So Ms. Liberty is now Positron's Grand-daughter?
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Posted on: 2012-06-15 09:13 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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That is hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Placta
So with Anti-Matter and Dominatrix, we're back to that, now?
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How's this theory work - Positron accidentally irradiated Statesman, causing him to change gender and impregnate himself, thus giving birth to Miss Liberty, who then went on to give birth to Ms. Liberty.
That would explain both the Positron and Statesman as Liberty's grandfather, as well as Statesman's apparent lack of... ahem... packaging... down there.
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This. THIIIIIIS. I started to get really irritated by the 'Find & Replace' method when running that hero tip where someone is vouching for Desdemona to work with Longbow. Instead of Statesman vouching for her, which make sense since he was mentoring her in the first place, now Positron is vouching for her.|
Originally Posted by Bullet Barrage
Obviously, because the way they have erased Statesman from all content, even before the level range in which he died, Positron has now done all the missions in which Statesman took part in the level range 1-40.
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Why would you replace that?
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Originally Posted by Olantern
Soap opera-ish, and thus probably anathema to Forum Story Preferences, but I kind of like this ... if nothing else, it ties up a loose plot thread.
(Yes, I'm aware General Forum Belief is that Ms. L's father is Hero One, and that there're things in-game that support this belief.) |
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Well it makes sense he'd stay fit in the flesh (though it must really suck since if he works out too much, his muscles won't fit in the suit either, so he has to keep a fairly exact shape) but once he was energy, how would he count calories exactly? I mean wouldn't it make more sense that DW just restored his form from before he was energized?|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
I gather from the FREEDOM PHALANX novel that before the accident, he stayed in good shape because there's not exactly a lot of room in the armor for pudginess. As for once DW gave him his body back, one would think that if Posi had even an iota of sense, he'd do everything he could to maintain that level of shape.
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Also, I thought what Sorina saw in him was his biochemical makeup which made for potent pheromones she was sensitive too.
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I hadn't thought about this, but you're right. It's strange how Dominatrix keeps getting herself into the same situation with relatives... Or maybe not. She could just really be into that kind of thing.
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Originally Posted by Placta
So with Anti-Matter and Dominatrix, we're back to that, now?
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I think that Michelle means that having been restored, Positron now keeps working to maintain the body shape.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Well it makes sense he'd stay fit in the flesh (though it must really suck since if he works out too much, his muscles won't fit in the suit either, so he has to keep a fairly exact shape) but once he was energy, how would he count calories exactly? I mean wouldn't it make more sense that DW just restored his form from before he was energized?
Also, I thought what Sorina saw in him was his biochemical makeup which made for potent pheromones she was sensitive too. |
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There just needs to be a reference to "some hero who used to be Ms Liberty's granddad before Positron". 
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The hero formerly known as Statesman?
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
There just needs to be a reference to "some hero who used to be Ms Liberty's granddad before Positron".
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They even reference the whole Domi/Tyrant thing in her personal story mission, but in a deniable way |
Originally Posted by Terminotaur
I hadn't thought about this, but you're right. It's strange how Dominatrix keeps getting herself into the same situation with relatives... Or maybe not. She could just really be into that kind of thing.
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Originally Posted by Terminotaur
"There is a part to underground Praetoria that the Praetorian Infernal calls his own. Here he and Numina performed dangerous rituals on Positron, rituals you and his grand-daughter Ms. Liberty were too late to stop."
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Originally Posted by Bullet Barrage
No he didn't. Hero 1 gave the sword to Miss Liberty, her mother.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
It's been a while since I read up on this, but as I recall, the evidence for the "Hero One as Ms. Liberty's father" theory boiled down to:
1) Lore piece: Hero One gave her Excalibur for safekeeping before he left on his suicide mission. Theory: Why would he give it to her in particular unless he had some special connection to her? 2) Lore piece: Ms. Liberty's father is not specified. Theory: The special connection that made Hero One leave his sword with her is that he's her unidentified father. |
4) In the Top Cow comics, Dominatrix makes a joke that Ms. Liberty is *still* unable to draw the sword. Considering that you'd have to be descended from a specific fae lineage to do it, that joke would only make sense if Megan was actually expected to wield excalibur and yet was unable to do so due to her own incompetence (in Dominatrix's opinion).
I was hoping they wouldn't go and retcon Statesman out of existence.
Since he doesn't die until a level 40-50 arc, why would they go and remove him from every arc prior to that as well?
Unless they are now telling us the game is NOT chronological as we level, like they always said before.
You can consider this post as evidence that I am NOT a blind dev fanboy. (as I have been accused of being in the past)
Claws is NOT happy about this.
Also, the events of A Hero's Hero occurred in approximately 2006 in game history. How does killing Statesman in 2012 remove him from an event that happened 6 years ago?
Or are they telling us that something that happened 6 years in the past is now a current event?
Please explain to me how this retcon doesn't completely destroy the game lore and chronological history.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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It would actually make more sense if they *didn't* remove him from the game. Chronologically, he'd be killed in Who Will Die, but later during Maria Jenkins' arc we'd find out he'd actually been kidnapped by Emperor Cole months ago and replaced by a clone, which would explain why Darrin Wade's powers faded at the end of the fight (Darrin drained the clone's powers, and the clone's connection to the well was artificial, far from stable). After you rescue the real Statesman from Emperor Cole, you would unlock Statesman's Taskforce and begin your own incarnate career.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I was hoping they wouldn't go and retcon Statesman out of existence.
Since he doesn't die until a level 40-50 arc, why would they go and remove him from every arc prior to that as well? Unless they are now telling us the game is NOT chronological as we level, like they always said before. You can consider this post as evidence that I am NOT a blind dev fanboy. (as I have been accused of being in the past) Claws is NOT happy about this. Also, the events of A Hero's Hero occurred in approximately 2006 in game history. How does killing Statesman in 2012 remove him from an event that happened 6 years ago? Or are they telling us that something that happened 6 years in the past is now a current event? Please explain to me how this retcon doesn't completely destroy the game lore and chronological history. |
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It significantly damages it, and I believe it was a mistake to do. It suggests that the dev team really isn't prepared to deal with a world that changes, when you have to impose chronologically conflicting static rules to the way the game treats time.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Please explain to me how this retcon doesn't completely destroy the game lore and chronological history.
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Some discontinuities are necessary, but this was one of their own completely voluntary (at least with regard to Paragon Studios as a whole) making.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
It significantly damages it, and I believe it was a mistake to do. It suggests that the dev team really isn't prepared to deal with a world that changes, when you have to impose chronologically conflicting static rules to the way the game treats time.
Some discontinuities are necessary, but this was one of their own completely voluntary (at least with regard to Paragon Studios as a whole) making. |
Instead I can quote Aracanaville, the perfect equivalent of saying YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!
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I'm wondering why they didn't use the new phasing technology to display Statesman-less game zones/lore AFTER a character finished SSA1.
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If Ms. Liberty is Positron's granddaughter, does that make Anti-Matter and Dominatrix related? Because that would make their Praetorian relationship considerably more interesting, possibly enough to warrant me trudging through the quagmire of ambushes that is that bit of content.
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Originally Posted by Placta
So with Anti-Matter and Dominatrix, we're back to that, now?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Just think what the personal missions would look like if we didn't have to preserve that T for Teen rating.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
If Ms. Liberty is Positron's granddaughter, does that make Anti-Matter and Dominatrix related? Because that would make their Praetorian relationship considerably more interesting, possibly enough to warrant me trudging through the quagmire of ambushes that is that bit of content.
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It's a bug, not a retcon |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Please explain to me how this retcon doesn't completely destroy the game lore and chronological history.
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Ms. Liberty is still Statesman's granddaughter.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Just think what the personal missions would look like if we didn't have to preserve that T for Teen rating.
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Granted, she was a bubbler.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's a bug, not a retcon
Ms. Liberty is still Statesman's granddaughter. |
This is a bad case of Find-and-Replace, and unless something is done about it, it does destroy the game lore.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Someone used Find & Replace!
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| I'm wondering why they didn't use the new phasing technology to display Statesman-less game zones/lore AFTER a character finished SSA1. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Just think what the personal missions would look like if we didn't have to preserve that T for Teen rating.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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i concurr with Tech, Arcana and especially, Claws XD
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