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Is water blast obsolete before it launches?

Adeon Hawkwood

By Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-07-09 16:54 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion

 

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Originally Posted by Madadh View Post
That's certainly my feel on 2 Gun. Change the animations, and I'd love the set. The curving bullets do annoy me, but it was lame in 'Wanted' too. I just skip that power, though, and problem solved. It's the over the top animations on every power that prevent me from wanting to play the set more often, though, and is the real problem from my perspective.
You know, I have to agree. When it comes to this power they could just remove the tracers and it would look like ricochet trickshooting, and would be immediately more awesome for that than 'curving a bullet' is.

 

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Again, what makes you think the dev's won't give something sets without a snipe so as to make them balanced to sets WITH snipes?

I am sure they will get around to it in a timely fashion. The same way they have addressed other issues in a timely fashion.

Making certain that defiance 2.0 was a sufficient adjustment for blasters.

Addressing the problems in PvP 2.0 and making the frequent changes they promised.

Making adjustments to dual pistols.

Fixing shield charge.

Fixing Blessing of the Zypher.

Dealing with problems in the architect system that were pointed out pre launch all over the place.

Fixing the over nerf of energy melee.

 

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I can safely say, after teaming with water blast characters in the mid lvls and low levels, that there's no fear of them becoming obsolete.

If only on the graphics and sounds alone, that carries the set so that assures people play it. I have to say, the impact on those water blasts and the sounds and fx is rather impressive...sure made my little Archer and Rad blasters feel like they weren't even shooting.

Kind of understandable for Archery, but Radiation feels like it doesn't have any impact at all

Can my proton torpedoes explode in a cascade of energy too?

 

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I am sure they will get around to it in a timely fashion. The same way they have addressed other issues in a timely fashion.

Making certain that defiance 2.0 was a sufficient adjustment for blasters.

Addressing the problems in PvP 2.0 and making the frequent changes they promised.

Making adjustments to dual pistols.

Fixing shield charge.

Fixing Blessing of the Zypher.

Dealing with problems in the architect system that were pointed out pre launch all over the place.

Fixing the over nerf of energy melee.
Cynical much?

I'm expecting the sets that lack a snipe to get their adjustment at the same time as the rest of the changes. After all, they are already tweaking things in the same area, so it just makes sense to do it then.

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You did it again..variable chance. Isn't a chance..obviously variable? Not to mention..doesnt teh % go up to 100 on some of the WB attacks? KNOWING you will kb something, as a certainty, sounds a bit better than just a chance..
Just as an aside: are you being obtuse on purpose, MisterD?

Constant chance example: Power X has a 25% chance to KB.

Variable chance example: Power X has a 15% chance to KB with 1 Tidal Forces, 20% chance with 2 Tidal Forces, and 30% chance with 3 Tidal Forces.

Is this not clear somehow?

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Observation: A_F says the set looks too weak.
Conclusion: I should roll one the instant I can and play it to death before the desperately-needed nerfs.

 

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It's a great set in the current meta. I'm sure that Synapse and Arbiter Hawk have a quick and effective fix in mind for it to match up with the i24 buffs, such as removing the invisible cooldown on Water Jet's enhanced version.

 

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WB rocks! Why try to devalue knockdown now?

The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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A power set is as good as the person that uses it, regardless of stupid numbers, it won't be obsolete with me till I get bored with it.

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A power set is as good as the person that uses it, regardless of stupid numbers, it won't be obsolete with me till I get bored with it.
This!!! I personally can't wait till all the people who feel is "obsolete" or under damage stop playing it, so I can continue to enjoy it without the hate. Love me my balloon blaster.

 

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Observation: A_F says the set looks too weak.
Conclusion: I should roll one the instant I can and play it to death before the desperately-needed nerfs.
Glad to see you actually had something constructive to say, not just lashing out because you dislike being reminded of the shortcomings of the game.

 

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
Cynical much?
Not really I left out fixing pet AI after they broke it for demons and I left out garbage fixes like "Fixing the AI" by making it impossible for pets to benefit from recharge.

This is all stuff off the top of my head. Lord only knows how long the list would be if I actually bothered to write these things down.

 

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Observation: A_F says the set looks too weak.
Conclusion: I should roll one the instant I can and play it to death before the desperately-needed nerfs.
Observation: Anyone says any set looks too weak.
Conclusion: I should roll one and find out for myself.

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Observation: A_F says the set looks too weak.
Conclusion: I should roll one the instant I can and play it to death before the desperately-needed nerfs.
Just to laugh even louder.

The set is already scheduled for a buff.

 

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A power set is as good as the person that uses it, regardless of stupid numbers, it won't be obsolete with me till I get bored with it.
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Observation: Anyone says any set looks too weak.
Conclusion: I should roll one and find out for myself.

If forum judgment was always right, all Kinetic Melee/Willpower characters would kill themselves shortly after players created them out of sheer despair.

Totally agree. If a set was all identical, with the only difference being the damage numbers and all other factors being identical, I could agree with questioning the wisdom of making a new set that does less damage.

But all sets are a bit more complex than that. Water Blast seems significantly more complex than that.

Make one, and see how it suits ya.

But, if you're smart and creative, you can leverage what it can do well to get a lot more out of it that just the DPS numbers. But, if you aren't creative, and are on the slow side, I guess looking at the numbers is the only option. Of course, you probably had someone else do the math in that case. Hope you can trust their math skillz..

Snarky aside, it seems that many people that extol one set, or bemoan another, aren't playing the same game as I play, but some bizarro-simplified version of it.

So, Water Blast brings a lot to the table. Not everything. So it's not much different than all the other blast sets I guess.

 

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Hmmm...how do I put this....

What it ultimately comes down to is how well do you play the toon that you have?


I don't care if you're on an emp/elec, arguably one of the slowest solo-levelers in game. (but I haven't played every power combination, so there is always room for debate!)

Just be the best emp/elec you know how to be.

If, indeed, waterblast turns out to be "meh", so what? Play it with as much efficiency (for me, that's fun.) as you can. (your fun may be different. If it's using silly plays on words like "Haha, Buckshot, you're all wet behind the ears!", then do so as well as you can.

There is no such thing as a "best performing" blaster. If there were, you can bet the nerf bat will swing. Fire blast is indeed awesome. However, you have to enjoy that kind of fast paced action. For a slower pace, you might try something else. Again, room for argument, because "best performance" is not defined.

Highest DPS given a specific attack chain does not equal "best performance". Endurance issue must be considered. Damage mitigation must be considered. Playstyle must be accounted for.

So, to answer your question, No, it is not obsolete.

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Hmmm...how do I put this....

What it ultimately comes down to is how well do you play the toon that you have?


I don't care if you're on an emp/elec, arguably one of the slowest solo-levelers in game. (but I haven't played every power combination, so there is always room for debate!)

Just be the best emp/elec you know how to be.

If, indeed, waterblast turns out to be "meh", so what? Play it with as much efficiency (for me, that's fun.) as you can. (your fun may be different. If it's using silly plays on words like "Haha, Buckshot, you're all wet behind the ears!", then do so as well as you can.

There is no such thing as a "best performing" blaster. If there were, you can bet the nerf bat will swing. Fire blast is indeed awesome. However, you have to enjoy that kind of fast paced action. For a slower pace, you might try something else. Again, room for argument, because "best performance" is not defined.

Highest DPS given a specific attack chain does not equal "best performance". Endurance issue must be considered. Damage mitigation must be considered. Playstyle must be accounted for.

So, to answer your question, No, it is not obsolete.

Pretty much what I was trying to say, but much more eloquently worded.

 

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Originally Posted by Another_Fan View Post
Just to laugh even louder.

The set is already scheduled for a buff.
Hint: that doesn't vindicate you in any way, it in fact makes your crowing about how the set was so clearly broken when everyone else was telling you to hold your damn pants on for dev chat regarding issue 24 even more inane looking given the speed of the confirmation of their correctness.

 

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Hint: that doesn't vindicate you in any way, it in fact makes your crowing about how the set was so clearly broken when everyone else was telling you to hold your damn pants on for dev chat regarding issue 24 even more inane looking given the speed of the confirmation of their correctness.
ROFL is your water blast toon Kool Aid Drinker ?

Seriously given how well the devs handled snipes its all the more reason to shout out in advance.

 

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ROFL is your water blast toon Kool Aid Drinker ?

Seriously given how well the devs handled snipes its all the more reason to shout out in advance.
I dunno about Kool Aid...but there's a Water Cooler in the "what water combos are you gonna make" thread.

...Jus' sayin.

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