Non-preformed DfB, does it still happen?

And if so, which server?

I haven't been able to reliably get into a DfB by queuing up solo since a couple of weeks after it went live. Indeed, lately I've had as much luck with it as I have getting into iTrials like that. Which kinda robs the LFG feature of its usefulness.

Yeah to bad, I wish people would use the LFG feature at least for DfB.

And if the people complaining about having to wait forever in queue would take the initiative to recruit their own teams they'd be doing the DFB as frequently as everyone else.

From what I have seen on my server most DfB trials won't launch until they have 8. Since those who run that want XP they are unwilling to launch with less so they can max out the XP. Usually on my server you need do nothing more then got to Atlas Park and broadcast that you want on one. There is usually a big crowd running nothing but.

Quick note for those that are idiots like me...I noticed that there were still so many sewer teams forming in Atlas. It hit me one day that they weren't talking about sewers at all, but they were forming DfB trials. Seems incredibly ridiculous to me that people switched to calling it that (especially when it meant something else not too long ago), but for those that are slow like me, "Sewer Teams" are DfB. Those who are smart, ignore this comment.

I think it would help if the queue showed the number of people waiting. That would give folks more incentive to join when the number of folks got close to what was required. It would also allow one to, for example, see that there's 2 people in the queue now, form a team of 6, and join the queue and get 8, which would mean more folks would be encouraged to join the queue solo since they'd get teams more often.

It would also help if the "wait times" were at least sorta-kinda accurate. Right now they're just pure fiction.

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Originally Posted by Zybron1 But, the most important part of the system that other MMO uses is that while you are waiting to join an event, you can quest. So, waiting isn't an issue. Hopefully, after issue 22, the LFG system will actually work more like that other MMO and actually be used.

Yes, this would be massive big huge improvement. Do you know if this is actually being worked on for 22 or are you just speculating?

I have, on occasion, joined the LFG queue and sat in a shop or university with an /auctionhouse window open, just playing around on the market until the queue popped. You can get pulled onto other teams that way (most recently did it four days ago) and you CAN run DFB with less than 8, as I did one yesterday which had 6 when we queued.

Most people don't sit in the queue, however, because doing so prevents entering instanced missions, which is pretty much what the game runs on. So you can either hang out doing something which isn't quite playing the game as it was planned (and which many players I've heard from consider quite boring), or you can actively form a team and use the TuT for a pre-formed team. It seems rather obvious why the player base chooses the option it does.

The interesting point is how to fix it. The obvious thought, initially, is to get the LFG queue to continue to function inside instanced missions. I'm not sure if there's a technical hurdle preventing that from occurring, but that also ignores the practical hurdles: What if someone queues and then wants to join a mission team? What if two or three people want to do it? What if you're running a timed mission? If you permit people in the queue to join teams, is there a warning available to the team leader, or does that person just disappear in the middle of the mission? What if it's their mission? Every answer leads to more and harder questions, and I'd like to see discussion on the matter, but in the end I'm happy to not be the one making the decision.

I haven't done LFR yet but max level LFD queues are generally 10-15 minutes for DPS and DPS waits are caused by a lack of the other two roles, a problem LFG shouldn't have, lacking roles.

It's funny that the game that drove me to CoH because of the cliques and being at their mercy to do things is now way more pug friendly (hello LFR, suck it "elite" raiders) than CoH and CoH with its endgame trialers has driven me back to that which I had fled. For the same reasons. The circle is now complete.

Hopefully there's some server out there where LFG works the way it was intended, well, where the players let the LFG work the way it was intended. Inaction aside, the devs didn't break LFG, we, the players did.

I don't random queue for it anymore, it's just not worth it to me if there aren't AVs in it. Instead, I typically form a team of 6 and let people know via broadcast that now'd be a good time to queue.

Anytime I feel like queueing up for DFB, I announce in Broadcast and Help that I'm queueing up, encourage others to queue up, and within five minutes I'm inside the sewers. Without ever having done anything more than 'enter queue'.

It doesn't take much more than a little nudge for people to use things the way they were meant to be used. Just keep reminding them that it's there for it, and eventually they'll use it on their own.

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The problem with the LFG system is that people by and large would rather fill teams to the maximum, leaving no room for people to jump in. Which means the LFG people will be waiting a long, long time.

Which is kind of a shame, really, given that LFG queuers don't have to be in the same zone as everyone else. I took advantage of this during the Winter Lord trials a couple of times, keeping my character where she was but jumping in LFG, and letting the trial-runner know so he'd leave a few slots free.