Staff Fighting will be released on April 17, 2012


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Ordinarily, this would be a time to rejoice. It's a boon from the developers. Players have waited a long time if not patiently.

I am neither comforted nor excited about the timing of this announcement. There was a thread discussing heatedly about the date this becomes available. I am in general, a fanboy. When the content is released, I play it. If it's good, I do my best Oliver impression and ask, "more, sir". I do NOT mind when representatives say, we are unable to announce the day such and such becomes available. I am excited by the SoonTM meme. I also understand that there is a business strategy of staggered releases of content in a pay for points system.

Do NOT tell the community an announcement is not on the April calendar and within 3 days announce it's coming next Tuesday. This management of the release date is capricious and unprofessional. It is also very unlike our player community practices and policies in the past. Such manipulations of their audience would best be left to Snookie and the Situation.

I expect this thread will be nuked like the last one. Just don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.


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I agree with the OP

they should delay the release of Staff Fighting to give everyone proper notice. Cancel the release next Tuesday and give us a proper 2 weeks notice.

Staff Fighting should be delayed until the 27th so that proper procedure and etiquette is followed.


 

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Do NOT tell the community an announcement is not on the April calendar and within 3 days announce it's coming next Tuesday. This management of the release date is capricious and unprofessional. It is also very unlike our player community practices and policies in the past. Such manipulations of their audience would best be left to Snookie and the Situation.
They announced it on the 10th.

And did they say it was not on the April calendar? I don't recall any "Don't expect it any time soon" remarks on any of official channels.


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They announced it on the 10th.

And did they say it was not on the April calendar? I don't recall any "Don't expect it any time soon" remarks on any of official channels.
I don't recall it being on the 10th but today on the Facebook page. It was an official REDname post from Zwilinger that said he could not say when the release date was. but it was NOT on the April calendar. And...that thread is vapor now.


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Do NOT tell the community an announcement is not on the April calendar and within 3 days announce it's coming next Tuesday. This management of the release date is capricious and unprofessional. It is also very unlike our player community practices and policies in the past. Such manipulations of their audience would best be left to Snookie and the Situation.
Pfft, please. Try EA/Bioware if you want utter PR meltdown and unprofessional practice...


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By the title I thought you were just informing us and I was going to post this:



But now I just see your point. However it was never said by a developer it wouldn't hit in April. Whoever said that was making up some BS.



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I agree with the OP

they should delay the release of Staff Fighting to give everyone proper notice. Cancel the release next Tuesday and give us a proper 2 weeks notice.

Staff Fighting should be delayed until the 27th so that proper procedure and etiquette is followed.


I'm tired of waiting. I want Staff Melee now dangnabbit.

Also, they did say at some point that it would be released in April. There have been plenty of threads discussing and speculating when the release date would be.

So with that...



Also, From April 3rd 2012:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=153

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Zwill can we get a straight answer from you, no mysterious memes or platitudes, just a straight yes or no.

Is staff melee coming out next Tuesday?
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No, I will not give you a specific date.

Staff is currently slated for April. That's about as specific as I can be.


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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=287278

That was what I was referring to as no calendar. I do see buried in some thread Zwilinger did state on April 10th that Staff Fighting is coming April 17th. IMHO that announcement would best appear IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT (buried under the weight of dozens of outdated stickied threads) section not some paparazzi general discussion reply.

I give NO credence, not one whit to speculative thread, hardly ever bother with them.


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The OP isn't complaining that the devs said Staff wouldn't be out in April, and then it was.

The OP is complaining that the devs said they wouldn't announce the specific date at all at first, and then eventually Zwill did give the date. Thus, PR breakdown, the devs ought to be ashamed of themselves, etc.

Frankly I find that an insufferably petty thing to complain about. Do you also complain when NDAs are lifted?


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Do NOT tell the community an announcement is not on the April calendar and within 3 days announce it's coming next Tuesday. This management of the release date is capricious and unprofessional. It is also very unlike our player community practices and policies in the past. Such manipulations of their audience would best be left to Snookie and the Situation.
Things like this are the reason why the Devs absolutely loathe to give out even -hints- as to when things are going to be released. People will always find a way to make something negative out of it or "prove" the Devs are lying to us or whatever.

I'm content to assume the Devs always want to release everything ASAP and just let things happen when they happen. I don't need weeks or months of pre-planned scheduling to enjoy this game on a daily basis. Take a breath and this latest "outrage" will pass like all the others have.


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The OP isn't complaining that the devs said Staff wouldn't be out in April, and then it was.

The OP is complaining that the devs said they wouldn't announce the specific date at all at first, and then eventually Zwill did give the date. Thus, PR breakdown, the devs ought to be ashamed of themselves, etc.

Frankly I find that an insufferably petty thing to complain about. Do you also complain when NDAs are lifted?
No i am complaining they said they had no date on the calendar for a staff fighting release and only it would be released soon, and then they announce it was coming before the end of the calendar month. It's about POINTS


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You're incorrect...

First, they said it was coming in April. Then, on April 10th, they said it was coming on the 17th.

Dismiss whatever you wish, but your original post is incorrect.

Honest question: Was I reading your post incorrectly or were you implying/thinking that the forum outrage/impatience influenced Paragon Studios to deliver Staff Fighting earlier than they had planned?


Also, no big deal. We all make mistakes.


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No i am complaining they said they had no date on the calendar for a staff fighting release and only it would be released soon, and then they announce it was coming before the end of the calendar month. It's about POINTS
I think this was a last resort announce to calm everyone on the forums down after the lion/liger release.



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You're incorrect...

First, they said it was coming in April. Then, on April 10th, they said it was coming on the 17th.

Dismiss whatever you wish, but your original post is incorrect.

Honest question: Was I reading your post incorrectly or were you implying/thinking that the forum outrage/impatience influenced Paragon Studios to deliver Staff Fighting earlier than they had planned?


Also, no big deal. We all make mistakes.
Good Statesman, I hope community um, impetus doesn't affect the quality/date of arrival of certain content. Wasn't demon summoning delayed as well?


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It's about POINTS
If that's what you're complaining about, you did a really poor job communicating that in the OP.


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No i am complaining they said they had no date on the calendar for a staff fighting release and only it would be released soon, and then they announce it was coming before the end of the calendar month. It's about POINTS
You knew this was coming "soon" whether that soon was tommorow or like a month from now. You've had plenty of time to manage/budget your points to buy this -whenever- it finally comes out. Whining that you might not have the points to buy it April 17th is not Zwill's fault, it's yours.


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Have you ever tried running an MMO?

Have you ever designed a Powerset?

Have you ever added new content to anything?

Have you ever been threatend with a nerf gun by Marketing Management?

They are doing the best they can under very difficult conditions. Cut them some slack.


 

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Whether given one day's notice or one month's notice, I do not share the OP's concern since I have no expectations of how much lead time should be given. Surprise release it in an hour from now and I will be 100% unphased and unmoved. Hold it off for another month and I'll shrug. This applies to features I desperately want and those I don't care for. Because, again, I have no expectation that there is a 'two week' or 'one month' rule of announcements of new features.

Thus, I regard any sort of insult or unprofessionalism or middlefingerism or slapinthefacism that anyone sees as the problem of the perceiver, not a problem in reality.


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@Electric Knight, I was mistaken when the official word was released on staff fighting, but as they said in the 4/3/2012 post WHY NO ANNOUNCE THREAD?


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@Electric Knight, I was mistaken when the official word was released on staff fighting, but as they said in the 4/3/2012 post WHY NO ANNOUNCE THREAD?
Because everyone was too busy reading the rage thread.



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Whether given one day's notice or one month's notice, I do not share the OP's concern since I have no expectations of how much lead time should be given. Surprise release it in an hour from now and I will be 100% unphased and unmoved. Hold it off for another month and I'll shrug. This applies to features I desperately want and those I don't care for. Because, again, I have no expectation that there is a 'two week' or 'one month' rule of announcements of new features.

Thus, I regard any sort of insult or unprofessionalism or middlefingerism or slapinthefacism that anyone sees as the problem of the perceiver, not a problem in reality.
It's one thing to be surprised by goodies, it's another when it appears they are getting you to spend points in the current month and then not have points to spend when it does show up.

I WILL say, I have been hoarding points for staff melee since it was first whispered before street fighting.


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I WILL say, I have been hoarding points for staff melee since it was first whispered before street fighting.
Then if it's about POINTS and you saved the points because, hey, it was widely known months ago not because of a leak or whispers, but because it was on Open Beta.... then what's the problem again?

From the moment it was official news, you've had months to save up points and you did. And...?


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It's one thing to be surprised by goodies, it's another when it appears they are getting you to spend points in the current month and then not have points to spend when it does show up.

I WILL say, I have been hoarding points for staff melee since it was first whispered before street fighting.
So if you've got a stash of points ready to go to buy Staff Melee no matter when it drops what's your real problem here?
If other people didn't manage their points properly that's again their fault, not the Devs'.


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It's about POINTS
So you're saying you spent your stipend of points already with the assumption that Staff was coming later in the month in that you would have your new stipend to be able to purchase it?

Because if that's why you're upset, then I should be upset that it's being released on Tuesday, April 17th because I have to work that day and won't be home to play with the new shiny.

Paragon has no control over how we spend our points or when we spend them.

Staff is important to me so I made sure to have at least 800pts banked on both of my accounts for whenever it was released. If that meant not having to purchase something else that was release prior to Staff then so be it. I weighed my options and chose what meant more to me.

YMMV.

(For what it's worth, I'm in favor of a calendar of events/releases as I mentioned in the thread referenced above. But even with that, there's no guarantee that said items would be released on said dates due to unforeseen circumstances et al so it would still be a guideline regardless)


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@Electric Knight, I was mistaken when the official word was released on staff fighting, but as they said in the 4/3/2012 post WHY NO ANNOUNCE THREAD?
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying or asking here.

Nothing was said about it not coming out in April. And within that thread that Zwill created, he stated that it will come out in April.

Do you understand that Zwill is a middle man.
He could only give us what he was allowed to. And I'd imagine he had to pull a bit to get us as much information as he did give us.
And the amount of information changes as time progresses.

He may have had to sell a few kidneys to Black Pebble in order to tell us that it would be within April.
Then, next week, he may have had to wash and wax Black Pebble's private jet in order to be able to tell us the exact date it'd be coming out.


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