view. I dont care for it too much, and the methods are questionable, that is my view. I guess you miss the part where I said I checked them out BEFORE deciding I wanted nothing to do with them? And also the part that this RL person wont stop talking about it. He believes in it, I just so happen dont. Doesnt mean since he want to save COX and I do not really care about that movement, that doesnt mean I'm going to say "Oh well since you think that way, you are my enemy." If that is how you treat your "friends" that is your buisness.
I'm not sure about you but I dont only be friends with people that agree with everything I say and think and try to make an enemy of everyone that doesnt share my view. I cant change your mind of what you probably already decided, but even if you ran that site, there would be nothing of me to kick. If you dont want people telling me about what goes on over therem maybe make it an invite only forum. If I chose to, I dont even have to log on to see what is going on but really I dont and dont care at this point as much as they dont care or even worry about me.
You talk about fangirling, yet, you diss NCSoft while still using their property. If NCSOft disgusts that much, as you told me earlier, why not just leave because no one is holding a gun to your head. Now run and go tell that to your TItan cronies.
-Female Player-
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Seriously, you don't like it. That's been made clear. Big ******* deal.
Get over it. Some people will proceed with some things that you may not like. Yippedee friggin' doo. Get over them. Get over yourself. And stop going on and on, in every frigging post here about it. Your opinion about me, my wants, my willingness to play an emulated game of a game that has been shut down, of Tony, of Mercedes Lackey, of Titan Networks, of anyone else and anything to do with this stuff is of entirely zero consequence. Go ahead and state it once if you really want to... but, please... then be done (it's been stated hundreds of times already...blah blah blah).
Seriously. The same people keep on dragging down every single discussion into an argument, repeating the same exact opinions. You don't like it.
You want to stop it? Go ahead. Give that a try. Stop TALKING about it. No one really cares whether you approve or don't approve other than yourself.
Yeah, I know... I have no place to tell anyone to stop talking. I don't give a ****. I'm saying it. I'm generally a nice friggin' guy around here, but I'm saying it... many of you are being perpetually annoying by constantly telling everyone else how much you dislike what other people are doing.
Seriously, boo-friggin-hoo.
Make a citizen's arrest if you think it is illegal, lol.
Write a friggin' book about how lowly or laughable you think anything anyone else is doing and put it on the market and see how many people buy it and have a nice day... but, please, stop friggin' coming into every single thread where people mention their own interests involved in getting NCSoft to talk or getting an emulator up and running or trying to get NCSoft to sell or starting their own game... You (and there are way more than just one of you. If you know who you are... shame on you... if you don't know who you are... THINK!) go and do what you like and follow your own paths, but your constant spewing of negativity over what other people wish for and/or are acting upon is, quite honestly, pathetic (which is sad for you, truly) and annoying (which is sad for me).
Yep, hypocrisy... "So, you can do what you want to, but I can't do what I want to..." Which is... spout negativity about what other people are doing, over and over and over and on and on and on.
Get the **** over it. Focus on your own friggin' life and stop making yourself a clown by filling the final months of these forums with your own amazing (sarcastic... it's far from amazing) online personalities that mock, berate and dismiss every notion that hopeful, happy CoHers that intend to co0ntinue their CoHing in some form beyond when NCSoft closes their servers down.
True value of this reply? Likely zero... but maybe it'll make me feel better.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Let me put it this way. US Copyright law forbids me from transferring my copyright rights through an EULA even if I want it to.
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The one i keep finding does mention transfers of copyright ownership is valid only if it's in writing and signed...which can be argued that it's in writing (eula) and signed (click).
Sounds like that could be an interesting court case to watch.
EDIT: Of course i'm not talking about a previously copyrighted character that the owner decide to recreate in-game since that violates the EULA anyway.
Either way, unless there is a big payout of some kind, i doubt NCSoft will bother.
Unless NCSoft hires you to relay their message about any emulator efforts and products, save yourself the effort of telling people not to bother.
You come off sounding like an overeager hall monitor. Get stuffed. You're going to get shoved into a locker if you keep on spouting out your disapproval for what the others are doing. Go run and tell the principal if their efforts of making emulators offends your sensibilities... but don't act like you're the voice of reason, morality or the law, lol.
Don't do NCSoft's work for free. Let them handle whatever actions they'll wish to take.
Don't bother offering your dismissing opinion of the efforts; The people involved are intelligent and informed enough to have already thought of anything you're going to suggest about the risks. They're either going to do it or they're not and your opinion is not going to stop them and your opinion about what they are going to do and about anyone else who agrees with it does not matter one bit.
So, why, then, am I replying about it and trying to tell people to stop criticizing others (while I am doing exactly that - criticizing others)??
Simply due to the fact that I have never put anyone on ignore on these forums. And, believe me, some people really deserved it and probably would have made me a bit happier if I had (instead, those few that I couldn't stand seeing post just got filtered through my own mental ignore function).
Please, seriously... don't make me put people on ignore for this last little bit of time we have here.
I believe everyone has something of value to offer. Putting people on ignore is lame. However, if you're going to drag your negative agenda of anti-SaveCoH, anti-TitanNetwork, anti-Tony, Anti-Captain-Electric, Anti-Emulator, Anti-Me, Anti-the-Color-Puce, blah blah blah... I'm ******* DONE having you make these forums unbearable for the final few weeks.
NCSoft ended up being a heartless entity in sacking Paragon Studios with such short notice (see: zero) and shuttering a great game that has no equals out there and that could continue to be profitable enough for non-billion-dollar corporate monsters... But that's billion-dollar corporate entities for ya...
You, annoying, naysaying, troll-like pains-in-the-aft-red-spandex-area are worse than them. It's almost expected of corporate entities... but you weaselly little internet jockey muck-it-ups are entertaining yourselves at the expense of a great community of people that enjoyed being here and having friendly, entertaining, joyful and humorous exchanges.
Anyway, I am putting my own mental ignore feature back to work, but if it falters and allows any of you repeated offenders to slip through and annoy me one more time, I'm likely just going to use the ignore feature for the first, friggin' time ever here and be done with your annoying prattle (and, consequently miss anything of good value and kindness that you may offer during that time as well).
I know... you're shaking in your boots over such a serious threat, but hey... I'm crazy like that.
So, shut up. Smile. And let's have some ******* fun here... how's that sound?
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Here's hoping you feel better.
I don't know you...I mean I have seen your name here and there on the forums but I tend not to remember people as a habit. Your post is quite hypocritical; which I am sure you knew and basically stated. Not sure what gives you the "right" to tell people to shut up. The constant spewing of negativity is going both ways in case you failed to notice.
Me?? I personally cannot stand all the Anti-NCSoft BS that is being spread. I get it you don't like NCSoft... They "murdered" your community..they destroyed your "home." To that I say GET OVER IT. See there I can be just as douchey about your (not meaning you specifically.. but like you said ..they should know who they are) constant whining and tantrum fits over a business decision that NO ONE knows the full details about which is common place among big business decisions. I am tired of the self absorbed ungrateful attitude displayed on the forums like people are owed ANYTHING from NCSOft... they owe you NOTHING. You are not some victim...but damn if you can't play the role. It is a game people. If your "community" is so spectacular and all that jazz...then it should very well be able to maintain itself...heck even flourish under a new Plan Z.
You wanna know what your community looks like right now?
Spoiled brats who are gonna get back at Mom & Dad for taking away your toy. Vindictive..unorganized..childish...wannabe thugs.
I was ALL for the SaveCoH movement when it started - and here's why. It wasn't about getting even..it was about saving the game. It wasn't about doing immoral/illegal activities..it was about uniting as one voice. It wasn't about a smear campaign..it was about heroes standing tall, united, and honorably defending what they believed in.
Even when a hero is defeated...that doesn't mean they become a villain...it means they pick themselves up...dust off their clothes and get ready to fight again...like a hero...not some two bit thugs. THAT is what has been lost from the CoH movement and THAT is why I "left" it... I am a hero and I refuse to act like some ****** nozzle because things didn't go my way. I cannot in good conscience stand by with smear campaigns, nasty emails/letters being sent to NCSoft, emulators...because to me that is not what a hero does...their morality doesn't waiver when the fight gets rough..if anything their resound gets stronger..their convictions strengthen.
Instead of wasting your energy on NCSoft; who honestly could give a rat's a$$ what the SaveCoH movement is doing... take that energy and focus into something you believe in; like Plan Z. You are wasting time and energy on these minuscule smear tactics when you could be going 100% towards achieving something which is more admirable and reflects better on the community. The recent attitude change of SaveCoH seems like a waste and counter productive to saving anything; but I will be damned if it isn't destroying your image among some players.
(YES I replied to EK in this post, but when i say YOU... I am speaking in general terms of YOU not EK... You being those people who are doing the things I pointed out).
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Seriously, you don't like it. That's been made clear. Big ******* deal.
Get over it. Some people will proceed with some things that you may not like. Yippedee friggin' doo. Get over them. Get over yourself. And stop going on and on, in every frigging post here about it. Your opinion about me, my wants, my willingness to play an emulated game of a game that has been shut down, of Tony, of Mercedes Lackey, of Titan Networks, of anyone else and anything to do with this stuff is of entirely zero consequence. Go ahead and state it once if you really want to... but, please... then be done (it's been stated hundreds of times already...blah blah blah). Seriously. The same people keep on dragging down every single discussion into an argument, repeating the same exact opinions. You don't like it. You want to stop it? Go ahead. Give that a try. Stop TALKING about it. No one really cares whether you approve or don't approve other than yourself. Yeah, I know... I have no place to tell anyone to stop talking. I don't give a ****. I'm saying it. I'm generally a nice friggin' guy around here, but I'm saying it... many of you are being perpetually annoying by constantly telling everyone else how much you dislike what other people are doing. Seriously, boo-friggin-hoo. Make a citizen's arrest if you think it is illegal, lol. Write a friggin' book about how lowly or laughable you think anything anyone else is doing and put it on the market and see how many people buy it and have a nice day... but, please, stop friggin' coming into every single thread where people mention their own interests involved in getting NCSoft to talk or getting an emulator up and running or trying to get NCSoft to sell or starting their own game... You (and there are way more than just one of you. If you know who you are... shame on you... if you don't know who you are... THINK!) go and do what you like and follow your own paths, but your constant spewing of negativity over what other people wish for and/or are acting upon is, quite honestly, pathetic (which is sad for you, truly) and annoying (which is sad for me). Yep, hypocrisy... "So, you can do what you want to, but I can't do what I want to..." Which is... spout negativity about what other people are doing, over and over and over and on and on and on. Get the **** over it. Focus on your own friggin' life and stop making yourself a clown by filling the final months of these forums with your own amazing (sarcastic... it's far from amazing) online personalities that mock, berate and dismiss every notion that hopeful, happy CoHers that intend to co0ntinue their CoHing in some form beyond when NCSoft closes their servers down. True value of this reply? Likely zero... but maybe it'll make me feel better. |
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I'm not really talking about a player recreating a copyrighted character owned by that player to use in-game. That's against the EULA to use copyrighted characters anyway. Thinking mostly of someone using NCSoft assets to create a new character after they acknowledge EULA establishes that IP rights are not transferred from NCSoft to the user.|
Originally Posted by Starsman
A copyright claim like this will likely be tossed out the court automatically (one that attempted to claim ownership of some one's IP just based on an ELUA.)
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I might be seeing it differently but i keep seeing as players don't get rights to NCSoft's assets just because they use it.
Either way, it does sound like a good case to see unfold.
My Titan ID is Burnt Toast. If Titan chooses to ban me or what have you for speaking my opinion on THESE boards...so be it.
I don't consider myself a NCSoft fangirl, but I am a realist and am thankful to them for the 7+ years I got to play their product. IF I ever decided to play another MMO because it looked interesting to me, and it was made by NCSoft...I would buy it without hesitation.
The ONLY fault I have with NCSoft over the closing of CoH was the way the devs were dismissed. I am glad they got decent severance packages and I know; because of their immense talent, they will find work very soon. Any studio would be lucky to pick up any of the devs who worked on CoH.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
With any luck Titan network will discover your identity over there and ban you. You have repeately stated that you are hostile to both a server emulator AND find the idea of Plan Z lol-tastic, therefore why should you be privy to any information dealing with either issue?
Not to mention your continued fangirling over NCSoft. You're a hostile entity and have no business over there. If I ran that site you'd be off it in the beat of a kitty- cat heart - which is of course at least twice as fast as a human heartbeat. |
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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Here's hoping you feel better.
I don't know you...I mean I have seen your name here and there on the forums but I tend not to remember people as a habit. Your post is quite hypocritical; which I am sure you knew and basically stated. Not sure what gives you the "right" to tell people to shut up. The constant spewing of negativity is going both ways in case you failed to notice. Me?? I personally cannot stand all the Anti-NCSoft BS that is being spread. I get it you don't like NCSoft... They "murdered" your community..they destroyed your "home." To that I say GET OVER IT. See there I can be just as douchey about your (not meaning you specifically.. but like you said ..they should know who they are) constant whining and tantrum fits over a business decision that NO ONE knows the full details about which is common place among big business decisions. I am tired of the self absorbed ungrateful attitude displayed on the forums like people are owed ANYTHING from NCSOft... they owe you NOTHING. You are not some victim...but damn if you can't play the role. It is a game people. If your "community" is so spectacular and all that jazz...then it should very well be able to maintain itself...heck even flourish under a new Plan Z. You wanna know what your community looks like right now? Spoiled brats who are gonna get back at Mom & Dad for taking away your toy. Vindictive..unorganized..childish...wannabe thugs. I was ALL for the SaveCoH movement when it started - and here's why. It wasn't about getting even..it was about saving the game. It wasn't about doing immoral/illegal activities..it was about uniting as one voice. It wasn't about a smear campaign..it was about heroes standing tall, united, and honorably defending what they believed in. Even when a hero is defeated...that doesn't mean they become a villain...it means they pick themselves up...dust off their clothes and get ready to fight again...like a hero...not some two bit thugs. THAT is what has been lost from the CoH movement and THAT is why I "left" it... I am a hero and I refuse to act like some ****** nozzle because things didn't go my way. I cannot in good conscience stand by with smear campaigns, nasty emails/letters being sent to NCSoft, emulators...because to me that is not what a hero does...their morality doesn't waiver when the fight gets rough..if anything their resound gets stronger..their convictions strengthen. Instead of wasting your energy on NCSoft; who honestly could give a rat's a$$ what the SaveCoH movement is doing... take that energy and focus into something you believe in; like Plan Z. You are wasting time and energy on these minuscule smear tactics when you could be going 100% towards achieving something which is more admirable and reflects better on the community. The recent attitude change of SaveCoH seems like a waste and counter productive to saving anything; but I will be damned if it isn't destroying your image among some players. (YES I replied to EK in this post, but when i say YOU... I am speaking in general terms of YOU not EK... You being those people who are doing the things I pointed out). |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
True value of this reply? Likely zero... but maybe it'll make me feel better.
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All I have to do is ask myself--why are they posting the same things this often? Some, though not all, of these people were barely around the forums before the closure announcement. They barely (or never) came around and didn't feel a desire to participate until the awful news struck. THIS was the moment when some of these people began participating--but it was for anything but commiseration. Think about that for a moment. Let it sink in. What sort of person would spend their time like that?
The answer is, I've got no clue. I'm not actually interested in finding out. Not someone I'd want to be trapped in an elevator with. Soon it won't matter anyway, and our time here is too thin and too valuable.
Admittedly, in this thread I was relieved when Tony and Codewalker and a couple others stepped in to contest a few outstanding claims. Some of what has been said here is what I set out to achieve with my nuked thread. Thanks, guys, for coming in and doing what I was denied the opportunity to do: respond to largely inaccurate and exaggerated claims.
I'm off to go play the game. You know, that thing at the center of all of this? It's still there--but not for long.
@Captain-Electric � Detective Marvel � The Sapien Spider � Moravec Man � The Old Norseman
Dark-Eyes � Doctor Serpentine � Stonecaster � Skymaiden � The Blue Jaguar
Guide to Altitis � A Comic for New Players � The Lore Project � Intro to extraterrestrials in CoH
I'm not going to report any emulators I see, but that's because I won't touch them. I had a bad experience with an EQ emulator once and know exactly how quickly they can be ripped away. I do not want to risk invested time, again. I want a stable home for my creations and the emulators are on shakey ground, especially since NcSoft has gone after them before.
I would rather efforts go toward a surefire bet, a new game. If a new game rises, with players behind it, NcSoft will have a very big black eye. They won't be able to do anything but sit back and go, "oops, we created our own compeition." Not to mention the huge amount of PR and support we would get from the gaming community. With an emulator you would seriously want zero public exposure and that just feels wrong. I will proudly support Plan Z, but the emulators... too risky for my creative process.
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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Here's hoping you feel better.
I don't know you...I mean I have seen your name here and there on the forums but I tend not to remember people as a habit. Your post is quite hypocritical; which I am sure you knew and basically stated. Not sure what gives you the "right" to tell people to shut up. The constant spewing of negativity is going both ways in case you failed to notice. Me?? I personally cannot stand all the Anti-NCSoft BS that is being spread. I get it you don't like NCSoft... They "murdered" your community..they destroyed your "home." To that I say GET OVER IT. See there I can be just as douchey about your (not meaning you specifically.. but like you said ..they should know who they are) constant whining and tantrum fits over a business decision that NO ONE knows the full details about which is common place among big business decisions. I am tired of the self absorbed ungrateful attitude displayed on the forums like people are owed ANYTHING from NCSOft... they owe you NOTHING. You are not some victim...but damn if you can't play the role. It is a game people. If your "community" is so spectacular and all that jazz...then it should very well be able to maintain itself...heck even flourish under a new Plan Z. You wanna know what your community looks like right now? Spoiled brats who are gonna get back at Mom & Dad for taking away your toy. Vindictive..unorganized..childish...wannabe thugs. I was ALL for the SaveCoH movement when it started - and here's why. It wasn't about getting even..it was about saving the game. It wasn't about doing immoral/illegal activities..it was about uniting as one voice. It wasn't about a smear campaign..it was about heroes standing tall, united, and honorably defending what they believed in. Even when a hero is defeated...that doesn't mean they become a villain...it means they pick themselves up...dust off their clothes and get ready to fight again...like a hero...not some two bit thugs. THAT is what has been lost from the CoH movement and THAT is why I "left" it... I am a hero and I refuse to act like some ****** nozzle because things didn't go my way. I cannot in good conscience stand by with smear campaigns, nasty emails/letters being sent to NCSoft, emulators...because to me that is not what a hero does...their morality doesn't waiver when the fight gets rough..if anything their resound gets stronger..their convictions strengthen. Instead of wasting your energy on NCSoft; who honestly could give a rat's a$$ what the SaveCoH movement is doing... take that energy and focus into something you believe in; like Plan Z. You are wasting time and energy on these minuscule smear tactics when you could be going 100% towards achieving something which is more admirable and reflects better on the community. The recent attitude change of SaveCoH seems like a waste and counter productive to saving anything; but I will be damned if it isn't destroying your image among some players. (YES I replied to EK in this post, but when i say YOU... I am speaking in general terms of YOU not EK... You being those people who are doing the things I pointed out). |
This.
This right here spells it out perfectly.
Oh, not at all what you intended, but exactly what has been apparent and what gives me the right to be hypocritical and call you and the handful of others out on it.
You (you know who you are) have been overly judgmental to obnoxious degrees of other people as though you are higher above them and looking down upon them as you lay down your almighty decree, as though that you are somehow worthy of judging all of these people in such fashion. And you do so. And you do so repeatedly and speak down to them obnoxiously.
The obnoxious views you have of a league of people within this community has been completely transparent throughout the messages you and a few others have typed during the past weeks.
Your deluded, self-righteousness and belief that you are greater than these others and should dish out your judgments of them and direct them to better courses of actions, because, of course, your own opinions are objectively better and more mature has been apparent and that is exactly what is wrong with it, mate.Right.
Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about. Thank you very much. I do feel much better now.
Your unasked for ultimate judgements of these people's characters and decisions - and your belief and practice of you being someone so high and mighty to warrant dishing out such high-horsed and harsh judgments - speaks not of those that you judge, but only of your own self.
And, your "habit" of tending "not to remember people" also speaks of yourself. I really don't mind, but I am the guy that sent you a PM on the Titan Forums that "made (you) smile".
Again, this only speaks of you.
An easy and simpleminded response is that I am once again charging ahead with ultimate hypocrisy, but I am simply calling out those who have believed themselves so mighty so as to offer their unwanted, unheeded and unnecessary judgements of other people's character. I judge nothing else amongst those of you who've done this other than that your obnoxious judgments have been duly noted and are entirely pointless other than to single you out as people acting like ******** on the internet.
I don't care if you judge me any which way for any of that. I am glad to call you and the others out on it and it matters not one bit what any of you think about it.
I learned long ago that it is a very rare obnoxious person that can recognize that they are obnoxious. If they knew it was, they probably wouldn't truly be that way.
Thank you.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Thank you, Cap'n. I don't know how universal that reputation is, haha, but I am flattered that just one person would say such a thing. |
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Actually I think it says something that a handful of people have managed to get under the skin of someone who's universally known for their good nature and humor and patience around here.
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I seriously just don't like to see rude people bully social atmospheres into such states. I'm that guy in the movie theater that asks/tells that noisy person/group to be quiet. I'll confront the drunk guy picking a fight with someone at a party. And I'll take troll aggro on the internet, if need be.
Haha, don't anyone think I am talking myself as some kind of hero for any of that, lol. I'm just willing to be the anti-jerk in any and all situations. The anti-jerk is not about being the opposite of a jerk, but simply willing to risk others thinking I am also a jerk for taking on the initial jerks.
<-- This dude just can't abide.
Sorry, all that I really meant to say is - the same thing that makes me the patient, humorous nice guy is what makes me jump at people acting like jerks. be respectful, smile, have fun and crack some jokes, damnit... or else!
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
The same few people keep starting the same fires. This thread is a perfect example. Any OP that dares bring up NCSoft's poor handling of Paragon Studios and City of Heroes gets the same squad of deflectors coming in to change the subject to Plan Z and emulators. I wonder why?
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
All I have to do is ask myself--why are they posting the same things this often? Some, though not all, of these people were barely around the forums before the closure announcement. They barely (or never) came around and didn't feel a desire to participate until the awful news struck. THIS was the moment when some of these people began participating--but it was for anything but commiseration. Think about that for a moment. Let it sink in. What sort of person would spend their time like that?
The answer is, I've got no clue. I'm not actually interested in finding out. Not someone I'd want to be trapped in an elevator with. Soon it won't matter anyway, and our time here is too thin and too valuable. |
Those few are really nothing to worry about. It's sick, really, but people are easily willing to separate personal aspects of far greater things than internet interactions. It sucks, but people can just be ******** and far far worse (unfortunately... in far different circumstances than this). So, it's not all that surprising... a shame, however, no doubt.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Admittedly, in this thread I was relieved when Tony and Codewalker and a couple others stepped in to contest a few outstanding claims. Some of what has been said here is what I set out to achieve with my nuked thread. Thanks, guys, for coming in and doing what I was denied the opportunity to do: respond to largely inaccurate and exaggerated claims.
I'm off to go play the game. You know, that thing at the center of all of this? It's still there--but not for long. |
Anyway... excelsior!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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I'm not out for NCSoft blood. I just want to warn people what they might be getting into by investing their time and money into an NCSoft product. NCSoft has shown that they can not be trusted.|
Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
bunch of stuff here that would make the post way too long.
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I also want NCSoft to figure out that they have done much harm to the community here. We want NCSoft to acknowledge what they have done. Sometimes, when talking doesn't seem to get the person's attention, speaking louder might. If that doesn't work, then a tap to the shoulder. If that doesn't work. You might have to use a 2x4. In this case, the 2x4 is our wallets. If you wish to enable NCSoft to continue to do business as usual, that is your prerogative. We would like for them to actually become a company that actually cares about its customers and not just the almighty dollar (or what ever currency they worship over there). You know, a company like Paragon Studios was before they were suddenly closed down without notice.
As for "focusing my energy on Plan Z", I do not have the programming skills, I do have programming skills (rusty as they may be), to be a meaningful contributor to the efforts of coding whatever they are doing for Plan Z. Therefore, wherever else I focus my energy will be better than getting in the way of the guys that are doing something about Plan Z.
Which, right now, is warning people about NCSoft's penchant for closing down games that are doing well. But, just aren't in line with the company's "redirected focus" of less family friendly Asian grind-fests. And you can't tell me that Blade and Soul is not less family friendly than CoH.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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If Plan Z is what I understand (an all new game that just happens to take heavy inspiration from CoH) the risk for lawsuits (that actually make it to court) are zero (unless they go stupid and rip assets from CoH to use in their project.)|
Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Is the RISK of a lawsuit enough deterrent for Titan to abandon ALL affiliation with emulation if it means the future of Plan Z?? Too bad these boards will be gone in a few weeks; because I think that would be one helluva "I told you so."
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Mind you, without game development experience, the chances of it ever being finished or being completed within a 4 year window are also near zero, not entirely zero. I would not discourage them from attempting it if thats what they want to spend their time doing.
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Sorry for late response...i somehow glossed over this for some reason.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The statement implies that the judgment was primarily based on 17.12, 1201: "Circumvention of copyright protection systems." The WoW private server actively bypassed copy protection systems built into WoW to prevent WoW clients from running on unauthorized servers.
City of Heroes has no such protections to break. |
The part about circumvention was the authentication (account verification) system which all subscription games have including CoX.
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But again, Blizzard went after them because WoW is still running and the emulator service was damaging that business. I'm not sure how much incentive there would be to go after emulators to a defunct game as this soon will be.
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If I understand the case correctly, that's the summary of what they sued over, but the way they won was by proving the hackers broke copy protection systems built into the game.|
Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Sorry for late response...i somehow glossed over this for some reason.
The part about circumvention was the authentication (account verification) system which all subscription games have including CoX. |
Due to the amount of hacking that goes on in WoW, they have implemented a lot of protection systems, things that scan the computer for memory scans and a bunch other anti-cheat protection. Stuff that had to be broken to achieve the emulation.
CoH has no such protections.
I thought the defendent failed to appear and the court ruled for default judgement in favor of Blizzard.
Let me check that again.
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