( 38343.75 / time ) + 127.8125 = DPS
There's the math!
8minutes 36seconds is the time!
Precise Strike -> Serpent's Reach -> Assassin's Staff -> (slight gap) Sky Splitter -> Repeat is the chain!
Total DPS: 202.12
Did have to use some blues (maaaybe once I get the accolades this won't be a problem). And I think myuse of Build Up could of been better, but that's the first run.
No Incarnate anything (havent decided on what Alpha yet).
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Did a second run and got 8min 20seconds (204.5) after a slight change in the slotting to see if that would close the gap between Assassin's Staff and Sky Splitter.
All this is on a SF/WP.
If I can't get my end use under control I might just go Agility (Stamina, Physical Perfection and Superior Conditioning will all benefit from Agility's ENDMOD).
Buuut, I think even with the gap, Musculature would still show the biggest DPS increase. Though, Musculature Radial does come with ENDMOD, but at lower DMG enhancement.
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And what the hell, one more with a variation!
Staff Fighting
PS - SR - AS - PS (Replace with BU when recharged) - SS - Repeat
7minutes 41seconds for 210.98
Again had to use blues, I ran out of toggles I could detoggle 
If I can get the END use under control, I think I can shave 5-10seconds off the time.
Again, this is all without any incarnate abilities. I'm not running Assault, and none of the Procs (Melee Purple, Ranged Purple, and GSFC BU Proc in Tactics) are SBE.
I'm not sure how much using SBE would increase my DPS either.
My build also isn't the best for DPS, it's setup for exemping and survival, so better slotting in BU will help (like instead of that level 18+5 ToHit Buff/RCH Rectified Reticle I'm using).
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Have you tried AS>SS>PS>GS? GS can take -res proc i think this chain could be good 
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BrandX, are you not able to run any of the other chains? That chain has lower dps than several others.
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You won't get 3 stacks of assassin's focus using only 2 attacks between AS's... I suspect reducing the chance to crit your AS by 33% is going to decrease DPS considerably.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I just noticed that for ElM, the AS-CI-JL chain is possible. While the recharge for this may not be quite as achievable solo (maybe during the first burst of Ageless), on teams it's a definite possibility. I'll run my numbers for it later and see how it compares with AS-CI-CB-JL.
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Well...I could. But then I'd have to change my build, which is setup for my playstyle (which doesn't really serve optimum builds).|
Originally Posted by Microcosm
BrandX, are you not able to run any of the other chains? That chain has lower dps than several others.
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But when Mids comes out, I'll see if I'm going to make any changes or not.
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Which is why it's the first thing I took into calculations. It's the primary reason for why the DPS for that chain isn't that much higher.
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Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
You won't get 3 stacks of assassin's focus using only 2 attacks between AS's... I suspect reducing the chance to crit your AS by 33% is going to decrease DPS considerably.
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Thanks for the math there.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
( 38343.75 / time ) + 127.8125 = DPS
There's the math! 8minutes 36seconds is the time! Precise Strike -> Serpent's Reach -> Assassin's Staff -> (slight gap) Sky Splitter -> Repeat is the chain! Total DPS: 202.12 Did have to use some blues (maaaybe once I get the accolades this won't be a problem). And I think myuse of Build Up could of been better, but that's the first run. No Incarnate anything (havent decided on what Alpha yet). |
Since we got a dedicated Stalker thread, I figured I'd post my Spines/Ice Armor Stalker.
No inspirations used, T4 Radial Intuition, and T4 Degenerative Radial are my Incarnates. No inspirations utilized, I did have to cycle Hoarfrost, Icy Bastion, and just one use of my T4 Rebirth (Since it's so much so slowly I use HF and IB before the Rebirth as needed)
I got 8 minutes 56 seconds.
My Chain is Assassin's Impaler > Impale > Ripper > Throw Spines. With this particular run, I stuck this to chain even if I missed once or if Impale doesn't generate an assassin's focus. I typically utilize BU right before a 3 charged Assassin's Impaler since it allows me to get two Assassin's Impalers in during a single BU.
Going to experiment with utilizing Lunge as a filler before Assassin's Impaler only if I don't hit three focus, and see if that improves my time at all. So, I managed a 199.349 DPS with what is primarily an AoE focused build.
Prior to the run today, I used to fill in extra Impales in an attempt to get full assassin's focus stacks, but that definitely causes a severe loss in my DPS for single targets.
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Reran as described. Assassin's Impaler > Impale > Ripper > Throw Spines > (If not at three Focus, Lunge) > Repeat. I think I got really lucky this run as well, since the pylon rarely hit me. I didn't have to utilize Rebirth at all, and I used Dull Pain one time. So, this might not be so much from the new chain and more from less healing required. I got 7 minutes 36 seconds for a DPS of 211.9.
Last edit for now. My build for those curious, this is exactly as I did the tests.
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Not to sound stupid , but what is the point of pylon testing ? I never really understood.
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To figure out one's ST DPS. Also a good way to see how good your END use is. So far I can see my build can sustain it's chain for quite awhile, but it will bottom out, so I can live with it, or improve it more.|
Originally Posted by _Hush_
Not to sound stupid , but what is the point of pylon testing ? I never really understood.
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For my testing, I'll wait to see what the accolades do for it. as I think that will make up my end use worries.
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I may as well post it here. Staff/Elec, 3:45 for a total of 298 DPS.
I can easily shave this down significantly if Sky Splitter wasn't being a jerk, I had T4 Musculature, and if I decide if I can use Judgment Powers off cooldown. Assuming I can since we allow Alpha and Interface.
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Serpent's Reach > Precise Strike > Assassin's Staff > Sky Splitter. I don't have the recharge to do the, arguably superior Mercurial (With Heel) > Precise > Assassin's > Sky, nor do I really care to.
But yeah, I imagine with a bit more luck, T4 Musculature, and if I can fire off Judgment, I can shave off quite a bit of time.
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See, that just doesn't seem like a bad time to me. *shrug* But then I guess I don't really know the top times for the other Primaries |
Originally Posted by Reppu
I may as well post it here. Staff/Elec, 3:45 for a total of 298 DPS.
I can easily shave this down significantly if Sky Splitter wasn't being a jerk, I had T4 Musculature, and if I decide if I can use Judgment Powers off cooldown. Assuming I can since we allow Alpha and Interface. T3 Musculature T4 Reactive Serpent's Reach > Precise Strike > Assassin's Staff > Sky Splitter. I don't have the recharge to do the, arguably superior Mercurial (With Heel) > Precise > Assassin's > Sky, nor do I really care to. But yeah, I imagine with a bit more luck, T4 Musculature, and if I can fire off Judgment, I can shave off quite a bit of time. |
Still haven't gotten both accolades for the +END, but I did tweak my build for a little more +REC (What I get for using my old build which didn't need the extra end recovery...but it also had the accoaldes, soooo, maybe the 12% Regen is better than the 2.5% Rec)
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It's really hard to say where it is, considering Stalker 3.0 is still 'new' and doesn't have years of data like Scrappers do.
We Shall See.
So I did a few runs on my Staff/ELA stalker, and pretty consistently got 3.45 which is the same time Reppu posted.
see here:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...postcount=2378
My chain was MB-SR-AS-SS. T3 Musc, T4 Degen (25% -HP, 75% dot).
I'm curious if any number crunchers can tell me how much better (if at all) MB-PS-AS-SS would be. In my build, SR is slotted with 5 Apocalype (including purple proc) and a PVP dmg proc. If I swapped it for PS, I'd probably frakenslot for dmg/end/recharge and use 2 procs - Mako SBE and PVP.
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Looks like Staff is doing pretty well then and still has one very awesome pbaoe Eye of Storm.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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MB Is only worthwhile for a Heel proc. That said, it will only be a little bit better, if you can get consistent procs with MB.|
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So I did a few runs on my Staff/ELA stalker, and pretty consistently got 3.45 which is the same time Reppu posted.
see here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...postcount=2378 My chain was MB-SR-AS-SS. T3 Musc, T4 Degen (25% -HP, 75% dot). I'm curious if any number crunchers can tell me how much better (if at all) MB-PS-AS-SS would be. In my build, SR is slotted with 5 Apocalype (including purple proc) and a PVP dmg proc. If I swapped it for PS, I'd probably frakenslot for dmg/end/recharge and use 2 procs - Mako SBE and PVP. Code:
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It's not really worth the global recharge needed for that chain (200%)
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MB's already in my chain: MB-SR-AS-SS. I'm asking about swapping in PS in place of SR. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I think SR may be performing just as well because it has higher DPA and can slot a purple set / proc vs. PS being slightly faster, but lower DPA, and unable to slot a purple proc (since Hec is in SS). But I can't tell |
Originally Posted by Reppu
MB Is only worthwhile for a Heel proc. That said, it will only be a little bit better, if you can get consistent procs with MB.
It's not really worth the global recharge needed for that chain (200%) |
PS is better DPA than SR. by a small margin. it can also take a Mako's SBE, which beats a Purple Proc.
Again, MB > PS > AS > SS requires SS to be at 100% Recharge and have 200% Global Recharge. The benefits of MB > PS > AS > SS over PS > SR > AS > SS are minor.
As for MB > SR> AS > SS, it's likely inferior due to SBEs
Curious. Did either of you check your times without incarnate abilities?
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I'm not particularly inclined to try. I could, if you absolutely desire, but isn't there some documentation showing how much DPS Reactive roughly adds? And it wouldn't be too much effort to remove the damage from Musculature but it's too much work for me.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Curious. Did either of you check your times without incarnate abilities?
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It'd probably drop to like 250 or something. I don't know right now.
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I would have thought the -RES proc (and SBE Mako) in MB made including MB (as one of 4 attacks in the chain) a contender? |
Originally Posted by Reppu
PS is better DPA than SR. by a small margin. it can also take a Mako's SBE, which beats a Purple Proc.
Again, MB > PS > AS > SS requires SS to be at 100% Recharge and have 200% Global Recharge. The benefits of MB > PS > AS > SS over PS > SR > AS > SS are minor. As for MB > SR> AS > SS, it's likely inferior due to SBEs |
That is, either MB > PS > AS > SS .... or .... MB > SR etc. not PS > SR > AS > SS which can't slot - RES.
How does AS-SR-PS-MB compare? I think avoiding SS has some merit for stalkers. Will help with Reactive and Assault(in its current form) too.
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I wish I could tell you, but the math of attack chains is beyond me when you have to factor in many things like -RES, DPA, purple procs vs. SBE procs, and apparently the +dmg buff from Body that you want to keep by not using SS.
Need smarter minds than me.
Anyway I've done a bit of math and the difference isn't too big, with the shorter chain coming out on top by a just a few percentages. I'll probably cycle it only when my recharge is reliably capped.
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