Non-preformed DfB, does it still happen?


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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
And if the people complaining about having to wait forever in queue would take the initiative to recruit their own teams they'd be doing the DFB as frequently as everyone else.
Or they could send tells to the people who are frequently advertising LFMs for DfB. But in either case, what then is the point of the LFG feature as that sort of team-forming was going on just as (in)efficiently before the LFG feature existed.


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Never mind that using closed leagues and preforms in LFG defeats both the intent and purpose of LFG.
No it doesn't.

Closed leagues eliminates the butt hurt players would feel when they found they were booted from off of leagues they weren't invited to join. Which was happening before the devs added closed leagues.

The devs made preforming necessary when they decided to make the spawning of AV's dependent upon the number of players in the league. I've watched players quit teams after the trial started when they saw the number of members wasn't enough to spawn the AV's.


 

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The LFG queue concept is schizophrenic. On the one hand, it's a great way to jump into a team without forming or being recruited for one. On the other hand, not all teams formed completely at random work well. The DFB trial is such that, in general, completely randomly assembled teams are probably OK. A fair bit of content would probably be OK like that. Incarnate Trials are not like that, especially the newest ones.

Another issue with the LFG queue (one of many, IMO, but this isn't the thread for that) is that its rules are more ... arcane than I think most people expect. They are not clearly documented in the interface, and the short, simple descriptions on the interface are potentially misleading. For example, "Willing to join in progress" will never add you to any trial team that already has the minimum number of players - something I don't think is documented anywhere in the interface.


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For example, "Willing to join in progress" will never add you to any trial team that already has the minimum number of players - something I don't think is documented anywhere in the interface.
Well that explains why checking that never seemed to help.


 

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Never mind that using closed leagues and preforms in LFG defeats both the intent and purpose of LFG.
This is clearly false. The option to close a league was programmed in by the devs so it is - BY DEFINITION - part of the 'intent'.


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This is clearly false. The option to close a league was programmed in by the devs so it is - BY DEFINITION - part of the 'intent'.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.


 

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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Inconceivable!


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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
It doesn't change the fact that the devs intended players to be able to form closed leagues because they deliberately included that feature as part of the queue system.

This isn't a case of players using an obscure work around whose unintended side effect is the ability to form a closed league. Closed leagues are working exactly as intended.


 

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We cannot take the absence of a feature to mean that the ability to do something was explicitly decided against. It could also mean it did not occur to them that people would want it. There is a world of difference in "we thought of you doing this but chose not to give you the ability" and "we just didn't think about you doing this".

If the devs came out and said they never wanted closed leagues, that'd be one thing. But to Ironblade and Forbin's points, even if they did say that at one point, they've clearly changed their minds.


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