Unwelcome change to Montague's Arc
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Aneko,
Posted on: 2012-01-24 19:04 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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You don't actually; just the first mission or so gives access to the badge and merits. I've a bunch of characters who have that arc hanging around unfinished.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
You mean how every single character you make has to do Levantera's beginning arc to get the Member of Vanguard badge and thus receive Vanguard Merits?
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
Ok, seems I forgot/mis-interpreted the patch notes. I thought this barred you from doing the 'complete while doing the missions in tandem' route.
So, not quite as dire as I thought. This is what I get for posting at 3am...
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I've never joined a team to get the badge needed to enter the midnighters club, so cant say im all too fussed about this change. Doesnt affect me in the slightest 
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Obviously they're going to start selling "Midnighter Access Tokens" in the Paragon Market. |
Originally Posted by Black Zot
A poorly written, poorly designed, and all-around asinine story arc that pits you against one of the game's most annoying enemy factions and has to be run with every single character you make if you have even the slightest interest in doing Cimeroran content (including one of the game's most popular pastimes in the ITF) or IIRC any of the other Midnighter arcs.
Outside of the Incarnate stuff, that's about as onerous as it gets in this game. |
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A partial solution would be to get a Midnighter club access as a Vet Reward
I don't think the arc per se is bad, but it's monotonous once you've done it the first 47 times. Once we've done it a few times it would be nice not to have to do it for every toon. It's not like the ITF is skippable content is it?
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
A partial solution would be to get a Midnighter club access as a Vet Reward
I don't think the arc per se is bad, but it's monotonous once you've done it the first 47 times. Once we've done it a few times it would be nice not to have to do it for every toon. It's not like the ITF is skippable content is it? |
Oh i hope they never add access to a vet reward/the reward tier, theres already a huge gap between a new VIP and anything above tier 6.
Edit: I even saw somebody in local chat the other day being confused that a player couldnt use /auctionhouse thinking that all VIPs had it
[love that btw! Aint been near a WW since it came out!]
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Oh i hope they never add access to a vet reward/the reward tier, theres already a huge gap between a new VIP and anything above tier 6.
Edit: I even saw somebody in local chat the other day being confused that a player couldnt use /auctionhouse thinking that all VIPs had it [love that btw! Aint been near a WW since it came out!] |
MAybe not a high tier but I'd just like to get access without doing the arc every time... it's not like the Midnight club is a secret any more.
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Boo hoo.
Welcome to how it's always been on villian side.
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Sounds likely. Yet we still hear people saying "My using an exploit doesn't affect your play." Well, those of you unhappy about this change: the exploit-users ruined it for you.|
Originally Posted by terrible_deli
I imagine this was the solution to fix the actual bug.
The one that allowed you to talk to the Latin Student, earn the badge then abandon the mission. Picking up the mission again put you at the point of talking to the Latin student, so you could earn the badge for another group of players. |
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
The time is long past where a lot of people help others just for the sake of helping. I've even seen people demanding inf for their help...
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I find the villainside access arc significantly less irritating. Fewer missions, less running around; I usually just burn a mission skip for the first mission with all the bosses, then punch through the other two missions and that's that. No need to leave the zone, no "go talk to X" missions.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Boo hoo.
Welcome to how it's always been on villian side. |
Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
Get rid of the lock all together.
There's nothing so special about the zone that it should be stuck behind a lock like this (and heroside one of the most annoying suicidal NPCs around) anyway. There's almost zero content there besides the ITF, which is already level restricted, and two NPCs, also level restricted.
Either that or make the badge a global one. Run it once.
Of course, I fully expect the devs to read that and interpret it as "Hey, an Empyrian merit reward, 20 of them per character to unlock without running the arc!"
Besides, getting rid of the lock would get rid of the rather stupid discrepancy between hero and villain side. Heroside, run at 15, get the fluff "Origin of Power" arc at 35. Villainside, get the fluff arc at 10-15, then run the unlock at 35. So, for someone that switches between characters and sides...
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
Not being able to get vanguard merits doesn't keep you out of any zones.
Not having Dimensional Warder doesn't keep you out of any zones.
Not having this badge does. I hated key quest lines to unlock raid access for each and every character in that other game.
"Hey wanna do an ITF?" "Sure, this guy hasn't done one yet. Sonofa... Nevermind, have to go save Percy, again, have fun storming the castle."
"Hey, wanna do an ITF?"
"Sure! Oh wait, haven't unlocked it on this guy yet, let me get my fender instead."
Boooooooooo!
And I was saving the "Talk to" part on one of my toons for the next time I run an ITF and someone doesn't have the zone unlocked.
Who do I have to *&^% around here to get more Targeted AoE recipes added?
Arc Name: Tsoo In Love
Arc ID: 413575
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You know, if we're talking about a new player who's never run the arc before, maybe they should try it before running the ITF. It's a neat arc. By the time they're done with it, another ITF will be forming.
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Really sucks if someone doesn't have another character that would (remember the free 2 character limit? Or the limited unlocks for Premiums?) or actually *wants* to play that character. But hey, don't let THAT hold you back from you being you.
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Unless, of course, they're trying to stay teamed with friends and don't want to hold them back for the not-insignificant amount of time it takes to run it. For even more "fun" put them on a low-damge, non-mez-protected character. |
Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
You know, if we're talking about a new player who's never run the arc before, maybe they should try it before running the ITF. It's a neat arc. By the time they're done with it, another ITF will be forming.
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And no, it's not a "neat" arc. It's a fairly ridiculous arc with a suicidal NPC in the middle of it in an undroppable mission, heroside, and a time-waster at the end as you wait for a ridiculous recharge on a temp power that does something that gives you zero XP (not that you'd get XP for Lost at 35.)
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
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Originally Posted by KemLi
This is one of those arcs that really brings teams together and I honestly don't see the reason for this upcoming change.
Completely against this train of thought. If you're on a team and get help to complete the arc, this badge should continue to be awarded to all. This is a team sport and you're removing the incentive , I honestly don't see the reasoning. |
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Didn't you know that makes you a dirty game-breaking, baby-eating, mass murdering exploiter? Just read earlier in the thread!
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Who do I have to *&^% around here to get more Targeted AoE recipes added?
Arc Name: Tsoo In Love
Arc ID: 413575
If they're teamed with friends, surely these friends would be happy to help them with the arc? New player, everything is shiny, let's help her with the lady jane mission so that the worst case scenario you're describing doesn't happen! But no, you say these friends are so keen on an ITF that they'll abandon their cohort at the drop of a hat. Tell me, Stormbird, are these people really friends?
By the way, everyone I know has run over one million ITFs. Nobody ever says, "We need to run an ITF before it's too late!!"
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try it on liberty on the lb channel, you will get help, and fast.and no inf, at worst you will get some poor spelling goofball who makes dumb puns during the mish.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
The time is long past where a lot of people help others just for the sake of helping. I've even seen people demanding inf for their help...
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No, stopping the exploiters is what caused the problem. The exploiters were not harming anyone in this particular case.
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Sounds likely. Yet we still hear people saying "My using an exploit doesn't affect your play." Well, those of you unhappy about this change: the exploit-users ruined it for you.
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Don't like this change. It's not a huge deal to run the arc, but it was nice to be able to jump on the final mission to get the quick zone unlock.
They really ought to have changed the Lost Curing Wand recharge to something close to immediate. The current recharge is nonsensically long. Toss us a frickin' bone already.
I've suggested it elsewhere and will suggest it again. Similar to aura and cape unlocks, sell Cimerora access in the PM. Like capes and auras, the option remains to run the arc and get Cim access for free, on a per character basis. Or, pony up, say, 400 points for an account-wide unlock.
IMO.
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this is a perfect answer. especially "poor taste in clothing" part.
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Originally Posted by Seschat
Just do what I do: run it as soon as it comes up at level 10. No ghosts, no anathemas, just a bunch of guys with poor taste in clothing. Usually about enough xp to get to lvl 11, and time for the King's Row radio missions.
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That said, kind of a silly change, but not quite end of the world either.
It's not just this MMO either, it's all over. The golden age is over, now it's all about self.
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