When will Praetoria end??????


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Is it just me or are we a tad saturated with Praetorian content. It is now more than annoying to see most content include Praetorian lore. To me this just is dull and done to death. Most of the material is less than compelling. When can we have something new?! Not the umpteenth appearance of some old villain group but something new, exciting and epic. This is a superhero game! After 7.5 years you would think there'd be way more variety and epic content. Being offed by a turret in a trial is not epic! GAH! If there is a God, I pray he/she/it is watching and will help me here....help me...please...save our game....for the love of mankind...


 

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Mot will be answering your prayers in a bit.

See you in 6 months when you start complaining about being saturated with Batallion content and the coming storm.


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Originally Posted by TheJazMan View Post
Is it just me or are we a tad saturated with Praetorian content. It is now more than annoying to see most content include Praetorian lore. To me this just is dull and done to death. Most of the material is less than compelling. When can we have something new?! Not the umpteenth appearance of some old villain group but something new, exciting and epic. This is a superhero game! After 7.5 years you would think there'd be way more variety and epic content. Being offed by a turret in a trial is not epic! GAH! If there is a God, I pray he/she/it is watching and will help me here....help me...please...save our game....for the love of mankind...
not every company can have a army of people working on their game *looks over at Blizzard*


 

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The thing of it is, as much as it may be over-used (I don't think so, but I'm playing along), it's actually a valid threat from an in-game standpoint.

Look, for how many years before the Incarnate system was added were the Rikti the big dogs of the game? If you wanted high end content then, you ran Lady Grey, or you ran the ITF, which was the end-game of the Cimeroa story.

Going Rogue comes out, re-introducing all of the Praetorians (updating their bios, changing some powers around, fleshing out the world, etc.) There's also a larger connection to Incarnate stuff and end-game content because it makes sense.

The reason the Rikti cannot take over the world is that they cannot form a stable long-lasting portal back to their homeworld. They keep trying, we keep stopping them.

The reason Romulus can't take over the world is that we curb-stomp back when dirt was young.

But stable connections between Praetorian Earth and Primal Earth are open all the time. And Cole's forces weren't beaten in ancient history by time-traveling heroes/villains. He's a threat, here and now. And because he's got a bunch of people who are power hungry, just like him, they're going to try and find ways to increase their own power, generally at the expense of others. Not necessarily because they're evil (Praetoria seems to be more of a Black and Grey morality), but because this is the way they do things.

I mean, think about it. If, say, Chimera came to Primal Earth and repented for all of his past misdeeds, well, we'd probably welcome him with open arms. He won't do any such thing, of course, but if he did.... (I used Chimera, because he was 'raised by evil', so he's potentially redeemable, unlike, say, Siege, or Mother Mayhem.)

Like it or not, the Praetorians are a valid threat, and their power-gaining schemes are going to be the focus for, at the very least, the next few trials.


 

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Being offed by a turret in a trial is not epic!
Rather than actually respond to your main complaint, which has already been pretty much covered, I'd just like to point out that if you get offed by a turret in BAF, it's your own fault, and if you get offed by a turret in Lambda, well... I think those turrets ARE pretty epic, actually. :P


 

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Yes but why do we need to saturate the game with one group. I am hoping we get some new groups that we see in a mission once or twice in game that seem more comic book-like. I just don't get a comic book feel from this game. Maybe it's just me but I am not as intrigued or drawn in as I am when I check out various comics. It's the same old and most of the enemies are not too interesting. Not much of a wow factor.


 

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Rather than actually respond to your main complaint, which has already been pretty much covered, I'd just like to point out that if you get offed by a turret in BAF, it's your own fault, and if you get offed by a turret in Lambda, well... I think those turrets ARE pretty epic, actually. :P
I think we shall agree to disagree I don't remember too many comics where turrets downed a man character (other than the Phoenix suicide scenario but that doesn't really count).


 

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So what you're saying is...

...you want a Boomtown revamp...

...where a brand new access to the well of the furies has been found under...

...where Chimera and the Praetorian secret police known as "Hydra" (they wear OMG TRON IS AMAZING NEON LIGHTS ON ARMOUR) trying to sabotage our efforts and claim the power of the well for themselves?

...where Black Swan, Chimera's sidekick, is actually....(warning, big tweest coming) A RESISTANCE MEMBER! You find out when she dies saving you from...

...The Hamidon! Which one? Who cares! The Hamidon is here under Boomtown and we have to stop it from absorbing the power of the well! But in an ironic twist of fate the only person who could stop it you've already beaten up...Chimera!

...But he's escaped! Where's he gone? He's gone to find Reichsmann's holding cell underneath Boomtown! It's the only thing that can hold the power of the well! But oh no...Hamidon got to him first. So now you have to fight mutated Chimera and Hydra soldiers in the original, partially destroyed Freedom Phalanx base. (This part is the trial - it's called "Heads of Hydra".) But it's cool cause you beat them and then Chimera dies. And you manage to seal the access points to the well deep underneath Boomtown.

...but oh no Boomtown has to stay destroyed to stop people from finding the access point to the well and letting Hamidon take over our planet! SHADES OF GREY MAN! Statesman/Recluse tells you this personally so you can't argue because they're the main character. They give you "Alpha Clearance" credentials in a bid to make you feel important...and hopefully forget that you've changed absolutely nothing.

Yeah that sounds right up your street.


 

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Originally Posted by TheJazMan View Post
Yes but why do we need to saturate the game with one group. I am hoping we get some new groups that we see in a mission once or twice in game that seem more comic book-like. I just don't get a comic book feel from this game. Maybe it's just me but I am not as intrigued or drawn in as I am when I check out various comics. It's the same old and most of the enemies are not too interesting. Not much of a wow factor.
it's the Evil Twin mirror universe. You don't get more comic book than that, til you start offing Heroes and reviving them in various ways.


 

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...where Black Swan, Chimera's sidekick, is actually....(warning, big tweest coming) A RESISTANCE MEMBER! You find out when she dies saving you from...
I thought she was going to enter the cut-throat world of professional ballet.


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I thought she was going to enter the cut-throat world of professional ballet.
Black Swan? That's a horrible ballet name!

*runs and hides*


 

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The thing of it is, as much as it may be over-used (I don't think so, but I'm playing along), it's actually a valid threat from an in-game standpoint.

Look, for how many years before the Incarnate system was added were the Rikti the big dogs of the game? If you wanted high end content then, you ran Lady Grey, or you ran the ITF, which was the end-game of the Cimeroa story.

Going Rogue comes out, re-introducing all of the Praetorians (updating their bios, changing some powers around, fleshing out the world, etc.) There's also a larger connection to Incarnate stuff and end-game content because it makes sense.
Except that it doesn't make sense.
Incarnate stuff being end game makes sense, Incarnate stuff being joined at the hip with Praetoria does not.

I can accept that Praetoria is a threat, however the only justification for it being Incarnate content is that the Praetorians have incarnate powers.

Since that's the case it could damn well be the Hellions for all the difference it'd make.

Heck considering how much of Oranbega is beneath Paragon why couldn't the CoT get Incarnated up?

oh that's right there is no reason.

Praetoria itself has no reason to be the incarnate content.


 

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Originally Posted by Xanatos View Post
So what you're saying is...

...you want a Boomtown revamp...

...where a brand new access to the well of the furies has been found under...

...where Chimera and the Praetorian secret police known as "Hydra" (they wear OMG TRON IS AMAZING NEON LIGHTS ON ARMOUR) trying to sabotage our efforts and claim the power of the well for themselves?

...where Black Swan, Chimera's sidekick, is actually....(warning, big tweest coming) A RESISTANCE MEMBER! You find out when she dies saving you from...

...The Hamidon! Which one? Who cares! The Hamidon is here under Boomtown and we have to stop it from absorbing the power of the well! But in an ironic twist of fate the only person who could stop it you've already beaten up...Chimera!

...But he's escaped! Where's he gone? He's gone to find Reichsmann's holding cell underneath Boomtown! It's the only thing that can hold the power of the well! But oh no...Hamidon got to him first. So now you have to fight mutated Chimera and Hydra soldiers in the original, partially destroyed Freedom Phalanx base. (This part is the trial - it's called "Heads of Hydra".) But it's cool cause you beat them and then Chimera dies. And you manage to seal the access points to the well deep underneath Boomtown.

...but oh no Boomtown has to stay destroyed to stop people from finding the access point to the well and letting Hamidon take over our planet! SHADES OF GREY MAN! Statesman/Recluse tells you this personally so you can't argue because they're the main character. They give you "Alpha Clearance" credentials in a bid to make you feel important...and hopefully forget that you've changed absolutely nothing.

Yeah that sounds right up your street.
I don't know what you're smoking or what you're on but send me same. Damn!


 

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Praetoria itself has no reason to be the incarnate content.
This. I'm fairly disappointed that it has been thus far, and I think the only reason why is to justify the excuse to bar people who didn't buy the Going Rogue box from Incarnate content before Freedom launched.


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This. I'm fairly disappointed that it has been thus far, and I think the only reason why is to justify the excuse to bar people who didn't buy the Going Rogue box from Incarnate content before Freedom launched.
So very much this. It'd be nice if all future trials featured a unique enemy not encountered anywhere else in the game. Something more epic and where 12 or 16 or 24 aren't required to beat down 1 or 2 main enemies.


 

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Being offed by a turret in a trial is not epic!
So... they need to fix things because you got offed by a turret?

/Probably woulda left that off.
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So... they need to fix things because you got offed by a turret?

/Probably woulda left that off.
//I want Boomtown to be relevant too, as well as a Moon Base and BRB, and AE fixed.
///And a winning lottery ticket.
////Might as well ask for it. Maybe it'll happen!
Well, if you don't offer any feedback or suggestions maybe they can read your mind and then add your desired items to the game. Yeah, that's it!

I love how I put out what I want then get jumped for it by some. It is really priceless It is a good chuckle and then some. I really don't get it. You don't like my ideas then oh well Maybe post your own so the devs know what we'd like? Hmmmmmmm...


 

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Personally, I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of the Praetorian stuff due to it all being Trials, TFs, and other Incarnate-type content. I'm a soloer mostly, and, while I'm not yet at level 50 (almost there ), I'm not even sure if I want to go for the Incarnate stuff. Those of us in that situation we have two major story arcs and a TF (I think) dealing with Praetoria, and that's it. If we're supposed to be at war with these guys I'd like to see more Praetoria stuff for us non-Incarnate minded: storyarcs, tip/newspaper missions, random events, etc.

All this with the Praetorian Invasion just seems really far away, where the Rikti Invasion was always (at least since I've been here) in your backyard. I've been here since i9-i10, and can't remember a time when there wasn't a Rikti Invasion at some point in the day.

I know they have to work on the Incarnate stuff to flesh out the end-game and all, but it'd be nice if the rest of us got a bone or two as well.


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Praetoria will end when Tyrant is defeated, Praetorian Hamidon is defeated, a new system of government is put into place, and there's enough content to go from 1-50 within Praetoria.


 

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Except that it doesn't make sense.
Incarnate stuff being end game makes sense, Incarnate stuff being joined at the hip with Praetoria does not.

I can accept that Praetoria is a threat, however the only justification for it being Incarnate content is that the Praetorians have incarnate powers.

Since that's the case it could damn well be the Hellions for all the difference it'd make.

Heck considering how much of Oranbega is beneath Paragon why couldn't the CoT get Incarnated up?

oh that's right there is no reason.

Praetoria itself has no reason to be the incarnate content.
And by itself, it's not. Banished Pantheon will be reworked as Incarnate content next issue, and the Coming Storm/Battalion at some point after that (presumably once we take down Tyrant). Assuming Rularuu has nothing to do with the Coming Storm (which is how it looks at this point), you could also probably count on future Incarnate content (maybe even the end of the endgame?) revolving around him.

As for why Praetoria is Incarnate content in the first place? It's not just because the Praetorians are Incarnates, it's because Tyrant is THE Incarnate, the Well's chosen champion. I'd say that's rather deserving of being weaved into the Incarnate storyline, wouldn't you? (You will, of course, disagree, because the only response you can have to Praetoria is a rabid kneejerk reaction at its merest mention.)

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All this with the Praetorian Invasion just seems really far away, where the Rikti Invasion was always (at least since I've been here) in your backyard. I've been here since i9-i10, and can't remember a time when there wasn't a Rikti Invasion at some point in the day.
Of course it seems far away, you've chosen not to fight on the front lines. The devs have had Praetorian zone invasions a few times, although since they're dev-hosted events and not triggered off completing content like Rikti invasions are, they occur less frequently. The Praetorians are also more powerful than the Rikti, so it's less likely that non-Incarnate heroes would be called into action.


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Mot will be answering your prayers in a bit.
The same Mot who's being targeted as a power source by Diabolique to make herself death incarnate?


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The same Mot who's being targeted as a power source by Diabolique to make herself death incarnate?
Yeah, because tapping into the dark unholy power of a God (even a "God") never fails, amirite?


 

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Yeah, because tapping into the dark unholy power of a God (even a "God") never fails, amirite?
I was just pointing out that even in the revamped DA, there's still some Praetorian activity


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Of course it seems far away, you've chosen not to fight on the front lines. The devs have had Praetorian zone invasions a few times, although since they're dev-hosted events and not triggered off completing content like Rikti invasions are, they occur less frequently. The Praetorians are also more powerful than the Rikti, so it's less likely that non-Incarnate heroes would be called into action.
I see what you're saying. And just so we're clear, I'm not asking that we non-gods get the same content as the incarnates are getting just watered down, or anything like that. Just some 30-50 arcs, or other things of that nature. After all, we do fight and take down most of the big-bads in Praetoria in Maria Jenkins and Tina McIntyre's arcs, so us non-gods aren't that powerless.

I guess my main point is that, at least from my view, there isn't enough Praetorian content; as opposed to the OP's view of too much.


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Originally Posted by Night-Hawk07 View Post
I see what you're saying. And just so we're clear, I'm not asking that we non-gods get the same content as the incarnates are getting just watered down, or anything like that. Just some 30-50 arcs, or other things of that nature. After all, we do fight and take down most of the big-bads in Praetoria in Maria Jenkins and Tina McIntyre's arcs, so us non-gods aren't that powerless.
That's when they're not empowered by the Well - timeline-wise, those arcs take place before the invasion.


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