With those new pool powers, origin pools, pools customization... Make petless MM worthy?

Follow your heart man..

You've inspired me to be less then i can truly be. I've made two awesome MM's with pets so far, and they're my favorite AT. Now instead of turning it up to eleven, lets turn it down... To about four, maybe five.

Is it doable? Yes. People like Plainguy have proven that it can be done. Will it ever be good? Eh, debatable. If you toss in Veteran powers, temporary powers, and later Incarnate powers then you'll be...doing more damage at least. But the problem is that Masterminds are balanced around having an army, so personal damage is low, and nothing is really going to change that. Secondaries are balanced around the same assumption, often resulting in reduced range and efficiency. About the best you can ever hope to be is a gimped defender.

That being said, if you want to do it, do it. You don't HAVE to have to take anything. Just understand that you won't be reaching anywhere near your full potential, and that there are probably people who aren't going to really like you coming into a team with 'gimp' status.

Petless masterminds CAN be done. Just like an amorless tanker CAN be done. But it defeats the purpose and anything else CAN be done better. It will take a lot of effort and skill to make it viable. If you shove enough money down its throat you can solo x8, like Plainguy. But if you shove an equal amount of money down the throat of something that wasn't gimped from the start you will solo 4x8 much, much faster.

It is as simple as that. It can be done, if you shove enough money into it it can actually be done well. But it is still silly.

Here's the thing.

Try it out. Like any other powerset choice, but especially one where you're deliberately hamstringing yourself, it's down to you to see if it's fun or not.

Worried about a team? Find friends. Your friends may razz you about your weird build, but they probably won't boot you for no reason, barring they were trying to do a speed run of something or other. If you're PuG-ing all the time, you take what you can get(same as always).

And, given how long it takes to get to around 22 these days, it's not really that much to test to at least SO range, is it? Plus, if you DFB to 22, you'll only be running around with a handful of powers (level 8 is what? 6 power picks?), so you'll be about as hamstrung as everybody else in the team anyways.

I skipped the tier 1 pets on my Demon MM, primarily because most tier 1 pets die too quick. Getting to 12 wasn't so bad.

you know what would be cool?

if MM inherents worked like Defender inherents and the base dmg and base [whatever, survuvability] was better if you dont have any active pets [like defender solo/small team] and then went back down to normal-for-mm-with-pets-which-is-still-optimal.

eh?





also, yay new UI allowing for moar customization! how about alt models for pets using "npc transform powers" like we have for players, on pets, to allow for other npc options from the zillions that would make sense. alt npc modelsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss........*poof*


:edit: maybe the inherent could get a fix to help MM's for when pets suddenly die, or they prefer to go petless and give a little more survivability [though there's really only two sets worth going petless for anyway so this would be mostly for ppl who's pets die easy *looks at the dogs and ninjas and mercs*]

I'm flying back home tomorrow, so I'll get a video set up showcasing the character in its current form. It's on Virtue if anyone wants to head in-game and see it today, though.

So you can take out an EB. With IOs.

My MM with pets can take out GMs. Without IOs.

So like I said. A petless MM can be done and it can be done well, but it defeats the purpose of being an MM in the first place. In your case, why not be a DP/Poison corruptor? You'd have more damage, more attacks, better values for /Poison, more health...

There isn't even a conceptual reason, because you'll get all the same attacks.

The only reason I can think of is a personal challenge.

Or whip melee if you go demon summoning.