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It's the part where it says "we pump stuff directly into your brain" that anyone who has one should say "you first" and stick their heads in the damn thing.| No way that anyone could know that they would be trapped in the game. |
It's not an exact match, but close enough: never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain.
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Does the game feature a crafting/gathering system ala most fantasy MMOs?
If so technically you could completely screw with the game using out of game knowledge unless they're physically limited into what they can and cannot craft.
I mean sure gunpowder isn't exactly easy to make and it's highly volatile but with the right chemical knowledge plus a local friendly blacksmith crafting copper sphere outer casings, a tailor making parafin soaked fuses of various lengths you could really screw the game over by become "the mad bomber who bombs a midnight" in a sword only fantasy game.
Of course if it lacks a gathering and crafting system then you're pretty much out of luck.
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Originally Posted by Venture
It's the part where it says "we pump stuff directly into your brain" that anyone who has one should say "you first" and stick their heads in the damn thing.
It's not an exact match, but close enough: never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain. |
I'd be like Bones in ST "Trust a transporter?! You're joking right?!"
But again. I was just going along with the question that said "You did buy it!"
I'm sure there could be some other way to stop it. I mean, having everyone just sitting around town, not killing anything, and just wasting the creators time sounds like a viable solution.
I just don't think it would be a possible one.
There's always the one troll.But ont he other hand, Im sure there'd likely be lots who said "Death or ERP?" and the creator would go "OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE?!"
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I play games to relax and do as little physical work as possible.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
But it's virtual reality! VIRTUAL! REALITY!
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This game seems to override that edict by replacing my stimulous with simulated effort. Simulated but still effort. Same reason I don't buy systems for their motion-controllers; I like my windows and furnture intact.
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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This seems like a case where, assuming the game has random monsters and leveling up doesn't require PVP fighting, cooperation would quickly solve the problem as long as most of the game's population is willing to do so. Everyone bands together in the first town. Any PK trolls that want to run around causing trouble get treated just like criminals in a frontier town: they're caught and imprisoned by the appointed authorities. Now, with everyone safe and allied together, it's just a matter of figuring out the best farming methods and then going out in shifts and farming like crazy until everyone's at the max level. After that, go to the tower as an army and secure each floor (this can also be happening while the farming's going on, with squadrons moving gradually up the tower as the population can safely do so), and finally take out the final boss in max-leveled waves consisting of however many people are allowed to challenge it at once, one after the other, until everyone's safely out.
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Still not a problem. Where I live worst case scenario is I'd be "trapped" only until my family "needed" me to do something "important" and they'd physically disconnect me so they can yell at me for ignoring them.|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
The game system connects to the mind so without the proper passwords, then there is no way to stop the game on your end. Any way to delete the game would require external effort and probably has safeguards to prevent or hinder tampering. The essence of the problem is that there are 10,000 players that are trapped in a game with no way to get out as far as the players know.
An amusing moment in the anime was when the dev made every avatar look like the player. So the classic male playing as a female to get good loot for free from other players turns into a male. Resulting in an awkward situation. |
If I was living alone then worst case scenario I'd be stuck until my utility and internet services were disconnected for lack of payment.
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But ont he other hand, Im sure there'd likely be lots who said "Death or ERP?" and the creator would go "OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE?!"
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Death, definetly death!!!
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Originally Posted by eth_Nargy
Yep, when your brain is gone, you can't make money and therefore can't spend money on the game.
Good work, you really showed em! But yeah, don't really wanna read/watch this. Seen the concept way too many times for it to interest me anymore. |
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
It's not your character dying that you should be worried about:
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That presumes I believe the threat is real, which I don't. Or that if I could be convinced it was real that I still wouldn't be willing to disconnect because I believe death is preferrable to losing my freedom and being a guinea pig.
I logged out of real life once. True story.
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Virtual reality requires less physical effort than current video games. With a controller, you still have to sit up and press buttons. VR is using your brain signals as a controller which is no more strenuous than watching TV. You just sit back and interact with the game in your head.|
Originally Posted by Tyger
I play games to relax and do as little physical work as possible.
This game seems to override that edict by replacing my stimulous with simulated effort. Simulated but still effort. Same reason I don't buy systems for their motion-controllers; I like my windows and furnture intact. |
VR also has the application of allowing the disabled to play or training since one can program a simulation as being as realistic as the real world.
What happens if I start greifing? Can they ban me from the game?
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I logged out of real life once. True story.
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From the title, I thought that this was going to be a thread to celebrate the humiliating collapse of Bioware's WoW-killing galactic fanfiction extravaganza.
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Lets eliminate the villain and try again. A company offers to provide a virtual reality experience no one has experienced before. There is no precedent for this experience. You're being asked to test it. There is no way to exit the game except through its virtual interface.|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
The can't logout feature was something that was introduced when the game went live without a mention in the patch notes. So basically, it is the first day of launch of an awesome game that tons of gamers want to play. No way that anyone could know that they would be trapped in the game.
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Bugs Cryptic/Paragon Studios have introduced into City of Heroes:
1. Missions with no lower geometry
2. Missions with no victory condition
3. Missions that cannot be exited without disconnection
4. Mapserver bugs that zone you to random instances with no running mission
5. Mapserver bugs that zone you into other players' missions
6. Game engine bugs that cause server-wide crashes
7. Bugs that scramble your avatar's data
8. Bugs that eliminate your ability to communicate with anyone else
9. Bugs that freeze your client indefinitely
10. Bugs that delete your character completely
Without a failsafe way to experience and exit the game, I wouldn't enter someone's virtual reality powerpoint presentation. A virtual reality game with even the theoretical capability of doing what SAO does, even if no one could figure out how to do it, would be one of the greatest evolution accelerators since the Black Death. Volunteering for SAO would be more insane than volunteering to be the first passengers to fly a pilotless commercial airliner powered by an autopilot running on the Sony Playstation Network.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Without a failsafe way to experience and exit the game, I wouldn't enter someone's virtual reality powerpoint presentation. A virtual reality game with even the theoretical capability of doing what SAO does, even if no one could figure out how to do it, would be one of the greatest evolution accelerators since the Black Death. Volunteering for SAO would be more insane than volunteering to be the first passengers to fly a pilotless commercial airliner powered by an autopilot running on the Sony Playstation Network.
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It wasn't until the Live, Day one launch of SAO that the apparently God Complex Crazy SAO & VR System Creator pulled the logout and called that a Feature. Apparently during the Beta, the thousand testers could login & out at will. And from what little backstory is mentioned so far, the VR System was a safe platform for various gaming applications. SAO was the the system's first MMO.
And it's that aspect, to an extent, I find interesting and frightening. More of how could the creator been allowed to pull such a act in the first place? Granted there should of been some kind in-game player command or action that could allow the user to remove the helmet and force a disconnect. Of course that is assuming that the 'fry your Brain like an Egg' wasn't in place...
Thank you for the time...
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Chinese manga 1/2 Prince has a similar setting that crops up very late in the manga, where the characters are basically fighting the game's now self-aware AI, and if they die in game their characters are gone for good and they can't log back in. Which seems like a more realistic scenario, if you accept that the game could develop a true AI. 
Also makes me think of the Dreamland Chronicles by William Mark Simmons which was silly fun, and involved a virtual fantasy world run by an organic computer that turned out to think for itself as well (and players get trapped in-game also, of course).
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Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
And that's the thing Arcana....
It wasn't until the Live, Day one launch of SAO that the apparently God Complex Crazy SAO & VR System Creator pulled the logout and called that a Feature. Apparently during the Beta, the thousand testers could login & out at will. And from what little backstory is mentioned so far, the VR System was a safe platform for various gaming applications. SAO was the the system's first MMO. And it's that aspect, to an extent, I find interesting and frightening. |
Even the non-crazy version of SAO promised to be an interesting day for the people who decided to donate their brains to the cause.
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See, this is the point I would have been reluctant about if it were not true. That is, the fact that in this world, VR is something already used and tested to work, there could be various programs in that world where it's used to train soldiers and workers, from pilots to doctors and shown it *WORKS*...that someone pushed and used it for video games was probably one of the first few applications of the technology...|
Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
And that's the thing Arcana....
It wasn't until the Live, Day one launch of SAO that the apparently God Complex Crazy SAO & VR System Creator pulled the logout and called that a Feature. Apparently during the Beta, the thousand testers could login & out at will. And from what little backstory is mentioned so far, the VR System was a safe platform for various gaming applications. SAO was the the system's first MMO. |
That the VR basically expanded to MMOs is a slightly difference concept since you'd be interacting with other minds beside your own.
If the tech were built, tested and used in that world and shown to work, I'd probably would actually join a beta for one of the first VR MMOs if it were a game theme I was interested in. Finding out I can't log out after the fact might happen even after reading up on every grain of information about the game. Still gotta think about this...it'd probably help if I watched/read whatever this was about...it's an anime you say?
As for Arcana, she's not trying to answer hypothetical situations. She's only trying to defeat the question so no fun trying to discuss it with her
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
A virtual reality game with even the theoretical capability of doing what SAO does, even if no one could figure out how to do it, would be one of the greatest evolution accelerators since the Black Death.
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Is "evolution accelerator" a term of art?
http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes#
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First, it started out as a Japanese Light Novel series. Then there have been Manga and Anime adaptations. The Anime started airing beginning of July. Apparently Crunchyroll has the legal net rights to it. Links for that and translations for the novels and scanlations of the Manga can be found in the Tropes link I gave up thread.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Still gotta think about this...it'd probably help if I watched/read whatever this was about...it's an anime you say?
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Thank you for the time...
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Heres another couple points for Arcanaville
How many times in the last 2 years has one of COH's servers gone wonkey?
Be it zone, pvp or just the login interface? Yes NC soft just upgraded them but still we get bugs.
Next off could someones system be it pc or game console actually stay on for 2 years and not error message or overheat.
Lastly how the hell can there NOT be patches in that game. It not even about fixing exploits, its about making sure that somthing that may have frayed codewise gets fixed. I dont care how well you beta a program, the sample size in a beta is usually too small to get the problems that crop up when you pour a couple hundred thou people onto your servers.
Without some insane redundncy and a nuclear generator powering the game servers there is no way in hell that any server could stay up for more than 6 months with 10000+ folks using memory, creating more data and and the demands placed on the scenery 24/7.
But this is fiction so we overlook things like that.
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Or you could, ya know, say since their technology has progressed to such a level as using VR, they have overcome or greatly mitigated those limitations since it's fiction.|
Originally Posted by Head_Kracker
But this is fiction so we overlook things like that. |
No one wants to really read about how they do all that except for the niche group that are knowledgeable about that kind of stuff.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
As for Arcana, she's not trying to answer hypothetical situations. She's only trying to defeat the question so no fun trying to discuss it with her
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| Volunteering for SAO would be more insane than volunteering to be the first passengers to fly a pilotless commercial airliner powered by an autopilot running on the Sony Playstation Network. |
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