Prometheus

Actually, you could see what was in Prometheus as very early, nascent stages of the xenomorph bioweapon. Once it evolved into the more familiar facehugger, chest burster, acid-blooded xenomorph phase, it didn't really need to go back.

Kinda like how, once the Engineers had humans, they could reproduce in a naturalistic way, rather than needing to constantly be "made" by their creators.

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Maybe, maybe not.

Why were humans created?

And was such a nasty weapon REALLY necessary to wipe *us* out? Or was it intended for a broader range of targets?

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You forgot the last two phases.

+ Portable Star Generator + Portable Black Hole Generator

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The why is fairly irrelevant, since the film directly contradicts the existing Predator lore (which had already answered the why in an incompatible way), and had them cast in the role that the Prometheans are in in this movie. It also sort of mucks up the timeline for the AvP movies, which has the Aliens much older than Prometheus suggests, although the use of a different chest-burster gives some wriggle-room.

I just saw the movie and towards the end, someone must have cranked up the air conditioning in the Prometheus for Charlize Theron.

Hence:

Aha! Heh. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Um... no.

This thing is a steaming pile of crap. Bad dialog, bad acting, plot holes you can drop the Sun through, all the characters seem to have an I.Q. of 65. I was wondering how they get dressed in the morning they are so stupid. The move just flat out makes no sense. Just truly terrible.

"It's beautiful" No it's not you moron! It's a giant (and I kid you not) wang! Wait! What? Now it has wings and a (woman's piece of anatomy) for a face! It's making warning noises to back off. Yes by all means go try to pet it.

AND THAT'S NOT EVEN THE STUPIDEST PART OF THE MOVIE.

That's one explanation I was considering. It does contradict AvP2 in terms of when Aliens were fully developed as we know them, but I don't think canon consistency was high on the priorities list, since Scott only did the first film.

Can cinema still be saved.. I mean Xmen Origins Wolverine, I thought they'd get it after that.. |

As a former astrophysicist who has worked with NASA people, I think most would be of this opinion:

The idea of pansperma was developed by Fred Hoyle and others who believed 1) in a steady state universe, and 2) that it was statistically incredibly unlikely for life to occur spontaneously. These ideas are linked, since in an infinitely old universe, the incredibly unlikely accident of life would only have to occur once, then spread. Time isn't an issue, because you have an infinite amount of it.

There are very few scientists who believe in a steady state universe now. In addition, we also think the chance of life occurring is much higher, under the right conditions (such as those found on a planet but not in space). The probability of something like a virus being able to survive the radiation of space long enough for a significant space journey is also low.

Thus, whist life could have originated in outer space, Occam's Razor suggests that we should prefer the simpler explanation - it occurred spontaneously on Earth.

So, whilst most NASA scientists would consider it virtually impossible for life NOT to exist on other planets, they would also consider it highly unlikely that life was connected to life on Earth.

There is also some direct observational evidence: all living molecules on Earth have the same "handedness". If pan-sperma was correct, you would expect this handedness to be the same through-out the universe. However, organic molecules is space are observed in almost equal numbers of left and right handedness, suggesting their origin is chemical and not biological.

I suppose we can blame Scott's advancing years for clinging to ideas that where popular in the 1960s but have since been largely discredited.

As for the Vatican, I don't think they would endorse this interpretation for the origin of life on Earth...

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I think what bothered me the most, was that everything we "learn" from this movie, is largely based on Dr. Shaw's theories. And she has notoriously bad theories.

Did the Engineers create humanity? We don't know. The movie doesn't really tell us anything about it. Dr. Shaw is convinced that they did because she "has faith" in what the cave paintings told her (ie. nothing). Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. Maybe that's what the intro scene is showing. Maybe it isn't. We don't know for certain, and Shaw certainly has no idea.

Did they change their mind and decide to destroy mankind 2,000 years ago? We don't know. Dr. Shaw instantly draws this conclusion, but it's really just a guess. All we know is they plotted a course for Earth. Do we even know why they somehow failed to make the journey 2,000 years ago? It didn't seem like anything penetrated the bridge on the alien ship. Did someone forget to tell the pilot that he wasn't supposed to go into cryosleep with the rest of the crew?

Do we really know that the surviving Engineer decided to rush off to Earth the moment he woke up? We might have some idea (I forget if the star map made it clear he was plotting a course fo Earth). Shaw definitely didn't know, since she ran off long before this, and David didn't contact her 'till much later. She figured that maybe he was taking off to Earth and convinced the Prometheus to go kamikaze. Maybe a fair trade.

And why, exactly, does the Engineers hate humans, not just so much that they are hostile on sight (I kinda get that part. We don't even know what David said, he might have been something intentionally provocative just to see what would happen), but to the point where you crash-land your ship on a planet, drag yourself out of your ship, find the nearest piece of (to him) alien debris and go crazy trying to kill whatever is inside. I think, if it'd been me, I'd just have rolled over, made a half-***** comment ("now, that's what I call a close encounter") and let it fade to commercials. I probably wouldn't even remember that one human that ran off.

Lastly, there's the tweeest. The secret Weyland agenda. That turns out to be... "oh, yeah, so our secret plan is that we want the same thing as the official purpose of the expedition. SURPRISE! Oh, also, fake-old-guy that no one cared about isn't really dead so he's coming along." Maybe that's just to be intentionally different from Alien, but dangit, I miss some good, self-destructive Weyland double crossing.

Wow ok......

As to them being lost... the Capt and whats her name were busy... well... getting busy, so no one was on the bridge. Hence they got lost.

What is the AvP Canon that everyone keeps referencing?

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There are multiple, really. One is things apparently established in the two (not very good) AvP (Alien vs Predator) movies (and indirectly, things from the Predator movies themselves). Then there are things from the (rather better) AvP comics series.

The origin of the crossover was in Predator2, where an alien head was briefly seen in the trophy room.

I remember that. I just am not sure how that is contrary to Prometheus. It seems like the Engineers made the planet into a bio weapon factory (yes a big guess)... so that head could come from a previous something or other the engineers were involved in.

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Vickers and the Cap didn't get busy until WAY after they were lost. They got lost and didn't return to the ship with everyone else. Since they departed the expedition early, maybe you should have someone on the bridge navigate their way back.

In the first AvP, we learn that Predators used to breed Aliens from ancient human civilizations for sporting purposes. If Aliens just came about because of Kraken-facehugger implanting the Engineer, then that obviously couldn't have happened.

Yeah cuz no one ever has taken advantage of someone elses discovery, creation, whatever you want to call it and used it for their own purposes.

<rolls yes>

Prometheus makes it look like it was an accident. I don't see how the Predators would have come up with the exact same life form to use on humans, especially since we have no reason to believe they ever had contact with Engineers.

Doesn't matter if it was an accident or deliberate, and we have no reason to believe the Predator race didn't have some sort of contact with the Engineers, either by direct association or by accidental discovery.

It is not hard to believe that one party would claim to be the inventor/creator of something another party discovered/created. After all isn't that what Weylund's been doing all along? Stealing alien secrets and developing them as their own inventions.

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That's a good point.