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The formula for calculating DPS using Rikti pylons is as follows:|
Originally Posted by Diggaroo
Hey there. I'm new to this forums section and pylon testing ordeal. I've recently made a Staff/Dark Armor Stalker I'm pleased with and I'd like to know how precisely to do the calculations to determine my dps. (Math is not a strong suit for me.) Also, these pylons are within the Rikti warzone, correct? Thanks for your time
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( 38343.75 / time ) + 127.8125 = DPS
Time equals seconds, so if you took 5 minutes to kill the pylon, time would be 5*60=300
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I'll check after my Trial marathon, sure. Although there's the possibility Bad Misses and other factors may skew the outcome, I'll do some tests.
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Hint: don't eat blues. It kills your dps. Surprising but true. Craft recovery serum, hit it before you start the fight. You are testing dps -- don't throw that off using inspis.
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Originally Posted by FallenHero
My DPS is very low compared to others (poor attack chain). But, hopefully, it will be a useful data point.
*Net Endurance Gain would actually be a little higher due to turning off Ninja Reflexes and [Aura of Mot]. Still no where near enough to solo a pylon without inspirations. |
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Hm, OK. So the theory best chain is [AS>SR] ... PS > MB > AS > SR|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
Yes, since you want your highest damaging attack to utilize the extra crit from AS. And the second highest damaging afterwards just in case you miss.
I just ran the numbers and results say that it's about the same DPS as AS-SR-PS-MB before reactive. So yeah, best to ditch SS for attack chains and leave it as a burst/mitigation tool or simply not take it. Nice build BTW. |
is that right?
so you use SR (2nd best attack after AS), and then PS after SR in case SR misses?
You guys are doing great work. I may respec over the weekend and test this new chain.
Switched up my build to run
[BU-AS-SR] ... PS>MB ... AS>SR>PS>MB (repeat)
got a best time of 3.24 in 5 runs
that's about 315 dps, or 17 dps more than my previous runs (3.45 for 298 dps).
I would have expected a bit more. Shrug.
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I think we can safely assume Staff for Stalkers caps at around 320 DPS, then.
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I think 3.45 is 298dps per the formula, hence a 19dps difference?|
Originally Posted by Reppu
SR > PS > AS > SS = 3:45 = 293 DPS MB > SR > AS > PS = 3:22 = 317 DPS = 24 DPS Difference |
I got a 17 dps difference so we are in the margin of error (3.24 best time with me under new chain).
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I'm curious what T4 Musc, instead of T3, will do.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
I think we can safely assume Staff for Stalkers caps at around 320 DPS, then.
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Then there is always Hybrid
Hybrid will just add the same amount of damage to all sets, so it's TL;DR.
I have Tier 4 Musculature now. I'll run another test... in a bit.
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Also if you are using waterspout, you should be getting higher dps than me. All my times are just with the attack chain shown. We are awfully close on DPS which is interesting if you are continuing to use waterspout.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
Hybrid will just add the same amount of damage to all sets, so it's TL;DR.
I have Tier 4 Musculature now. I'll run another test... in a bit. |
Not sure if it is a difference in procs, or if it is the difference between your T4 Reactive and my T4 Degenerative.
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... I'm not sure what Degenerative does to the overall time, to be honest. You shouldn't be beating me with Water Spout in the least, though.|
Originally Posted by Granite Agent
Also if you are using waterspout, you should be getting higher dps than me. All my times are just with the attack chain shown. We are awfully close on DPS which is interesting if you are continuing to use waterspout.
Not sure if it is a difference in procs, or if it is the difference between your T4 Reactive and my T4 Degenerative. |
Degenerative might really bork up the equations.
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With T4 Musc now, alongside T4 Degen, and the new chain of AS-SR-PS-SS I am now getting times of around 3.10-3.15. My best so far was 3.03 and I've had outliers the other way (e.g., 3.25). I think the RNG on procs really comes into play, and a single miss of AS, or a mis-timing on BU, can really cost you seconds.|
Originally Posted by Granite Agent
Switched up my build to run
[BU-AS-SR] ... PS>MB ... AS>SR>PS>MB (repeat) got a best time of 3.24 in 5 runs that's about 315 dps, or 17 dps more than my previous runs (3.45 for 298 dps). I would have expected a bit more. Shrug. Code:
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3.03 is ~338 dps so perhaps that's closing in on the theoretical max? A more average time of 3.15 is ~325dps.
EDIT: noted that in the context of Degenerative, "DPS" is a bit misleading as it's really "effective dps" considering Degen's -HP buff lowers the pylon's HP and thus reduces the time to defeat it. It's not pure dps addition like Reactive and its -RES alongside DOT. Never meant to imply otherwise. With Degen, I defeat pylon in [X] time and have [y] effective dps.
I'll get around to doing another test with AS > SR > PS > MB. Lazy still.
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Hell I got too bored trying to finish one run on my kinetic melee stalker and gave up. I was around 1/2 down or so. |
Originally Posted by Reppu
I'll get around to doing another test with AS > SR > PS > MB. Lazy still.
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I give kudos with those capable to taking the tedium for the sake of knowledge.
Too many alts to list.
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Honestly i just sit there watching the buttons in my power tray and pressing the next one when the circle is around the one before it. I don't even look at me fighting the pylon any more |
Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Hell I got too bored trying to finish one run on my kinetic melee stalker and gave up. I was around 1/2 down or so.
I give kudos with those capable to taking the tedium for the sake of knowledge. |
I do keep one eye on the stopwatch on my phone haha
9:40/193 dps on my casual, non-optimal staff/ice/lev. (T3 Musc Radial Revamp, T2 Spectral Radial)
Terrible compared to you guys, but I'm just happy because it's the first time I've had the patience to kill one.
No insps/temps, but lots of EAs, HFs and IBs and a couple Rebirths. My attack chain was mostly AS->small pause->SS->PS->SR. Use whatever click I need in the pause.
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Man, the Stalker forum is pretty quiet for the past few days. Where is everyone?
By the way, how is Spectral interface? What's good for it?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Just found this thread.
After the new stalker changes went through I took out a pylon with my Claws/Nin stalker. T4 Agility which I didn't bother to unslot but no other Incarnate powers used, no pets, temps, offensive powers from the epic pool, etc. [Edit: wait, I tell a lie, T3 Reactive as well]
Took on the order of 5 minutes but I didn't stopwatch it. Maybe 6. I think.
I'm not sure he could do it before this, or at least I probably wouldn't have had the patience to button mash for that long.
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Eh, I just took it because I hadn't taken it yet... the gfx look kind of neat.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Man, the Stalker forum is pretty quiet for the past few days. Where is everyone?
By the way, how is Spectral interface? What's good for it? |
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Regen is based on Max HP. Degenerative lowering Max HP is, in a sense, a Regen debuff. If no one does the math by the time I get to work tomorrow, I'll try to calculate it myself.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
... I'm not sure what Degenerative does to the overall time, to be honest. You shouldn't be beating me with Water Spout in the least, though.
Degenerative might really bork up the equations. |
This thread has been quiet for a while so I took my Ninja Blade I've been tweaking for a spin. 2:49 for 354 DPS
The Only Token Black Guy
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Originally Posted by Murdok
Your mom's real name is Castle.
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Post the build?
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Originally Posted by Swansu
This thread has been quiet for a while so I took my Ninja Blade I've been tweaking for a spin. 2:49 for 354 DPS
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It's my first build that I've been working on without any outside help so once it gets to a place where I'm completely happy with it I'll post it.|
Originally Posted by Granite Agent
Post the build?
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I do use T4 Assault Core, T4 Degen Radial, T4 Musc Radial, no Water Spout though
The Only Token Black Guy
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Originally Posted by Murdok
Your mom's real name is Castle.
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Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster