All Things Character Art
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Posted on: 2012-05-02 24:55 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Like when we've been able to have multiple cape-like effects at the same time - trenchcoat and cape at the same time, for instance - and then it gets purposefully taken away.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It seems to be that a lot of costume functionality isn't so much technically impossible as intentionally restricted.
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I have another suggestion. After doing some work putting pics together for the shark fin thread, I figure I might as well suggest this in the character art thread proper:
Shark heads!
But I don't mean just taking the head of a shark lopped off behind the jaw, gluing a funnel to it and sticking it down a human body's neck hole. I've seen other games do that and it looks terrible. Sharks don't have necks or shoulders, so putting a shark head on a human body would require at least some degree of anthropomorphisation. It would require taking some of the features inherent in a shark face, but adapting them to a more human shape. I'm talking about the round protruding snout and the multiple rows of jagged teeth, for instance.
To demonstrate, I put together the following collage of pics I've found all over the 'net:
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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They have told us why they do that though. It has a negative effect on performance both local and server side. Computer hardware has improved though, so who knows.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Like when we've been able to have multiple cape-like effects at the same time - trenchcoat and cape at the same time, for instance - and then it gets purposefully taken away.
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I agree with Sam on this one, oft times it seem arbitrary as to what they allow. I think it is time for the menus to be reviewed, and reworked. The UI is fine, it is how the menus are set up, and which parts are exclusive. The Elemental Order mask is a good example. Why can I not wear that with a Hood, but I can with a hat? Why not with Half helm?
I mean exclusive items is getting long in the tooth. It is one of those things I think a person should be just hired and assigned to. Much the same way I feel about Weapon models and Pool customization. If they don't just stick it at the top of the schedule and make it a priority, then it will forever be swept under the rug.
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Meh.
We've seen thread after thread after thread where we all repeat the same thing. We get tossed scraps and bits, just enough to appease us for a few days.
I give up. They aren't interested in what we really want. They are interested to see if any of us request something they want...
That they'll make. If it's *really* cool and wanted (like the Sybil skirts) they are locked behind NPCs with the same tired excuses (not built on the player model, server/client issues, animation issues).
So, whatever. They'll make what they will and hope we'll buy it while we continue to beg for:
Better masks
Male/Huge sashes
Waist capes for all
Sybil skirts/tops
Longer skirts/OLD style CoT robes
Quivers and scabbards and holsters
Meh.
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Would it be possible to get thin striped disco stockings?
We have Disco as an option in Tights with Skins, can we get it so they come with black stripes (and white stripes) automatically, and you can add another color?
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No offense, Sam, but I think Captain Mako is a good enough example. These guys look like canine furries with osmond teeth and shake colored coats.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I have another suggestion. After doing some work putting pics together for the shark fin thread, I figure I might as well suggest this in the character art thread proper:
Shark heads! But I don't mean just taking the head of a shark lopped off behind the jaw, gluing a funnel to it and sticking it down a human body's neck hole. I've seen other games do that and it looks terrible. Sharks don't have necks or shoulders, so putting a shark head on a human body would require at least some degree of anthropomorphisation. It would require taking some of the features inherent in a shark face, but adapting them to a more human shape. I'm talking about the round protruding snout and the multiple rows of jagged teeth, for instance. To demonstrate, I put together the following collage of pics I've found all over the 'net: |
Also
>Hair on a shark anthro
>ISHYGDDT
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Hi, Dink! *rawrs*
If you have time on your schedule, would you please add (cuffed) ankle boots?
This is a mainstay of several Golden- and Silver-Age characters, and would add *just* the right touch, especially since there seems to be a complete lack of non-calf-length boots.
This would go well with both tights-wearing and bare-legged heroines and villainesses.
If at all possible, would you please make them appropriately sized for a woman's foot, since several previous bits of supposedly women's footwear appear to have been made for *male* models ... with *large* feet!
Thanks!
*purrs serenely and walks around Dink's feet in a Figure-8 pattern*
P.S. As a secondary consideration, perhaps you could also do a similarly-styled wrist-length (cuffed) glove? Thanks, again!
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So, as this thread noted, we're actually lacking a certain type of horns, which considering all the many, many types of horns we have, is fairly impressive, especially considering what kind of horn it is. What I'm asking for, is this:
Unicorn horns!
Just that simple single spike on the forehead. Maybe a long and a stubby version, too.
I could go fetch some images, but I think we all know what these would look like. They should also be available for hats and most kind of helmets, so it could be used for Mecha designs or similar.
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As I said in the other thread - yes, they do. It's an artefact of turning the head to face forward and moving the snout to stand at an angle to the face. And the hair. It's what it would take for me to take sharks seriously - anthropomorphising their heads. Again, I know these don't resemble real sharks. That's the point. I don't believe a real shark head can be made in such a way that works. Champions tried real shark heads and it looked like suggestive themes. Mako tried to go for a shark look and he looks more like a lizard.|
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
No offense, Sam, but I think Captain Mako is a good enough example. These guys look like canine furries with osmond teeth and shake colored coats.
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Unlike other times, I'm directly suggesting the addition of anthropomorphic characters specifically. NOT animal characters, intentionally specifically anthropomorphic.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Kheprera
Meh.
We've seen thread after thread after thread where we all repeat the same thing. We get tossed scraps and bits, just enough to appease us for a few days. I give up. They aren't interested in what we really want. They are interested to see if any of us request something they want... That they'll make. If it's *really* cool and wanted (like the Sybil skirts) they are locked behind NPCs with the same tired excuses (not built on the player model, server/client issues, animation issues). So, whatever. They'll make what they will and hope we'll buy it while we continue to beg for: Better masks Male/Huge sashes Waist capes for all Sybil skirts/tops Longer skirts/OLD style CoT robes Quivers and scabbards and holsters Meh. |
I think you are in the same place that I am. Which is a place of burnout and dissatisfaction. As I said in another post, costume wise there is not much that I know about that excites me.
I am not a fan of Retro Sci-Fi, and it really not something I would have voted for. I think the Bubble Helmet is pretty cool, but what can be used with it is really limited. The only thing from that pack I find cool is the rocket packs, which I plan to use as on every character I have which is of Natural origin and that I want to fly.
The Mecha set is flat out amazing though. The only issue I have with it is that yet again they have taken some of the best parts (the Helmet Parts) and made them exclusive to one selection (full helmets) which means what can be combined with them is REALLY limited. I and others have requested repeatedly that those options be shared with half helmets, but no one has answered us.
Sorry Arbiter Fab, but I felt that there were enough options in the game that would cover PA already. It is one of my favorite themes in moves and books, but like I said, I think we have it already.
Cyber Punk actually looks cool, and I am excited to see more of it. I really hope it is on the marketing schedule for more reveals soon. It has a lot of potential depending on the artist. The only issue I have with it is my fear of exclusive locations again. I really want to use Robes and Jackets with the current cyborg arms. I hope they find a way to let me do that with the cyborg pack.
Space pirates. I am not a big pirate fan, my main hope for this set is that it has sashes for males in it. That alone would have me buying a ton of Super booster 2. But I will do that any way, as I love the booster packs in general.
There are some great requests in this thread, but because of my current level of burnout I fear we may never see them. Having them acknowledged would be cool though.
Costumes and Power sets are the things that have revitalized this game for me over and over. I took a long break when issue 14 was released, it was issue 16 that really stoked my fire for this game again. I hope Dink pokes in again soon to let us know what she likes that we have suggested.
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Pretty much, Zyphoid. I got there a while ago from a lack of response to the Basers, and it's been recently solidified by the dev responses to costumes. I could see a LOT of soothed feathers if they would just prioritize a few key items, not gated behind any kind of unlock except a store cost, and then move on.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
I think you are in the same place that I am. Which is a place of burnout and dissatisfaction. As I said in another post, costume wise there is not much that I know about that excites me.
I am not a fan of Retro Sci-Fi, and it really not something I would have voted for. I think the Bubble Helmet is pretty cool, but what can be used with it is really limited. The only thing from that pack I find cool is the rocket packs, which I plan to use as on every character I have which is of Natural origin and that I want to fly. |
Like you, I'm not enthused about Retro Sci-Fi even though Dink did marvelous work. I'm even less enthused about Post Apocalyptic and felt some of the other ideas offered were more appealing. I would love to see a real survey from the Player Base (not just Forumites) on what, out of the choices given, they'd like to see with an area to add additional comments, and then the results posted.
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May we *please* *please* *please* *please* *please* get chest sliders which go *at least* a foot to the *left* so that our female characters are more realistically proportioned and there is a greater range of customization.
I play a female *cat* (*not* cat-girl) and it is wholly inappropriate for her to have a 36C bustline or use the male model. We should be able to create characters like Penny Preston, which is a glaring omission after 8+ years of CoH being live (and *at least* another 2 years in development before that).
Please make it so!
Thanks!
(*purrs sweetly and wends her way around Dink's feet in a Figure-8 pattern!* )
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In spirit of the upcoming summer events which will hopefully be an annual thing, I was wondering if a "summer fashion" themed costume bundle could be considered in the future.
Hawaiian shirts in "open", "half buttoned", and "fully buttoned" styles.
Different styles of shorts and swim trunks
A few new Bikini (or Tankinis to be more creative and/or conservative) styles for women that don't look painted on.
Shell and Orchid lei garlands, gloves/wristband, and head details.
Maybe grass skirts in grass or tea leaf varieties.
To go a bit more international about summer, we could also get Japanese Happi coats and Yukata too.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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I'm all for it going a bit smaller, but most women I know look to me to be between the existing middle and extreme left slider settings.
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
May we *please* *please* *please* *please* *please* get chest sliders which go *at least* a foot to the *left* so that our female characters are more realistically proportioned and there is a greater range of customization.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
May we *please* *please* *please* *please* *please* get chest sliders which go *at least* a foot to the *left* so that our female characters are more realistically proportioned and there is a greater range of customization.
I play a female *cat* (*not* cat-girl) and it is wholly inappropriate for her to have a 36C bustline or use the male model. We should be able to create characters like Penny Preston, which is a glaring omission after 8+ years of CoH being live (and *at least* another 2 years in development before that). Please make it so! Thanks! (*purrs sweetly and wends her way around Dink's feet in a Figure-8 pattern!* ) |
Just curious here, but wouldn't playing someone who walks on two legs period be inappropriate in that example?
I'm curious as to realisticly proportioned as well. How is the minimum slider not realisticly proportioned? Not that I'm against slider going more to the left, I have a character who I want that option for. But am baffled by the wording.
Also, is the body sliders even in Dink's area?
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Originally Posted by Kheprera
Meh.
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SO much this! But only if they're done right. The propensity of the modelling to make female feet grotesquely elongated would ruin the entire effect.
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
Hi, Dink! *rawrs*
If you have time on your schedule, would you please add (cuffed) ankle boots? This is a mainstay of several Golden- and Silver-Age characters, and would add *just* the right touch, especially since there seems to be a complete lack of non-calf-length boots. This would go well with both tights-wearing and bare-legged heroines and villainesses. If at all possible, would you please make them appropriately sized for a woman's foot, since several previous bits of supposedly women's footwear appear to have been made for *male* models ... with *large* feet! Thanks! *purrs serenely and walks around Dink's feet in a Figure-8 pattern* P.S. As a secondary consideration, perhaps you could also do a similarly-styled wrist-length (cuffed) glove? Thanks, again! |
I have just one quick suggestion <'x'>
Could I please, please, please have a 'normal' assault rifle with a bayonet, specifically for use with the Arachnos Soldier AT?
I ask because the AT actually HAS a Bayonet attack... but it has precisely one weapon with a bayonet-esque structure protruding from the front - and it's on an SMG which isn't really that appropriate for a bayonet to begin with.
Not to mention the fact that the Arachnos Soldier AT has VERY limited weapon selection as-is, and what is available is mostly weird looking.
I just want a completely ordinary real-ish looking assault rifle with a bayonet. It doesn't have to be an actual real life weapon, just something that could fake it in a movie. (Preferably something we can color, too.)
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You know that cyborg HUD thing that comes up your face when in combat ?
Maybe making it a full body would look awesome, having displays all at the arms/legs/torso as a second layer of armor and stuff.
Like in this other game.
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This, please. I've wanted this since the Cyborg Hud first came out.
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Originally Posted by Paradox Fate
You know that cyborg HUD thing that comes up your face when in combat ?
Maybe making it a full body would look awesome, having displays all at the arms/legs/torso as a second layer of armor and stuff. Like in this other game. |
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Also, this. I think we can use a whole range of shorter boots that don't go up to the knee. More regular shoes like trainers, better sneakers, loafers and so forth, short boots and things like this. I'd really love to see a broader selection of this, because right now we're a city of knee-high boots.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Funny thing is that the Praetorian Police have something that would work great for this. But that is thier thing, so I doubt we ever get it.
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Originally Posted by Paradox Fate
You know that cyborg HUD thing that comes up your face when in combat ?
Maybe making it a full body would look awesome, having displays all at the arms/legs/torso as a second layer of armor and stuff. Like in this other game. |
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Eh, slight difference between the two, and by slight I mean a lot.|
Originally Posted by Kheprera
Pretty much, Zyphoid. I got there a while ago from a lack of response to the Basers, and it's been recently solidified by the dev responses to costumes. I could see a LOT of soothed feathers if they would just prioritize a few key items, not gated behind any kind of unlock except a store cost, and then move on.
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Costumes just require time and manpower.
Base stuff requires digging around in 8 year old Fossil Code that could break at a moments notice.
There's a reason Devs don't touch Bases much.
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It seems to be that a lot of costume functionality isn't so much technically impossible as intentionally restricted.
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That said, a number of games have worked around this problem by simply making top and bottom items into their own separate geo which snaps over the base body model, in much the same way our shirts do. Saints Row does this, for one, as does that "The Klub 17" mod. Hell, City of Heroes already does this with female shirts options. I would really, really, REALLY like a "naked" option under shirts so that I could put patterns on the female body underneath it, safe in the knowledge that we'll never see nipples because we'll never see a shirt that shows them. That may have changed since I looked last, though.