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BlackSun17

By BlackSun17,
Posted on: 2012-07-03 12:18 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture

 

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I get that but...again, why isn't there layers of security?
It was a room full of spiders. I call that its own security system. If a room full of spiders doesn't keep someone out than nothing will. As for the liquid nitrogen, it was being led into the building, so I assume it was meant for cooling some massive equipment in the building. Or maybe that's what fed the fire system, so Osborn could just flood the building with the stuff and kill everyone if he felt it necessary.

 

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There was also a distinct lack of hobo-ness within those sewers.
Duh. The Lizard ate 'em, obviously! He can't have no stinkin' warmbloods just laying about near his super-secret lair, after all.

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Saw it yesterday . . . I thought it was entertaining but had a ton of plot holes. The part I liked best was what others have mentioned -- finally we get a wise-cracking Spidey! I also liked the more serious overall tone. It was less "cartoony" than the Raime films but still had some touches of humor. I liked Gwen, but thought there were some odd things about their relationship. Certainly better than the whiney/emo pair of Tobey and Kirsten.

There were some changes to the Origin that really were not needed . . . but I really didn't miss "the line." I always thought that "the line" didn't fit since Uncle Ben didn't know that Peter had developed powers. There was a hand-wave acknowledgement that one part of the origin story was being changed that I thought was pretty lame -- where he got his costume idea. (Trying to stay spoiler-free here.)

Overall, I think I liked Raime's Spider-man 1 & 2 better, but 1 was only better because it was the first time seeing a live-action Spider-man look good. Raime's #1 followed the origin story better, but there were a lot of things that Webb's #1 did better, too.

However, with some better writing, I can see Webb's #2 and more being better than Raime's films were. I think Garfield is more fun to see as Parker and Spidey.

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Now on topic:
Personally I don't plan on seeing AS-M anytime soon. None of the current trailers have convinced me it is worth watching. And I rather liked the first two Spidey films.

Now then...
Noticed this little article off of a e-mail I got today. Shocker, Shocker, there's gonna be at least AS-M #2 & #3. Now what, I won't quite say, worries me is a linked article to a Superherohype interview with AS-M's Producers. If things go as planned, we could be seeing Spidey vs. the Sinister Six by Movie #3. While conceptually, it could be kinda cool. Realistically, can we say Spider-man 3 everyone...

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That water, to me, looked very clean for sewer water.... (I thought that too)
There's sewage lines and then there's storm drains. I don't know how it works in New York, but in San Diego, the sewage lines go to water treatment and the storm drains get emptied directly into the ocean.

 

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It was a room full of spiders. I call that its own security system. If a room full of spiders doesn't keep someone out than nothing will.
Kinda like this?

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USM makes me nerd rage. Hard.
Really? I find it to be far, far better than Spectacular Spider-Mole. And a bit more watchable than the 90s Spider-Man cartoon. The only real issue I have with it is the zany, cartoonish bits that occasionally pop up and seem out-of-place. But I've only seen a few episodes of it - it's okay, but I don't ravenously seek it out like I did Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

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There's sewage lines and then there's storm drains. I don't know how it works in New York, but in San Diego, the sewage lines go to water treatment and the storm drains get emptied directly into the ocean.
This^

Even though they call them sewers the tunnels under the city carry rain water, water from washing down the streets, and any other water that makes it into the storm drains. Depending on how recently a large or protracted storm has flushed the streets the water can be fairly clean.

Now to my good/bad opinion of the movie.

Good: They definitely nailed the wise cracking Spider-Man. The special effects, the webbing effects and the writing were in my opinion all much better than the Raimi versions as well. I especially love the fact that they used parkour runners to do many of the Spider-Man stunts (heh, Peter Parkour). It made the movement look much more natural.

Bad: Webb is terrible at getting real emotions out of his actors. Emma Stone was wooden at best. She isn't the worlds greatest actress to begin with but it felt like she was walking through the part. Garfield was even worse. Every single scene he felt like he was acting out the emotions. Yes I know he was acting but it isn't supposed to feel like that when you are watching. In fact the only real emotions I felt from any of the actors were in the two places I shouldn't have. First was the Lizard. I chalk that one up to the animators work on his facial expressions. The second was Ben's phone message to Peter. Sheen came up with more real emotion in that scene where he wasn't even visible than he did in all his other scenes put together.

Conclusion: Good writing. Good action. No heart at all.

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When she has both good dialog and direction, as in Easy A, I think she can be brilliant. She wasn't bad in Crazy, Stupid, Love either. I think she works best as a snarky character ... and a red head (sorry).

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I liked it. I give it a strong B+.

The quips from Spidey is what sold me on the actor. Toby just wasn't able to pull that off.
This. Tobey was just too mush-mouthed and slow with his delivery.

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she was walking through the part
Nothing seemed to penetrate her... ::stakes nearby vampire:: heart?

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Nothing seemed to penetrate her...


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I liked the early parts of the movie...the origin had some differences, but it made sense and was true to the spirit of the comics. They did a great job with most of the characters, but the Lizard was a disappointment -- completely generic mad scientist stuff.

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Well the guy who did Chronicle is doing the Venom movie apparently, and they have been in talks of tieing the two movies together and then doing a duo movie at some point. It could be awesome or really really really horrible if they do it wrong.

I want a Venom movie so bad but boy oh boy is there a massive chance of it being terribad.

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I liked the early parts of the movie...the origin had some differences, but it made sense and was true to the spirit of the comics. They did a great job with most of the characters, but the Lizard was a disappointment -- completely generic mad scientist stuff.
Scientist with one arm tries to grow it back by injecting himself with lizard DNA. What, exactly, were you expecting? Lizard, as first written, wasn't exactly complex.

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Reminds me of Doc Oct in Spider-Man 2, unintentionally evil. It was a side effect, he was just trying to do good, he had noble goals.

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Scientist with one arm tries to grow it back by injecting himself with lizard DNA. What, exactly, were you expecting?
A personality? Some motivation? They did such a good job developing Pete and Gwen and their relationship, and the various supporting characters all have nice moments too... it's just weird that the Lizard ended up being such a non-entity.

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A personality? Some motivation? They did such a good job developing Pete and Gwen and their relationship, and the various supporting characters all have nice moments too... it's just weird that the Lizard ended up being such a non-entity.
He was the reason Spider-Man did more than track down his uncle's killer. Not sure that qualifies as a "non-entity" in the plot.

My only complaint about his part of the story is that they didn't go more into his relationship with Peter's parents, and why they had to bolt.

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He was the reason Spider-Man did more than track down his uncle's killer. Not sure that qualifies as a "non-entity" in the plot.
Think about Alfred Molina's Doc Ock, or Heath Ledger's Joker or Tom Hiddleston's Loki -- a good villain doesn't just set the plot in motion, they're compelling characters in their own right. You're interested in them and you want to see what they'll do next. The Lizard? Yawn.

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My only complaint about his part of the story is that they didn't go more into his relationship with Peter's parents, and why they had to bolt.
Yup, exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Judging by the trailers, there was some of that stuff in there, but for some reason it got cut out.

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Think about Alfred Molina's Doc Ock, or Heath Ledger's Joker or Tom Hiddleston's Loki -- a good villain doesn't just set the plot in motion, they're compelling characters in their own right.
Except that Doc Ock was awful - "oh knows I'm possessed by my lab equipment". Should have stuck with him being a proper mad (but sometimes charming) scientist.

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Think about Alfred Molina's Doc Ock, or Heath Ledger's Joker or Tom Hiddleston's Loki -- a good villain doesn't just set the plot in motion, they're compelling characters in their own right. You're interested in them and you want to see what they'll do next. The Lizard? Yawn.
Some would argue that Loki or Joker were compelling because their counterparts (Thor and Batman) were not, in comparison. Writing shines the light on the characters they want the light shone on. In this case, they wanted the relationship between Peter and Gwen to be the main arc, I guess, and the fight to be secondary.

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Except that Doc Ock was awful - "oh knows I'm possessed by my lab equipment". Should have stuck with him being a proper mad (but sometimes charming) scientist.
Hah, yeah I guess it is a pretty awful premise when you put it that way. Spider-Man 2 still managed to be one of the best super hero movies I ever saw, though. Molina played a big part in that; whatever your opinion of the writing, he did a great job with what he was given.

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I got a kick out of telling my cousin what is probably (IMO) going to happen in the second movie. He said something about spoilers and I had to respond with, "Dude, there's a time limit on spoilers. This happened 20 years before you were born. That's well past the point where I have to preface it with a spoiler warning.".


 

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Just got back from seeing it. It was a good "movie" but I don't put it above the previous three. Emma Stone was great as Gwen, but I just didn't care for Garfield's version of Pete. Partially cause they turned him from a science nerd into a skater/punk-type kid. I also think he looks a lot like Hayden Christensen (?), so the love-scenes were like watching AOTC again (made me cringe, badly). Coupled with the twitchy, off-balance-ness and I just couldn't get into it. I thought Maguire played "dorky" a lot better. Everyone else, I thought, was good. Denis Leary as Capt. Stacy was just funny to me, being a big fan of Rescue Me. It was just weird, in a good, funny way.

The story itself was ok. My biggest gripe was how everybody and their dog knew he was Spider-man. It'd help if he didn't take off his frakkin mask every chance he got. It's something that's bugged me in a lot of superhero shows/movies lately.

Again, in general I think it was a good movie, but I just enjoyed the Raimi movies better.

P.S. I agree with another poster: please, please, please, please, please bring back J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson.

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P.S. I agree with another poster: please, please, please, please, please bring back J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson.
That and Bruce Campbell's cameos were all I consistently liked about Raimi's Spider-Man movies.

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