Ah, yet another writer who doesn't know the meaning of "Decimate!"


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Heh. Don't sweat it. It actually did occur to me that all you were doing was trying to explain it, but I was also confused how that could be due to the existing reference it turned out you had missed.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex View Post
I agree to an extent, although I think "literally" is often not directly interchangeable with "figuratively." A statement like "I've figuratively been to hell and back today" has a different tone. I actually can't think of a word to replace "literally" in that sentence that indicates that the speaker is aware that the statement is technically false but so extreme as to be almost true.
I understand where you're coming from, but that is running with the opinion that your example statement with the word "figuratively" does not create that effect. That's an opinion I don't agree with.
The statement "I've been to hell and back today" is already extreme and also clearly false. Add in figuratively and you're just qualifying it for those who may be questioning your sanity (Or someone who thinks it is possibly true).
So, I'd say... if someone feels as though "figuratively" takes away from the impact one is looking for... Just leaving it out works perfectly fine.
Just my opinion and the way that I take the meanings of those words and types of statements.
I know that you're not alone in taking it as you do, but it is clearly out of error that it started. Not that this makes it completely incorrect... as many bits of language stem from misuse and become the new rules.

As opposed to what you said about it being a correct word to express the acknowledged hyperbole (and thus requiring the word's opposite meaning to be an alternate meaning), I'd just say it is used somewhat ironically (depending on your personal definition of that, hehe).
Using "literally" is using the opposite word, wryly, to express the hyperbole to the extreme, hehe.

Really though, any statement we come up with as an example where one could use literally instead of figuratively, does not actually need such a qualifier in it.
I figuratively leapt out of my skin!
I literally leapt out of my skin!
I leapt out of my skin!

For some reason, I guess some people think hyperbole needs more hyperbole in order to make it more impressive, hehe.


P.S. In case it's not clear, I'm not taking this too seriously or anything. I just found it to be interesting enough to discuss.


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I agree to an extent, although I think "literally" is often not directly interchangeable with "figuratively." A statement like "I've figuratively been to hell and back today" has a different tone. I actually can't think of a word to replace "literally" in that sentence that indicates that the speaker is aware that the statement is technically false but so extreme as to be almost true.
I think "really" or even maybe "seriously" carry the extremity of the statement without saying that it is factually true. I dislike "literally" being used for this because it cuts into the normal use of the word, when using it to say "this thing that could be taken as a metaphor/exaggeration is not actually one." If either meaning is correct, it's sometimes hard to know which one the speaker intends. Going to hell and back is obviously metaphor, but using it with a phrase like "makes me want to kill him" is potentially not.


 

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You did notice that's actually referenced by the quotes in my post, right? I'm well aware (and was before I went looking for them). My point in posting the dictionary references is to illustrate that the Latin use is a nonsensical thing to lambaste someone over when a trip to any modern dictionary reveals the Latin use of the term is, if not obsolete, only one of (basically) two accepted uses. Edit: And doing a little more digging, it looks like the newer use of the term has been with us since the 19th century.

It looks to me like an example of pedantic argument gone wrong.
17th century.


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pff. OP is being too pernickety.

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WTH? I have to mate with every 10th man?!?!? I'm not that kinda guy...

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But. then again, they /ARE/ Romans, right?

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ITT: Another self-righteous putz who uses obscure, ancient meanings of words instead of embracing the ever-evolving English language like everyone else does.

I'm sorry, but I really hate your kind. You come off as such a snooty ***** it makes me want to drop-kick you.
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Hmmmm....

Deci - prefix, a defining form meaning "tenth" ie- deciliter would indicate ten liters
Funny thing with greek prefixes, one little letter can change the whole meaning. For example, "deci" is one tenth of, "deca" is ten times as many. So what you meant to say in your id est up there was actually "deciliter would indicate a tenth of liter" and not ten liters, which would have been a decaliter.

Still, funny for comedic purposes.

To the OP: words evolve with time and usage. We are not living in Roman times which means that, although decimate used to have only the meaning you ascribe to it, it evolved into all new other meanings on par with nowadays cultures. That is what is great about polysemy. Embrace it and have fun.


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Decimate: A Roman punishment for cowardice in the legions. Every tenth man in the unit of the man who showed cowardice was killed.

Thus, Decimate means "To reduce by 1/10th" - I'm pretty sure that I'd want to do far more than THAT to my enemies, titan weapons or not!

The word the writer is seeking for is "Devastate" - I blame the hordes of uneducated news reporters who have confused the two for decades...
Yet another pseudo-intellectual internet poster who doesn't understand that the origin of a word has only a small bearing on its use and meaning in common language.


 

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I think "really" or even maybe "seriously" carry the extremity of the statement without saying that it is factually true. I dislike "literally" being used for this because it cuts into the normal use of the word, when using it to say "this thing that could be taken as a metaphor/exaggeration is not actually one." If either meaning is correct, it's sometimes hard to know which one the speaker intends. Going to hell and back is obviously metaphor, but using it with a phrase like "makes me want to kill him" is potentially not.

I can see why some people feel that way. Although I do think it's funny that "really" also often means "extremely" and not actually "real."



EDIT: Apparently someone has a blog devoted to tracking "misuse" of the word. Viewable here: http://literally.barelyfitz.com/page/2/

Counterpoints from a dictionary writer in an article for Slate magazine are here: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/t...e_to_hate.html


 

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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex View Post
Sidebar: I'm not sure I'm convinced that "literally" means "figuratively" now.
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I agree to an extent, although I think "literally" is often not directly interchangeable with "figuratively." A statement like "I've figuratively been to hell and back today" has a different tone. I actually can't think of a word to replace "literally" in that sentence that indicates that the speaker is aware that the statement is technically false but so extreme as to be almost true.
I didn't say it means figuratively. I said it literally means figuratively.


 

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I can see why some people feel that way. Although I do think it's funny that "really" also often means "extremely" and not actually "real."



EDIT: Apparently someone has a blog devoted to tracking "misuse" of the word. Viewable here: http://literally.barelyfitz.com/page/2/

Counterpoints from a dictionary writer in an article for Slate magazine are here: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/t...e_to_hate.html
Honestly, in the English language, while exacting usage can denote erudition, it's largely unimportant outside of scholarly, legal, professional and diplomatic venues.
In social mediums (conversation, informal e-mails, web boards for happy-fun pretendy-time games, etc), so long as the basic message is conveyed, exacting usage is unimportant.



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Tell you what. OP can carp and whine about a bit of grammar. Everyone else can get on playing with new shinies.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Decimate: A Roman punishment for cowardice in the legions. space missingEvery tenth man in the unit of the man who showed cowardice was killed.

Thus,unnecessary comma Decimate unnecessary capitalisation, should be in quotes means "To reduce by 1/10th lack of full stop" - unnecessay hyphen I'm pretty sure that I'd want to do far more than THAT unnecessary capitalisation to my enemies,incorrect use of comma titan weapons or not!

The word the writer is seeking for 'is seeking for' is bad english is "Devastate unnecessary capitalisation, lack of full stop" - unnecessary hyphen I blame the hordes of uneducated news reporters who have confused the two for decades...an ellipsis ending a sentence should consist of four periods
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What's going on? I'm busy decimating The Lost.


 

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Think I found everything.
Right on!

The word the writer seeks...
or
The word the writer is seeking...
or
The word the writer sought...


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is bad english
I'm no expert, but shouldn't 'english' be capitalized in English?


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May i, at this juncture, make use of the word wibble ?

For clarity it is used in the Blackadder goes forth context.


 

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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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May i, at this juncture, make use of the word wibble ?

For clarity it is used in the Blackadder goes forth context.
No, you may not. The context is all wrong. You may, however, make use of the phrase "Wankel rotary engine".


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Ugghh... That is utterly ridiculous (literally).

It's not entirely surprising...
I don't think it is officially recognized openly yet, but (let's face it) the word "idiot" will soon be held as a great title of respect.
You have only to look at US politics to see that.


Also: if you reduce each one of your enemies by 1/10 (as measured in body mass), the 90% that's left probably isn't in much of a mood to fight. So the definition closest to the original meaning - which was last valid around 2 millenia ago - fits rather nicely.


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I'm no expert, but shouldn't 'english' be capitalized in English?
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Serious question: Has the English language been decimated?
Well, it would of been, but their still people who protect it.
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17th century.
Even better!


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