how much of paragon city do you want to clean up?
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Posted on: 2011-12-30 17:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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None of it. I don't actually like the phasing tech that leaves the city crime-free. It breaks my sense of immersion, ironically. I fly across Atlas with my lvl 50 and see no mobs, and it makes me think 'hm, nothing here for my lvl 1s to do then'.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
You can clean up a few areas of Atlas and get rid of the criminals
How much of Paragon would you like to clean up? It gives a feeling of accomplishment, but then you cannot hunt in those areas. Might make defeat badges hard to get, or just make the game seem dull. Personally I would like to clean up basically all of it. I would like to do a Striga arc that defeated the council base there, that sort of thing. |
I like to think that all my toons exist in the same city at the same time, so I'm quite happy with not being able to actually ever completely stop crime. Spidey never runs out of muggers to hang from streetlights, does he?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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I like the phasing tech, although I dislike the delay things have for spawning with it. When you are running into a phase where there is supposed to be mobs, they 'suddenly appear' rather than being able to be seen at a distance if they were normal mobs which were already spawned 'off screen'.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
Personally I would like to clean up basically all of it. I would like to do a Striga arc that defeated the council base there, that sort of thing.
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But I too would rather enjoy seeing streets actually 'cleaned up' based upon my actions, story arcs, etc.
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I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, I LOOOVE conquest-type gameplay where you slowly take over a whole city. That's the sort of progress that keeps me glued to my keyboard. If I could clean the city out of crime, I definitely would.
On the other hand, I HAAATE the phasing tech because of how it breaks teams apart - and it does, despite official documentation claiming it shouldn't. But if those technical issues could be solved, then I'd clean up all of it. So long as my new characters start out in a city which hasn't been cleaned, I'm all for it.
I'd also like to be able to clean up the city retroactively. If this possibility came out when my character was already 50 for a year, I'd like to be able to go back and do it anyway.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Most, if not all of it. Optionally, of course. Makes it seem like my heroes are making a difference.
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
None of it. I don't actually like the phasing tech that leaves the city crime-free. It breaks my sense of immersion, ironically. I fly across Atlas with my lvl 50 and see no mobs, and it makes me think 'hm, nothing here for my lvl 1s to do then'.
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The phasing tech in Atlas only removes 3 spawn points, and replaces them with PPD and arrested gang members - and the Arachnos invasion phases in and out over normal mobs who are unaffected by it.
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I am with the Captain on this one.. not that I would absolutely hate change but Atlas looks just a little too much like praetoria now. Yes its technically the seat of government in the game so it should look clean and shiny but with very little alteration it could be just another zone under the control of Emperor Cole.|
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
None of it. I don't actually like the phasing tech that leaves the city crime-free. It breaks my sense of immersion, ironically. I fly across Atlas with my lvl 50 and see no mobs, and it makes me think 'hm, nothing here for my lvl 1s to do then'.
I like to think that all my toons exist in the same city at the same time, so I'm quite happy with not being able to actually ever completely stop crime. Spidey never runs out of muggers to hang from streetlights, does he? Eco |
Using the newer grahics I could see a small facelift to zones to make them newer looking but not a complete revamp. Kings Row is an industrial area with factories and warehouses .. its shhould be a little dirty and gritty not gleaming and with flowers on every corner. Steel Canyon is the busness district.. huge skyscrappers reaching to the clouds and lots of gleaming glass and steel. Indy port.. is, of course, a seaport with busy docks and huge warehouses.
If they want to CHANGE things start with some of the almost deserted hazard zones.. Boomtown is ghost town that players only visit when a tf sends them there or they take a fast run through to grab badges. The council occupy most of Striga and have a huge fortified base there.. why not do something similar in Boomtown for the 5th column. We all know they have plans to change Dark Astoria. I dont think zones like Terra Volta or Eden need any major overhaul.. change for no other reason than CHANGE is not a necessity!
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Then youre not looking very hard
The phasing tech in Atlas only removes 3 spawn points, and replaces them with PPD and arrested gang members - and the Arachnos invasion phases in and out over normal mobs who are unaffected by it. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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would you say the system rooked you?|
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
3 pawn points too many for me.
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for a serious answer, as much as possible, such that croatoa, which i have ostensibly saved and gotten in good with the cabal would be free of the red caps and no witch would take a swing at me. oroboros and teaming in other character's realities gives me the alt continuities for me to get my badges. My main reason for hating mmos, and i have several, is that you dont ever actually do anything meaningful. So for me, i realize my answer is on the extreme end, but phase as much as possible, i cant have enough, I'd like to affect things. I wish that after finishing the rwz, that the rikti spawns would diminish for me, to reflect the diminished power of the ministry of war after i beat hero one and herod..however the heck you spell it. I should just be fighting the remnants of those still loyal to a disgraced military leader, not a force as robust as when he had sway and public support. i would love to see the world reflecting that rian is not just pushing a stone up a hill, and stuff is coming of his heroism.
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"3" is too many? With as large as Atlas is? (And despite being one of the smallest zones, it IS large nonetheless.)
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
3 pawn points too many for me.
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I kind of like the tech and kind of don't.
It's kind of neat with my new heroes seeing how nice and safe some of the neighborhoods are now.
But it's kind of annoying with my older heroes to find the place rampant with vandalism and swarming with gangs. I -kind- of don't want to have to go back and do those arcs where formerly they didn't exist and so I was used to just the normal spawns.
I'd just kind of like a balance. I don't want to be able completely wipe out a gang, especially anything worth a badge, just so there's no possibility of removing my chance of getting it. But, yeah, some of it wouldn't be bad, I mean there are -so- many missions, especially like the 'kill X amount of gang" where the desc is something like "The carnies are pick pocketing and mind wiping people, put a stop to it" and.. well, the carnies just kinda pop in and out and hang out whether you do it or not. So it would be kind of cool to have an actual effect when a mission tells us 'thank you, you made a difference" and.. we really didn't.
Well, unless 'clean up' is a euphemism for 'conquer, pillage, and raze'...
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I like this option (and compromise). It's nice to see what each hero brings to a city, and with Oroborous, that makes allowances for those times when the character doesn't hit the zone in time. I agree that I don't like the 'zone-time' to take effect but I'll go with that if it means I can make a difference on each of my characters, as they experience the zone individually.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Most, if not all of it. Optionally, of course. Makes it seem like my heroes are making a difference.
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I see this as an evolving tool that will do so as the zones themselves do. Kings Row, Perez (and the addition of a TF or Story Arc), Boomtown (as a Pseudp-PvP envirozone), and the Shard (as a Co-Op zone) etc.. I, personally, would love to see some Rogue Isles zones 'cleaned up' due to the efforts of Longbow and a few Vigilantes who would make the effort 'off the books', or a few Paragon zones 'brought low' by the efforts of self-serving Rogues, but that's another story...
The thing is, the sky's the limit with the Dev's if they look at it the right way, our goal then, would be to encourage the 'right way' of looking at it.
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I couldn't agree more.
Yes with some after effects! 
You might have got rid of the hellions in the area, but that means there are now more in X area! Also with the hellions weakened it gives the way for the skulls to make their move on the hellions
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Well, unless 'clean up' is a euphemism for 'conquer, pillage, and raze'...
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@Golden Girl
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What is this phasing tech you are all talking about? I had no idea we were making any diference at all.
Enjoy your day please.
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Like in Atlas Park if you do the beginning story mission arc the first mission has you go over and beat up some Hellions. When you go back to that spot there aren't any more Hellions roaming around as the area is controlled by policemen who are standing about.|
Originally Posted by BashfulBanshee
What is this phasing tech you are all talking about? I had no idea we were making any diference at all.
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There's a similar area with Skulls that get replaced by Hellions, and anothr with Arachnos that get replaced by various enemies.
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Farewell is like the end
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What do you have against urban renewal?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Too many Heroes there to stop your evil plans
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Sure, it looks like conquering, pillaging and razing to the current inhabitants, but after it's finished you can get twenty times the old rates for the newly opened up properties. Mostly trading on the cachet the former residents had earned the area before being forced out, but that's just good business.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
What do you have against urban renewal?
Sure, it looks like conquering, pillaging and razing to the current inhabitants, but after it's finished you can get twenty times the old rates for the newly opened up properties. Mostly trading on the cachet the former residents had earned the area before being forced out, but that's just good business. |
Oh you and your crazy land-grab schemes!
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I couldn't agree more.
You can clean up a few areas of Atlas and get rid of the criminals
How much of Paragon would you like to clean up? It gives a feeling of accomplishment, but then you cannot hunt in those areas. Might make defeat badges hard to get, or just make the game seem dull.
Personally I would like to clean up basically all of it. I would like to do a Striga arc that defeated the council base there, that sort of thing.