With those new pool powers, origin pools, pools customization... Make petless MM worthy?

One good point is "Why can you only have 1 specialized pool?" Are they THAT overpowered that they are so much better than 3 AT powers it would be unbalancing? Not that I've seen.

Almost all still require you to take a power you probably don't want, or don't want much. I say if you have that many picks to spend take all the PP sets and specialzed powers you want.

wow i will never understand haters SO vehemently hating on things that others do for their own pleasurable gameplay when it doesnt really affect them.

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Originally Posted by Siolfir Fair enough. So a total of two concepts, and even then if you're using animals to attack with how does the concept not involve using WOLVES to do damage?

fixed.

:edit: to be honest, my semi-petless MM is a beast, and he has the direwolf only cuz it IS a great pet. the others suck, imo. and bird blast for the win, is the coolest power ever.

They don't have to use wolves. They could just use kitties instead.

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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

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Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.

Paladiamors, you're mostly right, but there really are some absurdly crazy haters in game i have met that have given me grief as i'm standing in atlas once they read my bio/powers and see that i have no pets. O_O

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Originally Posted by Siolfir They don't have to use wolves. They could just use kitties instead.

i'm allergic. and they're boring. XD ...now if they were PANTHERS i'd be all over that.

I need to do something before I24 goes live in a couple of months.
I dont have any current proyect, so I made up my mind, going to give it a try.
GuyPerfect has convinced me.

Hmmm...to answer the OP...

Worthy? Worthy as in? Could they fill you're spot with someone better? Well. Yeah. No matter how much you build the character, anyone else equally built will be a better choice over you.

Now, I don't think this means you're going to be carried by your team.

You still have the buffs/debuffs. And I don't recall MM numbers being all that different from Corrs, so you'll be helping out in that department easily enough.

I don't know if I count "soloing EBs" as that great of an achievement, especially with expensive builds.

But, if you find it fun, go for it.

If you get denied a team or kicked or tells saying whatever, there's always a different team or /gignore.

And your IOed out Petless MM is likely equal to at least a SO'ed out character, so you have that going for you! Could even be the counter arguement to anyone who says they're carring you!

"I'm better than a SO'ed So and So AT/Powerset, do you consider yourself carring them when they join the team?"

See!

@ the OP

If your going to make a petless mastermind you need to understand that a petless mastermind is VERY Endurance heavy. You will need to probably 6 slot stamina and maybe need to have some sort of endurance recover power like power sink.

Your best bet is go with Traps because it offers you defense cap. You can go Dark but be mindful that Darkest night might offer you at most 18% Debuff so you will need your defenses in the high 20s at least to be capped out. Loosing Darkest Night can be bad as well.

Currently I have a Semi Petless Mastermind Demon Traps. I have the last pet for thematic reasons. I was going to make a RP toon but I didn't like the look of the female toons so I did a server change back and forth for a new name and made him male instead.

I do find the last pet helpful but I need to keep him on Aggressive so he is out of body guard mode. Otherwise he takes too much damage. When I do 4/8 content he dies pretty fast anyways from aggro so I don't rely on him much. If I have him summoned I keep him behind me on all pet stay and then just command him to attack what I have already aggroed. But once he dies I won't bother resummoning until after a fight if anything.

I currently did a video which I posted doing 4/8 DA content. It is a short video and it was in rebuttal to someone saying that a full Robot Traps could not handle DA content without using trap "gimmicks". Yes it was tough. I did it without using judgement or hybrid power and without using the gimmicks this person commented about, along with some other restrictions on bomb placement to prove a point even further. Regardless I did survive several mobs before I suffered from what appears to be cascade defense failure. I did a second video using all my powers and did a bit better.

I also fought Hero's ( the arch villain equivalent ) on +1/0. I destroyed a Pylon to see if I could.

End result regular content is not an issue on 4/8.

I picked up my Alpha with the unlock from OB and sent over a a bunch of threads to make it up to T3. I then made a 2nd build with just SOs and ran the Incarnate missions. No one had a clue that my SO build was gimpier then my Petless build because their narrow minds seen I had 6 pets so all was good. Little did they know I had half the defenses, debuffs my Petless build had.

Many players even on these forums have limited knowledge of game mechanics and many at most just mimic someone elses build because someone told them it was good, but in reality have no clue. So when they hear petless mastermind they begin to do their best Frankenstein impression of "Fire Bad" because they don't know any better. Again because they don't understand the game mechanics.

Now I am NOT here to say Petless mastermind is better then a scrapper. But the right build can solo 4/8 regular content and solo at least 2/6 DA content. I am 100% positive there are people that have scrappers, tanks and brutes that can't do that. I am pretty darn sure if I could look into the stable of the same people posting here I would find toons that could but can't because of poor builds.

Then you have the poster that has 50 toons and none over 30 or has 2 level 50s out of those 30 and none with incarnates, but has been playing since the game started.

I am also not saying that a Petless mastermind can kill faster then a scrapper, but I will say it can kill and at a reasonable pace. Again much faster then someone who can't do 4/8.

I took a look at the new powers added to the power pools today. I see nothing special that is worth taking that would require 3 powers from the pool. You could take 3 powers from fighting to get that cross punch, but you would be better getting Fire Ball or Fire Blast as an example.

End result unless your not looking for a min/max build and fighting higher content then 1/1, then anything should be fine. If your looking to max out then your pretty much pigeon holed into Traps and Dark.

I currently have 2 Dark builds I might be considering. The first one is DS (no pets) and Beast Mastery ( again last pet ).

The DS Dark was going to use Spring attack along with other attacks. I had Scorpion Shield and mid range defenses that Darkest Night would help out but then was considering another build which incorporated fire power pool for bon fire with the new proc. and fire attacks. Need to see which one I will go with. I am still working out the builds.

my SO scrappers tanks brutes and just about ANY AT of mine cant solo *much*[operative word here, meaning some, but not a lot] beyond the basic x1+0 lol and i SO and pick slots pretty decently. any and all of my trollers/doms/defs/corrs/blasters do not do any content over +2 x2 on their own, fully SO with a few IO bonuses either cuz i dont like to die solo- and that's only my best ones i've been working on for a while at that level. the meelee ATs might be able to do more, but I just dont like meelee. I dont bother with complete IO powa-powa because i dont get joy from spending all that time playing the market and farming moneys and tinkering with Mids.

but i might for a petless/semi-petless modeled after plainguy or guyperfect's advice and builds, they have offered much insight into successfully playing an AT beyond it's designed gameplay, and people can either accept that, or move on.


i think semi-petless works better for me because i usually pick /Storm. also fun fact... 'Hell on Earth' doesnt have to rely on a demon to work ;D which only furthers the desire to have the powerset sans the GIANT UGLY NOISY BUTTS-IN-MY-FACE, imo.




que alt NPC models for MM pets unlocked via badges! ^_^ npc transform powers for pets! user interface update! coding nightmare! let's get it done!