Staff Fighting will be released on April 17, 2012
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Posted on: 2012-04-13 11:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I appreciate your point. I do have paragon points; some may not. I do not mind unexpected delays as much as surprise releases outside the budget.
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Originally Posted by SolarSentai
So you're saying you spent your stipend of points already with the assumption that Staff was coming later in the month in that you would have your new stipend to be able to purchase it?
Because if that's why you're upset, then I should be upset that it's being released on Tuesday, April 17th because I have to work that day and won't be home to play with the new shiny. Paragon has no control over how we spend our points or when we spend them. Staff is important to me so I made sure to have at least 800pts banked on both of my accounts for whenever it was released. If that meant not having to purchase something else that was release prior to Staff then so be it. I weighed my options and chose what meant more to me. YMMV. (For what it's worth, I'm in favor of a calendar of events/releases as I mentioned in the thread referenced above. But even with that, there's no guarantee that said items would be released on said dates due to unforeseen circumstances et al so it would still be a guideline regardless) |
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If you know the release date why be so nitpicky now?
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Since the Devs, as you imply, have always had a relatively bad time handling the official annoucement of various upcoming content releases it's probably safer to be aware of as many different "annoucement vectors" as possible and take -all- of them with a healthy grain of salt until they all start matching up. As far as Rednames are concerned I don't think you can assume that anything on facebook is any more or less "credible" than the forums. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
I guess it boils down to speculation by red names "on the calendar" "soon", "will it or won't it", by red names in tabloid threads that shouldn't matter. Are all players expected to read the drivel anyone posts in For Fun! on the off chance an official announcement is made? I still cannot find in the Announcements sections where it says "staff melee is released April 17th", the first official word I discovered was today on the open forum on the Facebook event.
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You know, there's a not-insignificant portion of the playerbase who doesn't even read the forums. The only time they know about a powerset being released is on the day of the release.|
Originally Posted by Psylenz
I appreciate your point. I do have paragon points; some may not. I do not mind unexpected delays as much as surprise releases outside the budget.
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If you're personally that concerned and that attentive to detail, then pay attention to the Community and Dev Digests. Those show all redname posts regardless of which thread they happened in. That's a much more effective way to get the latest news than watching the Announcements forum.
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I don't mind delays either. But there are many people who do as evidenced by Staff in general. You can't manipulate time to have something that's delayed to be released on time. But you can purchase points whenever you want, and eventually get them with your VIP. |
Originally Posted by Psylenz
I appreciate your point. I do have paragon points; some may not. I do not mind unexpected delays as much as surprise releases outside the budget.
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So it's picking the lesser of two evils.
Do they promise a release date, get delayed (for whatever reason) then deal with backlash because something's available?
Or, not give a date, release it so that it is available, and have people gripe about not having points - something that is relatively easy to fix.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
I appreciate your point. I do have paragon points; some may not. I do not mind unexpected delays as much as surprise releases outside the budget.
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Dang! New content too early! NOOOOOO!|
Originally Posted by Lothic
l will never be upset when the Devs manage to release something "earlier that expected" no matter the reason for it.
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Why all the want to push staff back? If you don't want the set, don't get it. I want it ASAP. I can wait but I wouldn't want to push it back.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
l will never be upset when the Devs manage to release something "earlier that expected" no matter the reason for it.
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*cough* Beast Mastery *cough*
Oh my... look at the time!
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I never said it wasn't coming in April.
- We confirmed, on Tuesday, that Staff Fighting was coming to the Paragon Market on the 17th (next Tuesday).
- We've not given a release date for any Powerset to be released via the Paragon Market beyond a weeks notice.
I do understand excitement, I do understand wanting to play a new Powerset. I've certainly taken some of the frustration expressed over the development cycle and passed it along to the interested parties.
At the same time, I need to address something.
We're seeing an awful lot of very, very snide remarks and personal attacks directed at marketing and business development. I know it's easy, and popular, to point fingers at "Evil Marketing", but this sentiment has been extremely over the top lately. As I've clarified before, Community does not equate to Marketing here at Paragon. That does not mean that we're not all working towards the same goal.
Just as I will step in and say something when comments are going over the top towards development, I am doing the same thing with Marketing. You are more than encouraged to be critical of our practices, and to express your feedback as such. What is not acceptable are the personal insults we've seen as of late. This needs to stop. Our Business Development/Marketing team has been very successful in their strategy behind the Paragon Market release calendar, so let's please give them the credit they deserve for doing their part to help keep City of Heroes strong and sustainable for the foreseeable future.
I will always do my absolute best to keep everyone appraised as to how soon items are coming to the market. This may be done either directly, or through tongue in cheek hints. Please reference the Snow Globe "Zwillinger Soon™ chart" (I'm sure someone will link to it).
Thanks guys, and let's get ready to hit things with sticks.
-Z
Andy Belford
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I've decided that this is a hint that the summer event will involve Pinatas.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Thanks guys, and let's get ready to hit things with sticks.
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I can smell a meme of everything being NCsoft's fault. On December 21 we'll all rage that the mean ol' devs "delayed" the end of the world.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Thanks guys, and let's get ready to hit things with sticks.
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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
I've decided that this is a hint that the summer event will involve Pinatas.
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So uh... this is an official endorsement of hitting things with sticks?|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Thanks guys, and let's get ready to hit things with sticks.
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They didn't have to tell us at all that they were releasing it, or when. But I can say that, because I planned ahead and have enough points to buy it.
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Zwill, was I close about what it cost for you to relay that information to us?
(Also, I hope my jokes were not part of what you've seen as attacks against marketing)
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This. I don't think any other classifier is necessary.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
They didn't have to tell us at all that they were releasing it, or when.
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I will be the first to admit that in the past I have directed a lot of frustration at marketing. |
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
We're seeing an awful lot of very, very snide remarks and personal directed at marketing and business development. I know it's easy, and popular, to point fingers at "Evil Marketing", but this sentiment has been extremely over the top lately. As I've clarified before, Community does not equate to Marketing here at Paragon. That does not mean that we're not all working towards the same goal.
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However, I had the chance to team with Black Pebble a few times over that past week, and he is actually pretty cool. When we chat with the devs in a respectful manner, they tend to respond in the same way.
Yeah, I am not a huge fan of the way marketing does certain things. That is on me though, not them. My selfishness and desire to know what is coming and what is in development is the sole reason for my dislike of marketing. I love the game, I am passionate about the game, and I just want to know.
I get however that their job is to release the information in a way that has the greatest benefit for the game. Like anything in life, sometimes it works masterfully, and some times it fails horrible. IT is what it is, but it is their job.
I really advise all VIP players to take the time to log in and test on the beta server. Not only to test, but because it also gives you a chance to talk to the devs here and there. You get to see that most of them are pretty cool, and even honest.
There is a long list of gripes I could list here. The lack of a male sash, and the CoT costumes left out would be at the top of the list. No one person is responsible for these things though.
What I would suggest is that marketing allow more communication like what Dink has done. Costumes are one of this community's greatest passion. Knowing what is in the pipes, and seeing behind the curtain makes us happy. It makes us excited about giving your our money.
In that, I ask that certain things be reconsidered. Like what items were released with the CoT set. If more is to come just tell us, yeah we may post begging for them, but that is better than us complaining that we didn't.
I guess what it boils down to is communication. While those of us who visit the board may only be about 10% of the game's population. I promise we are in contact and sharing information with the other 90% of the players.
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While I don't really support some of the decisions made recently, I have to kind of balk at "Well if you'd just do what we tell you to do we wouldn't have this problem."
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While I don't really support some of the decisions made recently, I have to kind of balk at "Well if you'd just do what we tell you to do we wouldn't have this problem."
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I want new shinies!
As a fan of CoH this will always be the case!
Even if they said it wasn't on the calendar for April and now it is, YAY!
Even more so, they could of said "It's not on the calendar for April" and then released it the next day and I would of been "YAY!"
I don't need notice of when things will hit the market, we know what's planned to hit the market by keeping up on beta threads.
I just LIKE to know what's coming, then possibly cry when it's not coming fast enough ^_^
But...but...I WANT IT NAO! *runsaway crying*
See! Just like that! 
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Savvy players (and forum readers) follow the Dev Digest and Community Digest. It allows you to see responses by the red names, be they a Dev or part of the OCR team, with the occasional fluff posting in some thread that doesn't have anything to do with the game.|
Originally Posted by Psylenz
I guess it boils down to speculation by red names "on the calendar" "soon", "will it or won't it", by red names in tabloid threads that shouldn't matter. Are all players expected to read the drivel anyone posts in For Fun! on the off chance an official announcement is made? I still cannot find in the Announcements sections where it says "staff melee is released April 17th", the first official word I discovered was today on the open forum on the Facebook event.
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Not everything is posted in an Announcement. As a general rule, we've heard release dates for items in the Market (when we've gotten any) in threads that were NOT in the Announcements before the official Announcement thread was made.
The Announcement threads for market offerings are generally made on the Tuesday of the market update, not before.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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Misread this as "We're"...need to get the fog from my glasses it seems! Thanks Texas_Justice for pointing it out.|
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Although, to be fair War Witch's address did tell us that Beast Matery would be out in March...
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| Just as I will step in and say something when comments are going over the top towards development, I am doing the same thing with Marketing. You are more than encouraged to be critical of our practices, and to express your feedback as such. What is not acceptable are the personal insults we've seen as of late. This needs to stop. Our Business Development/Marketing team has been very successful in their strategy behind the Paragon Market release calendar, so let's please give them the credit they deserve for doing their part to help keep City of Heroes strong and sustainable for the foreseeable future. |
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The amount of whine and rage surrounding Staff Fighting is absolutely hilarious.
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Yeah it is...over the top, but I can get it.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
The amount of whine and rage surrounding Staff Fighting is absolutely hilarious.
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People have been wanting to swing sticks around FOREVER. That doesn't justify the millions of threads or in-thread derailments (guilty as charged on the last) but the anticpation plus the preview on test just sent people overboard. Lesson learned on all our parts, in that the Devs will likely be more cautious in seeding test and we'll be more patient in the future.
(I am STILL going to get Staff on both accounts pronto on Tuesday, no doubt about that. I wants my sticky-sticks of doom-doom!)
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I guess it boils down to speculation by red names "on the calendar" "soon", "will it or won't it", by red names in tabloid threads that shouldn't matter. Are all players expected to read the drivel anyone posts in For Fun! on the off chance an official announcement is made? I still cannot find in the Announcements sections where it says "staff melee is released April 17th", the first official word I discovered was today on the open forum on the Facebook event.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.