By
Agonus,
Posted on: 2012-02-10 15:22 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by Agonus
I still think the Borg are Cybermen done right.
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Superior crossovers!
and a random crossover >.>
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Originally Posted by Hero_of_Steel
Yep Pre-Traveler and I agree that Adric would win, Post Traveler Adric would be toast.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Depends on who's writing.
If it's Roddenberry's crew, Wesley would have some off-the-wall ***-pull that'd bring him out on top...again... |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I think you mean Cybermen are Borg on a budget. So are the Daleks for that matter.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Ignoring the obvious chronological issues i can see your point if you're referring to the original Cybermen, but not so much the newer version, and far less so the Daleks since their origin and goals are so different from the Borg's.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
What I was referring to is what designs the Doctor Who show could have come up with if the show had a comparable budget to Next Generation. Robbie the Robot showed us what could be done with a budget in 1956 which predates both Trek and Who.
As far as the Dalek origin and goals, they seem to have gotten twisted in the new series as far as being willing to "assimilate" human DNA for what they considered Dalek genetic material so they could rebuild the race. |
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Originally Posted by KowaiKawaii
I'm curious if the Borg and Cybermen will team up.
Has the potention to be really bad or good. |
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Originally Posted by Agonus
I think the more zombie-ish aspect of the Borg, and the simpler costumes, are more effective for hordes of evil cyborgs.
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Only on TV. In the movies, the Borg are way more complicated.
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Originally Posted by houtex
Only on TV. In the movies, the Borg are way more complicated.
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As I said....
The Cybermen would simply be assimilated by the Borg....end of story....I said END OF STORY!
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Originally Posted by Agonus
I get what you mean, but I was referring more to, imho, modern Cybermen looking and acting like sentai villains, and in a bad way. I understand what they're going for, a bunch of identical cyborgs moving in lockstep as a frightening idea. But to me it just looks damned silly on the show. I think the more zombie-ish aspect of the Borg, and the simpler costumes, are more effective for hordes of evil cyborgs.
Daleks are another matter. Not a fan of the saltshaker tank design, m'self. *shrug* |
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Originally Posted by Sevenpenny
As I said....
The Cybermen would simply be assimilated by the Borg....end of story....I said END OF STORY! |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Cybermen never phased me, but then neither do the Borg. And the Daleks? Sorry can't help but laugh at any race of interstellar conquerors that are easily defeated by steps.
Yes I know in the new series they can fly. |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Uhm. The borg assimilate people by injecting their flesh with nanobots. Cybermen don't have flesh. They are a head/brain encased in armor, the body is robotic. There isn't anyplace for the nanobots to be injected. Same reason the Daleks can't be assimilated. The Borg can't get thru the armored chassis without killing the organic control center.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Weren't they occasionally shown hovering in Classic Who?
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Weren't they occasionally shown hovering in Classic Who?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Uhm. The borg assimilate people by injecting their flesh with nanobots. Cybermen don't have flesh. They are a head/brain encased in armor, the body is robotic. There isn't anyplace for the nanobots to be injected. Same reason the Daleks can't be assimilated. The Borg can't get thru the armored chassis without killing the organic control center.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
The nanobot thing came from Star Trek First Contact and was later used in the Voyager episodes with the Borg. When they were working on Picard, it looked more like they were performing surgery to implant the devices and link him to the collective.
However I am not a fan of these franchise crossovers and hope this doesn't happen. |
The Cybermen are scary, the Borg are dangerous....but the Daleks are both and they're genocidal maniacs. I present to you exhibit A.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=kBSOhODoch0
S.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Cybermen never phased me, but then neither do the Borg. And the Daleks? Sorry can't help but laugh at any race of interstellar conquerors that are easily defeated by steps.
Yes I know in the new series they can fly. |
The Borg manifest as cybernetically-enhanced humanoid drones of multiple species, organized as an interconnected collective, the decisions of which are made by a hive mind, linked by subspace radio frequencies. The Borg inhabit a vast region of space in the Delta Quadrant of the galaxy, possessing millions of vessels. They operate solely toward the fulfilling of one purpose: to "add the biological and technological distinctiveness of other species to [their] own" in pursuit of "perfection". The concept of perfection is the unifying idea at the core of the Borg. The pursuit of an unemotional, mechanical perfection is the Borg's only motivation. This is achieved through forced assimilation, a process which takes individuals and technology, enhancing and controlling them.
and I think that this is where the idea for nanotech comes from:In the graphic novel Star Trek: The Manga, the Borg resulted from an experiment in medical nanotechnology gone wrong.
and SPOILER ALERT:
In the novel Lost Souls (the third book in the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy) the Borg are revealed to be the survivors of the Caeliar city Mantilis. Thrown across the galaxy in the Delta Quadrant and back in time to approximately 4500 BC by the destruction of Erigol at the climax of Gods of Night, the first book in the trilogy, a group of human survivors from the starship Columbia NX-02 and Caeliar scientists try to survive in a harsh arctic climate. Most of the human survivors die of exposure, while several Caeliar are absorbed into their race's gestalt to give life to the others in their group mind.
The Caeliar offer the remaining humans a merging of human and Caeliar, to allow both groups to survive. The human survivors are resistant and as time goes on, the Caeliar called Sedin becomes the sole survivor of her group, her mental processes and her form both degrading as time goes on. When the humans return to Sedin for help, she forces them to merge with her, unwilling to allow herself to die when a union can save her life. The forced merging of the humans and the mostly-decayed Caeliar results in the creation of the first Borg. The gestalt group mind is perverted to become the collective, driven by Sedin's desperate hunger and need to add the strength, technology and life-force of others to her own. Ironically, while the Caeliar were - albeit accidentally - involved in the creation of the Borg, they also provide the means to end it; in the 24th century, the Caeliar absorb the entire Borg collective back into themselves, ending the cyborgs' centuries-long reign of terror.
Here's a link to the cover.
http://snipurl.com/2281b8n
Q is more akin to 'Light', the character from McCoy's 'Ghost Light' in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Daleks were originally imprisoned in a single building on rails more or less...
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Gonna have to agree with houtex on this one. This rates right up there with the second Highlander movie.
Don't want to see a Star Wars crossover either. Now I could see possibilities in a Who/B5 crossover as long as the Doctor was kept away from the main storyline on Babylon 5 itself. But even that has an overwhelming chance of failure. |
