Not sure if you all saw, but...

Wait, you were there and you didn't let me know! (no I wasn't there) Man, first FlagrantFowl did it last year and now you!



Exactly! If someone cares about the RP aspect then let them figure their own way of how it can be done.

It's this simple. Radiation disrupts psionics. How do we know that? Because radiation armor is radiation and it disrupts psionics, and the game mechanics are the physics of the game world. Radiation disrupts psionics because in the physical reality of the world of CoX, radiation disrupts psionics.

And it's not entirely unprecendeted. Nuclear radiation often is very heavy in EMP. Electric Armor uses EM radiation to disrupt psionics. EMP arrow can afflict nervous systems as per the description in the game. It makes sense within the "logic" of the game that something heavy in EM could protect from psionics.

I mean, if you could explain how real world psionics work in regards to radiation and why the ability to produce radiation at will wouldn't impact them, I guess you'd have a point.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

Because we all know that in the REAL WORLD, psychic mind bolts can totally pwn radioactive body armor!

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

Thanks, that all falls in the learning more than what was in the notes, and nice to hear.

Nope, sure can't.

*munches on cookie*

Eh, you can do that now. Hell, I pretended spines are throwing daggers and not bone fragments sticking from my body and that energy aura is a telekinetic aura made of psionic energy on another character.

Blame yourself if you're some piece of fail that can't be bothered to read the forums without it 'ruining' your game. I have every right to posting my opinion on these boards as you.


And it's not about 'logic and reality', it's about consistency.

So then it *is* a semi-waste of time since the mechanics are so similar. I mean, we could just put on a vaporous or glowing aura (or atomic aura) and pick Invulnerability for your radiation character if the above Hulk example is the example of Rad armor...


I honestly don't care *finishes cookie*

Perhaps you're reading ulterior motives in my posts?

I'm sure the many psychic character players will enjoy your definition of psionics being just another form of radiation, though.

As far as game mechanics go, though, since psionic is its own damage type and radiation is just another form of energy just like sonic and electricity, your definition cannot be correct. If only a small difference like you describe were needed to differentiate damage types, then why isn't energy energy damage, sonic sonic damage and radiation radioactive damage?

Examples? Because there is no precedence that radiation makes one more resistant to psionic damage at all.

If your only example is EMPs then perhaps I should paste the description of Static Shield?

"You can create a field of Static Electricity around your body. This Static Shield protects you from Hold, Sleep, and Disorient effects as well as Endurance Drain, Recovery DeBuffs and enemy Teleportation. Static Shield can also help normalize your synaptic activity, granting you good resistance to Psionic Damage. Recharge: Fast"

EMP doesn't disrupt psionics but if a specific character wanted to explain defense or resistance to psionic damage then that would work for them. The other way around, you'd have to define psionics as disruptable by radiation which it does no do directly. Here's the description of EMPulse:

"You can unleash a massive pulse of electromagnetic energy. This EMP can affect machines, and is even powerful enough to affect synaptic brain patterns. It will drain the Endurance and HP Regeneration of all affected targets and leave them incapacitated and Held for a long while. Additionally, most machines and robots will take moderate high damage. However, this power uses a lot of Endurance and leaves you unable to recover Endurance for a while. Recharge: Very Long"

Yeah, EMPs are effective against synaptic brain patterns, not psionic energies. Not even Electric Armor's Static Shield 'blocks' psionic energy. It'd make more sense for radiation to simply debuff psionic damage more than other damage types, but no, it has no precedence of manipulating or dissipating psionic powers without attacking the source.

I am still trying to figure out how you find it perfectly normal that radiation makes you resistant to bullets and swords. Where is that precedent? What makes lethal resists acceptable to you, but not Psi resistance?

Although this thread was started in the Tanker forums, the idea was to have Radiation Armor for all 4 melee ATs: Tanks, Brutes, Stalkers and Scrappers. I don't recall any of the panelists limiting this to just Tanker/Brute sets.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

Because there is precedence for using barriers of various energy types to deflect or dissipate physical attacks like those. All of which tend to leave psionic as a hole.

It's precisely because it's make-believe that lets people try to present the challenge. From a logical perspective, once you make the assumption that direct mental attacks on other people are possible the only set that reasonably justifies any psionic protection at all is Willpower.

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.

As well as the precedence for other Energy Based sets to cover the psionic hole. Electric and Dark Armor. Different types of energy interact in different ways. It just so happens that Radiation based energies can resist psionic energy. There's nothing in the game that has ever said it can't, so there's no break in consistency.

To be honest, I find the concept of Rad Armor more likely to interact with Psi energy than Crystals (Stone Armor) having some capability to defend from it.

[edit] Just something to consider: Radiation, in real life, does cause mutation. What's to say someone who is mutated by radiation doesn't grow new neural pathways that help protect the mind from psionic attacks?

Yeah, Warboss is going to have an insufferably monstrous ego for the next couple years now.

Though how anyone will tell the difference...




What should be REALLY nice is the toggle Toxic resistance. You mean we're going to be less vulnerable to Vaz puker zombies at low levels?

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Applied Phlebotinum

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It's not a self-destruct per se.

It's looking to be a unique power that's part nuke, part self-rez.

If you use it while you're alive, it's a "regular" nuke.

If you die and then trigger it, think Rise of the Phoenix. Except with a mushroom cloud.

As I said, this looks to be totally unique to non-Incarnate powers. It's not just a limited use power that only works if you fail. But a power that can be a regular part of your attack sequence.

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What many fire armor people have been asking for for years for RotP.

Think of it as a cross between Willpower and Elec.

It's primary mitigation is Resistance (with exotic resists being part of the toggles instead of based in a click heal).
It's secondary mitigation is Regen.
It's tertiary mitigation is persistent Debuff.
It's quaternary mitigation will be the Absorb/Ablative effect.

Think about slathering on some set-based defense on top of this and how fricking evil it would be.

Spikes could still cause this set problems, since it relies on Regen rather than Heal. But the Absorb/Ablative power is functionally similar.

Also, we're looking at a dual-purpose heal/recovery power that uses thresholds of damage to determine which effect is dominant

• Low-to-no damage = High recovery, low regen
• High damage = Low recovery, high regen

All in all, this sounds like an exceptionally interesting set to play, and with IOs, could rival Elec for sheer general durability and damage output potential.

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The radiation is on a frequency/spectrum that interferes with psionic emissions.

The radiation has altered the person's brain chemistry/"mental frequencies", rendering them less vulnerable to disruption.

Etc. Etc.

*Insert Handwavium Here*

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I have but three words for you.

World War Hulk.


Also, Spidey's "Spider Sense", is semi-psychic in nature.


You're thinking the set is going to go in exactly as discussed at the panel.

Bzzt!

It still has to be developed, balanced, etc. So the form that it finally takes if/when released will likely be somewhat different (with at least SOME information from the original panel surviving).

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Energy was in the second shield. It was just missed in transcription.

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Be honest. Schoolgirls looking at lethal levels of sugar and caffeine overload aren't NEARLY as giddy as he was!

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Dark Energy is different as it is the inverse of energy. Electricity is special since the brain functions through (*insert handwave*) electric currents that can be overridden to make mental attacks less effective.

But I've never taken the position that radiation armor could not have psionic resistance, just that radiation armor doesn't *need* psionic resistance. As pointed out below, does the set not have enough alternative means to overcome psionic attacks without requiring a special hand-wave to add direct resistance to a damage type it wouldn't normally or conceptually resist?

Emma Frost?

That's Biotic Armor.

So we either have to borrow from Electric or Biotic to justify this? Why even bother, then? Are you that desperate for psionic resistance?