Magisterium Farm, So did the devs consider this possibility?
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Posted on: 2012-06-02 23:00 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Honestly, I like the challenge, and I really don't want the final encounter nerfed. I am wondering if the seemingly random shifts (or lack thereof) during the encounter is WAI. |
Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
If the devs do decide to tweak the trial some... and put a larger aixp bonus for Tyrant defeat.. I am behind that. While I do enjoy the challenge that he is atm...I also can see how he should be made a LITTLE bit weaker to foster completion of the trial and aixp.
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Assuming it isn't, and that the entire league is intended to get the +6 every time all lights are extinguished, I would imagine correcting that issue would dramatically swing the success/failure rate to the positive.
I like that we were not given an overview of this trial, so that players are left to figure it out. I enjoy not having a strategy handed to me. In fact, the first one I was invited to, I had advised the team leader that I did not read anything to do with the trial, prior to playing it, and she had me along, and we ran it. Successfully. Granted, the very next run had largely the same characters on it (perhaps 3 of 24 were different), and it failed. I'm of the opinion that the wildly swinging and inconsistent shifts was the deciding factor.
I am fully aware that I am in the minority, but I really like this trial and foresee myself regularly playing it.
Thank you, Champion.
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THey arent tiring of it, they are just finishing because everyones done running them.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I hope you're right. Because, things are proceeding exactly as I expected, people are farming Magisterium till their eyes bleed. The only thing I've been surprised is how quickly people have tired of it.
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Everyone thinks a nerf is coming this week, so they are all getting their hybrids done before it happens.
Thats not really surprising at all.
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This seems to be good incentive to cancel my sub, as I am still working on the first 4 slots.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
THey arent tiring of it, they are just finishing because everyones done running them.
Everyone thinks a nerf is coming this week, so they are all getting their hybrids done before it happens. Thats not really surprising at all. |
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I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
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Uhh sure... if this is what causes you to cancel...didn't take much.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
This seems to be good incentive to cancel my sub, as I am still working on the first 4 slots.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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I do not think the current difficulty is intentional. I think the level shifts granted to the league from turning out the lights is not working as intended.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
THIS CANT BE INTENTIONAL.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
As much as I respect and understand the end boss "hard as possible" encounter crowd, the devs go overboard when listening to them sometimes and it is utterly frustrating trying to get them to see any different during BETA when it matters most IMHO.
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There has been vast speculation about some buff given to Tyrant just before this went live and that does not appear to actually be the case. There has been talk about the devs significantly increasing the difficulty of the last fight in response to Beta feedback that asked for a mild increase. It does not seem like that is the case either. It appears one of the trial mechanics is not functioning correctly, and that is what is causing the increased difficulty.
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So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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If any of the devs did consider the possiblity, it was probably Honey Badger.
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I was solely talking about the buff to "Tyrant" asked for and given during BETA was over the top for the majority of players in the game. You say there is some bug causing this or something not to be working correctly, that sounds like the speculation to me.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
There has been vast speculation about some buff given to Tyrant just before this went live and that does not appear to actually be the case.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Completing the Magisterium trial should unlock the Hybrid slot immediately. After all, you've just defeated the Well's Champion. It should be very impressed with you.
Incarnate: Yay, I defeated Cole. So, Well, impressed?
Well: Nuh-uh. You got to do it again. Round 2!
Incarnate: What? Ok...here we go....so, Well, impressed?
Well: No, might be a fluke ...do it again!
Incarnate: ...
Well: Ok, I believe you now. You can defeat my Champion over and over, so you must be good enough to get some more power.
Those that do not complete can work towards Hybrid using the iXP gained from the defeat 250 and defeat AVs stage (rebalance distribution between mobs and AVs).
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I don't see why people have a problem with this.
If you want to complete the trial every time...then start your own league.
I would absolutely hate the have to complete the whole trial over and over and over again just to unlock Hybrid.
It's a fun trial and great to complete once...but it's also great that you can unlock the Hybrid slot without needing to complete it over and over.
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You're either making that up, or perceiving that "everyone" is saying it because it's a rumor/assumption circulating among people you communicate with regularly.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Everyone thinks a nerf is coming this week, so they are all getting their hybrids done before it happens.
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No one on any farm I have been on has said or assumed any such thing. They're running it because it's what people do - they want the new shiny and this is how you get it. It's like every new trial, TF and event that has been released in the last four years at least.
Stop making up really hyperbolic explanations for things that have much simpler foundations.
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You can do the same thing for the previous types of iXP. It's not new. The new part is that people seem to be wussing out rather than carrying a relatively standard itrial to completion.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
So with the launch of I23 comes the new Incarnate trial, Magisterium. Wanted to give it a try, first attempt went like this. Use the LFG tool to join Magisterium Incarnate Trial, get to first part (defeate 250 IDF), and as soon as this completes just about everyone quits. Really confused by this and decide to head to Dark Astoria and see Broadcast being spammed with Mag Farm Runs.
So wanting to really give it a try, and actually finish it I broadcast that I was doing Magisterium Incarnate Trial but let everyone know that it wasn't a farm run. Get a League together, finish first part, and about 5 people quit. Really annoyed by this, press on, couldn't get it going, try second time and this time success. So is this what my experience with the Magisterium Incarnate Trial going to be like for the first week or so? Having to worry that people might bail as soon as they get their advanced psychic xp? Do the devs consider this an issue, should they even consider this an issue? |
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The only real buff Tyrant himself got was regen debuff resistance (which basically means you don't need to think about being sure to bring regen debuffs since they are helpful, but not super strong). His regen rate itself was not increased. That said, two other things made the final fight moderately harder, the lightning recharge was shortened by 5 seconds and its damage was mildly increased.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
I was solely talking about the buff to "Tyrant" asked for and given during BETA was over the top for the majority of players in the game. You say there is some bug causing this or something not to be working correctly, that sounds like the speculation to me.
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I agree I am speculating that the lights not affecting the whole league is unintended. It is possible it is intended to be a smaller, random effect. I think that is unlikely, but not impossible.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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Or at least use the Keyes bonus chance.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
They could have and should have made this trial give a rare or very rare. D
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I have done a number of Magis since it went live. The majority of the ones I have done were to completion(whether we succeed or fail to defeat Tyrant). I don't honestly see a problem with Tyrants difficulty. I feel that they should make finishing the trial worth the time invested. I think that's the only way to slow the farming. Many of us have a lot of level 50 characters.
I couldn't get online long enough to run trials until Saturday. When I finally did (Virtue) most of what I was finding were farms. Using the LFG tab, I *finally* instanced on a full completion run that included someone I know and trust to run quality trials. Completed it so handily it seemed *easy*... just followed the directions given by the leaders and received several badges. Still want all the badges, but hybrid is unlocked on my main now and almost t4.
I don't farm much, and when I do it's generally accidental or me hanging out with friends. Out of the farms I ended up on (all via the LFG tab), one was horribly run and people were faceplanting. The rest at least had a bit of direction and the groups kept together.
I'm a bit disappointed in this trial. TPN is much more fun even with the running around. This one is rather boring considering it's supposed to be THE End Fight. Kind of anti-climatic.
I did not find the trial hard... but I WAS on a good team. YMMV.
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Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
I don't see why people have a problem with this.
If you want to complete the trial every time...then start your own league. I would absolutely hate the have to complete the whole trial over and over and over again just to unlock Hybrid. It's a fun trial and great to complete once...but it's also great that you can unlock the Hybrid slot without needing to complete it over and over. |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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No he also got a level bump man. Look I am not going to quibble with you or anyone else about this ish, they over buffed the PANCAKE and need to tone it down to the levels recommended during BETA period end of discussion.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
The only real buff Tyrant himself got was regen debuff resistance (which basically means you don't need to think about being sure to bring regen debuffs since they are helpful, but not super strong). His regen rate itself was not increased. That said, two other things made the final fight moderately harder, the lightning recharge was shortened by 5 seconds and its damage was mildly increased.
I agree I am speculating that the lights not affecting the whole league is unintended. It is possible it is intended to be a smaller, random effect. I think that is unlikely, but not impossible. |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Alot of players on both freedom and virtue think a nerf is coming this week and is acting accordingly.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
You're either making that up, or perceiving that "everyone" is saying it because it's a rumor/assumption circulating among people you communicate with regularly.
No one on any farm I have been on has said or assumed any such thing. They're running it because it's what people do - they want the new shiny and this is how you get it. It's like every new trial, TF and event that has been released in the last four years at least. Stop making up really hyperbolic explanations for things that have much simpler foundations. |
I have no idea if it is or not, but the player perception might as well be reality.
Players do tend to act a bit differently depending on if its the I want it NOW effect or the protect me from nerf effect.
Blitzing one character then playing with the new hybrid is the I want It NOW, blitzing all your characters while never actually playing them after you blitz is the protect me from nerfs effect.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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unsupported speculation from an unreliable source is a good incentive to cancel your sub?|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
This seems to be good incentive to cancel my sub, as I am still working on the first 4 slots.
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huh.
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Sorry but those players are like the chicken little and the sky is falling or are hiding behind it because they secretly desire to nerf "someone else's" advanced ixp. Nothing new here, we see this kind of unfounded speculation around here all the time.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Alot of players on both freedom and virtue think a nerf is coming this week and is acting accordingly.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I think for the next one they should just automatically unlock it after one trial run, but you have to run an incarnate trial once a week to keep it unlocked.
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I've read some bad ideas on these forums in my time such as charging an in game "inf" fee for using the /ah command, this suggestion ranks up there...
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Originally Posted by SoyLeyenda
I think for the next one they should just automatically unlock it after one trial run, but you have to run an incarnate trial once a week to keep it unlocked.
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I'm with you on that. |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Honestly, just have it start filling in from DA once you have the bottom slots unlocked. I don't understand what the problem is with that.
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Regarding the trial itself, I've only done it twice so far, and both attempts failed. I just found the Tyrant fight tedious (although I always do my best to contribute, despite my personal feelings about the activity). I suppose it would be marginally less tedious if we'd succeeded, solely by virtue of the fact that it would have been over faster. But I'm becoming more and more ambivalent about Hybrid and the future Incarnate powers anyway. Currently, I have far and away the most fun on my Incarnates while playing them solo. But frankly, I'm just not sure how much more powerful I need them to be. Will doing X to obtain Y increase my enjoyment by a factor that was "worth X?" At this point, it's not seeming that way to me, when we only have this one trial to stand in for X. That will certainly change though, when I can earn Y through an activity that I enjoy doing for its own sake, thus making the entire experience, the 'earning' and the 'getting', enjoyable.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
I don't see why people have a problem with this.
If you want to complete the trial every time...then start your own league. I would absolutely hate the have to complete the whole trial over and over and over again just to unlock Hybrid. It's a fun trial and great to complete once...but it's also great that you can unlock the Hybrid slot without needing to complete it over and over. |
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Agreed.
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I agree completely that there's no problem with an agreed upon approach to just beat things up for the specific ixp.
To be honest, I agree with some who've said that makes more sense than beating the champion of the well 5 times. I always enjoy more generic, less specific, content for repetitive runs when necessary... Battling the troops makes a ton more sense to repeat than the final encounter over and over
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If the devs do decide to tweak the trial some... and put a larger aixp bonus for Tyrant defeat.. I am behind that. While I do enjoy the challenge that he is atm...I also can see how he should be made a LITTLE bit weaker to foster completion of the trial and aixp.