New Powers or New Animations?

I just keep hoping they'll share the animations between MA and STJ. If I recall, StJ is pretty even for DPS between Brutes, Tankers, and Scrappers, with StJ beating out MA for Stalkers.

Brutes and Scrappers can then choose either set for whatever reason. Tankers can decide between StJ's bit more AOE versus MA's additional defense.

Stalkers...well...I guess they can choose for different effects.

But I'd love to replace CU with EC's animation, put in Storm Kick's animation instead of Heavy Blow or Initial Strike.

Have Spinning Strike's animation as the AOE set. It'd be the hand to hand fighter I want to make.

I think they could do this for StJ and MA with other sets animations too, but they'd just lack the power effects (Dark Melee's negative energy, or EM's pom poms). Cause I personally love Barrage's animation

New animations or else certain parts of the game starts to become dated. The flurry of new powers since Freedom launched has breathed life into the game. But now I think it is time for catchup with existing power sets to be turned into sleek or even simple for purists.

Isn't it true that any alternate animations have to have the same playtime as the originals for the set to work as designed? Doesn't that put a damper on sharing between Street Justice and Martial Arts without some rework?

This thread reminds me of when people said they'd be willing to buy dance animations, then when the dance animations came out everyone flipped out that Paragon was charging money for dance animations.

Then BaBs got fired.

The main reason why people are playing Street Justice so much is the animations. I keep asking people why they play and its always that. I say add animations to a lot of sets.

Also, to save time, a lot of people have asked for a Beast Style Melee, with clawing, etc. Why not just edit some animations for Street Justice. Saves time and prevents copy Sets.

Haha, if I remember right, Maelstrom is Martial Arts, but uses the OLDSCHOOL animations which players no longer have access to. o_O

yup, here they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BvZFM6WGFI

Short vid, you may need to watch it a few times.

ok, here's the post i was referencing, apparently it was entirely about martial arts, its from the old all things art:animation thread. the links still work.


(WARNING: lots of video links to public access style martial arts instructional videos ahead, i cant speak for the quality and production values of the demonstrators, but i selected the vids because they best showed the techniques as i had envisioned them, much butt-rock awaits)

ok dave, haven't gone through the whole thread, but for animation, my interests
primarily are in more alternate animations, particularly for martial arts. though i would also be interested in replacements for melee based attacks from the elemental sets(energy, electric, fire and ice spring to mind) i have mentioned these a few times, but since this thread is the main area for it, ell, it seems appropriate. i usually mention getting moves from a few martial art styles, muay thai, capoeria, what i called "movie kung0-fu) and korean karate are my usual suggestions. this list seems like it needs a bit of expansion though for here.

first, it seems that kinetic melee is, from the pax vid, going to address the movie kung fu idea(i called it that because there are hundreds of different styles of kung fu, often with indistinguishable differences, but we all generally know the showy style with primarily open handed strikes from movies and fighting games) so while id love to see the two share some animations, this would remove some priority.

for muai thai, the punches we recently got would do a pretty good job of covering the hand portion of the style, but my thought would be using the style's roundhouse kick heavy style for replaces for storm kick, with a low leg strike. example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPIJ...eature=related this is similar to the current storm kick, but delivered at thigh level, and with rotation of the hips to sell it more. replace crane kick with a high roundhouse strike to the head(example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3B3e...eature=related)., preferably with a full follow through of the foot through the target, and finally, for eagles claw, perhaps replace that with the jumping knee(sagat's tiger knee from street fighter 2 being a good example).

the next style i was asking for moves for was capoeria, this would possibly be tricky for characers wearing skirts, due to the occasional standing on their hands in some techniques, , but a few techniques struck me as unique enough to add value as animation replacers. the first is called a mei lua de compasso. it involves a full body turn, so i'd see it possibly being a replace for axe kick. in videos i have seen it delivered higher and low, preferably aiming it at average head height would make it look dynamic. here is a fair idea what i am going for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n94G...eature=related The other capoeria technique that i feel would be a nice addition would be the parafuso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7--b1h-kY0 again, this technique is similar to what we use in the thunder kick now, but the added lift of the first leg and more dynamic full body follow through would make it another good heavy hitter animation for an eagles claw replacer.

finally i mentioned the korean karate variation, now i have generally felt that this was the style coh was originally going for, given how strong their variation of the side kick in it was, as well as since they use the axe kick, which generally is less popular in japanese and most chines styles that i have seen. but in coh there are a few elements that the current animations do poorly and i would love to see the option of having better versions of them.

First, the storm kick seems to be attempting to be a roundhouse kick, but the limited hip movement and lack of chambering of the knee prior to striking really break immersion for me, the coh version looks like a very LAZY roundhouse kick(note, i am saying the martial artist doing this would be being lazy, not calling animator lazy). a variation i woudl like to see is in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfSfiOxsfTo you will notice what i am talking about with the chambering of the knee, it really does sell the kick more.

the next technique that id like to see fixed would be the side kick in "crane kick" its a strong technique in game, but the application again looks lazy. I would love if we had an option where the character brought their knee up higher, pushed more with their body toward the target when striking, and extended their heel more to make the contact look more crisp. heres another example, i apologize for the butt-rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfSfiOxsfTo

ok that is my alternate animations selection for the martial arts set. it is thematically my absolute favorite set, and when alternate animations were announced, it was literally a bigger thing to me than inventions, ae or going rogue, now if you have the time and resources to add a few of these techniques I would be thrilled. if their animations could fit existing animation times, perhaps some of these strikes could be put in the elemental sets as alternates as well with flames, sparks and the like appearing on the feet when the strikes are delivered.


END OLD POST. basically my thoughts for other sets are less obsessive, but for me the key is versitility, fire, ice, earth, even elec and energy, though those sets dont use weapons, it would be nice if variants existed for entirely unarmed strikes existed, or if you could choose the straight sword from ice, the scimitar from fire, the hammer from stone and maybe even an axe or one handed claw. and for the unarmed sets, it would be nice if we got a mix of kicks as well as punches.

similarly, for blasts, it would be nice for standard sets as well as epics to be able to choose emination points, like open hands, closed fists(for power rings and tech gauntlet themes) mouths and heads, as well as wands, some sort of ray gun and, whie it sspecific, an electric guitar, hey, its a well worn trope in both anime and western comics/cartoons.

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Well, I guess at this point those of us who have something to say have said it. Let's just hope the Devs noticed.

I've always liked MA's Crane Kick. Wished that replaced Shin Breaker for StJ, cause honestly, why break your shin when I break your face?

Don't believe me? Ask Liu Kang.