Do you look forward to more Incarnate slots? What would you want to see?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-07-30 19:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'm definitely looking forward to more slots and like several other people in this thread I'm hoping for some more passive buffs rather than more click powers.
In many ways Alpha is my favorite slot, it enhances my character's powers rather than giving me a new generic power. I would be ecstatic if we got a new slot that was powerset-specific (i.e. every powerset in the game gets a unique Incarnate tree, you can use a power only from the trees corresponding to your character's Primary/Secondary) but I'm realistic enough to know that will never happen. So to that end I'd love to see another slot like Alpha that provides a passive buff to your existing powers.
First things first: What Omega needs to be is a Custom Signature POwer.
Genesis is probably going to be either a swarm summon (Think Gang War) or possibly a Clicky self buff.
Mind: MEZ. Probably either going to be a strong group mez, or add mez procs to attacks.
Vitae: If Genesis is not a Clicky Buff, this will be. Otherwise, I could see perhaps more alpha-style enhancements.
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Cut me some slack, my memory was off for how long of a gap their was between COV launching and it getting it's 41-50 content. :P To be fair it WAS about 5 or so years ago.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
8 months = a full year?
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This, pretty much. |
Originally Posted by eth_Nargy
Why would I want to work towards something that can only be used in something that I'm grinding in order to work towards something I can only use while grinding for more of the same thing?
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I mean, would you grind Positron so you'd have powers that can only be used on the Posi TF?
The content supporting the system should have been more extensive to begin with - solo/small team as well as trials. Sure, I'll run 1-2 trials with freshly incarnated 50s - but then they mostly sit. DA isn't interesting enough to repeat over and over and over and over again.
Of course, I know they couldn't put more Incarnate content out without moving people from *other* areas that need work. But still, there's little to nothing out there making me go "OMG, I really have to work on getting more Incarnate levels/powers!" I'd rather run another alt.
when you make drastic claims, you get held to a standard. coh is always getting "killed" by something yet is still around long after its supposed killers have floundered. it was tiresome then and is tiresome now.
Similarly, source on the "nerfs" leading to jack leaving? He took a good portion of cryptic to work on the supposed marvel mmo, he didnt leave because of some pressure from a subset of the game's community. In fact, the old subscription charts have cov being the highest subscription point in coh's history, following issue 4 and in the middle of ed, so I will need to see some credible source on that claim.
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I do recall most of the "COH killer" posts here just as well as I recall the Elephant in the room's many supposed killers, and I have to agree it is pretty tiresome.|
Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
when you make drastic claims, you get held to a standard. coh is always getting "killed" by something yet is still around long after its supposed killers have floundered. it was tiresome then and is tiresome now.
Similarly, source on the "nerfs" leading to jack leaving? He took a good portion of cryptic to work on the supposed marvel mmo, he didnt leave because of some pressure from a subset of the game's community. In fact, the old subscription charts have cov being the highest subscription point in coh's history, following issue 4 and in the middle of ed, so I will need to see some credible source on that claim. |
As for a source? Don't have one. I just like to think that's what really happened. The amount of hate spewing from the forums during those days was insane, and it was all directed towards him, his vision, and his often qouted misunderstanding of his own game. Then he just oneday leaves for another project which was canceled( yes I know what it became!) while we got Posi and the game steadily improved one he took over.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
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well, the funny thing is, coh was looking shaky post cov, but not because of ed. that is when(supposedly, information not officially confirmed) the devs got pared down to 15, i dunno if you remember but i7-i8 also took around 6 months. they did the best they could but with a very limited staff. (and, for the time it took, issue 8 had a lot of stuff, including wings, which were a big thing) so the closest coh was to dying was by starvation from cryptic.|
Originally Posted by Matthew_Orlock
I do recall most of the "COH killer" posts here just as well as I recall the Elephant in the room's many supposed killers, and I have to agree it is pretty tiresome.
As for a source? Don't have one. I just like to think that's what really happened. The amount of hate spewing from the forums during those days was insane, and it was all directed towards him, his vision, and his often qouted misunderstanding of his own game. Then he just oneday leaves for another project which was canceled( yes I know what it became!) while we got Posi and the game steadily improved one he took over. |
oh and how about actually go on opic. incarnate stuff is interesting, no question, i like the buffs, like the power, and given the generally freindly raiding community on liberty, I enjoy the raids. people listen but nobody loses their mind if you make a mistake. I am going to be interested in seeing how they add 4 more powers without becoming obtrusive, where you are more reliant on being an incarnate than being what you are, classwise, but So far the stuff has been good, and the hybrid discussion in beta showed they are open to input and working with the community. i still care more about costumes and alternate animations, but incarnate stuff is a nice little additional thing once you have level capped.
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Pretty much this. With how much power we got in the first slots there isn't much left they can add that can impress me.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Actually, honestly, I think I look forward to more incarnate content than I do new powers. The trials are alright but really they're pretty quick. Dark Astoria and the Emperor's sword are fantastic, but I'd like -more-. Another zone at least.
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Now we just need more NON-Trial incarnate content, which from their teasers sounds like we will be getting in I24.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Unlocking Omega should allow us to become Penny Yin's sidekick.
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Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Power Diversification was a good thing, even at the time. Things were way out of control and only the Muchkin crowd liked the way the game worked. Defenders that did so much damage that they could clear spawns in the time it took a Scrapper to GET to them and Tanks that could clear entire missions at once had to go. Yes it was a shock at the time but the game was much more fun afterward.
It isn't fair to blame or praise Statesman or Positron for everything. They had long range plans for the game even back then, including Incarnates even if they didn't have it down to exact numbers and such yet. The game has come along nicely and everyone concerned should take a bow.
Devs have always listened to player base which is part of what makes this such a cool game. I remember a few years back a high profile MMO that went into Beta and the game was based on "X's Vision" of the game to the point that you weren't ALLOWED to post suggestions on the forums. The game lasted like 3 months.
People forget there is pretty much the only MMO that has been around longer is Everquest I which is so dated it is painful. (yes CoH is older than WoW and had a much better release).
Personally the Incarnate powers so far have kind of suprised me they are kind of all over the place. I'd be happy with one that just gave you more slots to assign. I have a few builds that just scream for 3 or 4 more slots....
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Honestly, no. Yes. No. |
Originally Posted by Ultimus
Do you look forward to more?
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Typically, I loathe new issues.
If the game had stayed the way it was back in issue 3, I'd probably have a lot more 50s, a lot less inf, and probably the same amount of fun.
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New incarnate slots is pretty much the only reason I'd actually play, cause it's really the only thing to work towards in the game. There is nothing else to do.
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Luckily, the devs don't feel the same.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Honestly, no. Yes. No.
Typically, I loathe new issues. If the game had stayed the way it was back in issue 3, I'd probably have a lot more 50s, a lot less inf, and probably the same amount of fun. |
As some have mentioned Omega here's my hope for it. Omega is different take on Alpha slot, only as you climb in rank you get to slot up to three or four enchancemnts in Omega that affect the powers that use those enhnacements. it'd be an interesting work around for the "Adding more actual Enhancment slots broke everything." Bug ..and would probably be extremely overpowering if we're not limited in what we can slot in it but damn if it wouldn't be a awesome "final" unlock for the current incarnate system... At least until they put in an ascension system. I want to be an all powerful "Well" unto myself dang it!
Maybe we just ascend and start over again as an avatar of ourselves.
Maybe, but here's the real question. Who is the current Well, and have we come across the character before?
The well is (as much as I hate it) a mad god. Sentient. We've talked to it before, in the Ramiel arc. The current well is not a character we've met because people don't ascend and become wells. Rather, the well is a physical embodiment of all humanity's potential.
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There's still a chance that the actual physical form of the well is someone or something we've already come across in the lore. Either through an actual NPC or being mentione din the various lore. Afterall that big blue smurf in Ouro did say that the well had a physical form IIRC
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Originally Posted by Mad Grim
The well is (as much as I hate it) a mad god. Sentient. We've talked to it before, in the Ramiel arc. The current well is not a character we've met because people don't ascend and become wells. Rather, the well is a physical embodiment of all humanity's potential.
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Then I submit that the Well is either Nemesis or Dream Doctor.
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Yeah given Hybrid it does feel a bit like the Incarnate system peaked early. Hybrid is ok but I think I'd prefer something that was a lot weaker but more constant than the actual Hybrid powers.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Pretty much this. With how much power we got in the first slots there isn't much left they can add that can impress me.
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Well i really get the feeling that the incarnate system has largely been trial and error and if they had a chance to redo from scratch, that is reorganize everything, I don't think we'd have gotten lore/destiny when we did and Hybrid would've come earlier.
But hey not all the ones we have are that showy. Hybrid is more like Interface than it is Lore/Destiny/Judgment. The strength is there, but it's just not immediately noticeable.
I'll admit it... I *like* getting new toys for my characters, so yes. I do look forward to the new slots. Even if they're not particularly impressive or showy powers, they're still something to tinker around with that we haven't had before. I also like the majority of the Incarnate content we've gotten so far, both League and solo/small team, so I'm all for more of that as well.
What I absolutely do NOT look forward to, though, is another round of endlessly running one single iTrial over and over and over and over again to unlock each new slot we get, a la Hybrid/Magi.
I have a lot of 50s.
Most of them are Incarnates.
It gets VERY old, VERY fast when you have to run the same damned thing multiple times on all of them. <_<
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I think one of the new incarnate slots should grant an elemental affinity.....perhaps, my ele/ele stalker would take "Electricity Affinity" and all energy type damage would either take off very little damage, or actually heal my character.
Obviously, slotted correctly, this would be pretty powerful.
Doing DA? Slot negative energy affinity. *whistles*
Just thinking outside of the box.
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