Black Friday SALE warning, Kinetic Combat set
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Posted on: 2011-11-25 15:47 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I have a couple of characters in the 20s that will do just that.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
They're real benefit is being able to slot them as you're leveling, and they level up with you to their maximum aspect enhancement.
And while the aspect enhancement gets hit by exemplar scaling, the bonus remain to a pretty low level. So, that's two things they do that ordinary versions can't. |
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So we all agree that the KD proc from Kinetic is useless?
Now what should I drop for the LOTG set or are there powers worth the full set of 6? Only ever hear recommendations for 1,2 or 4 slotting LOTG.
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My current intent is to slot them until 32 or 47 and then switch them out for the normal version. I do respecs at those levels anyway and can pull out 2 sets of these with a respec. Then I can hand these down to my next character for the joy of leveling. A few sets of KCs turned my dark/regen brute into god mode.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
They're real benefit is being able to slot them as you're leveling, and they level up with you to their maximum aspect enhancement.
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I mean, I have 2 LotG +7.5s waiting in base storage, but at bare minimum, I have 15 levels to go before anyone can use them. Best case scenario, and those LotGs last me for 25 levels AND I can take my time and switch them out as I get the replacements in game.
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When I need to use brawl or boxing to get all 5 of my 3.75 bonuses from Kinetic Combat, I usually use the KD in place of the triple. That IO is great for mule powers.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Even cheaper when you realize you don't need the KD Proc
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No, it isn't useless. The KD chance is nice occasional mitigation.|
Originally Posted by Kron
So we all agree that the KD proc from Kinetic is useless?
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It is less useful then the others in set which provide numbers, however, and if you slot the KD as the final, the benefit you get from that is pretty weak.
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Speaking as someone with OCD, I'd pay the 400 to make sure my points don't end in an odd number.
(Yesterday I had to buy 5 LotGs since they were 113 each. Then I got a 3-pack of XP boosters to get rid of the trailing 5, and then the 30-charge hammer temp because I couldn't find anything else that cost 20 points)
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Well, I've used the proc a few times...4 slotting brawl like EvilGeko has, also on my FM/ELA Scrapper as a way to simulate super strength with the knockdowns.|
Originally Posted by Kron
So we all agree that the KD proc from Kinetic is useless?
Now what should I drop for the LOTG set or are there powers worth the full set of 6? Only ever hear recommendations for 1,2 or 4 slotting LOTG. |
But normally? I skip them.
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Yup, bought 5 LotG +RCH myself, not because I needed them really, I have a bunch lying around, but mostly because I looked at them and went...113 points? That's cheap!
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Originally Posted by Dispari
Speaking as someone with OCD, I'd pay the 400 to make sure my points don't end in an odd number.
(Yesterday I had to buy 5 LotGs since they were 113 each. Then I got a 3-pack of XP boosters to get rid of the trailing 5, and then the 30-charge hammer temp because I couldn't find anything else that cost 20 points) |
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purples/pvp sets out by christmas?
devs running as fast as they can into pay2win territory
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
When I need to use brawl or boxing to get all 5 of my 3.75 bonuses from Kinetic Combat, I usually use the KD in place of the triple. That IO is great for mule powers.
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I've been using low level KC's for muling for a couple of years... never even occurred to me to slot the KD IO.
Guess I should respec or unslot a few characters. ^_^
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I can't deny that having the LoTG set on the market is clearly Pay to Win. There just no need to argue the point anymore. But personally, I don't care. I don't NEED to buy existing IOs on the Paragon Market. The AT IOs to me are much more objectionable.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
purples/pvp sets out by christmas?
devs running as fast as they can into pay2win territory |
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At least it's still all stuff you can also get in game easily enough if you're inclined to do so. Although the attuned aspect is making some of them very tempting over the normal versions.|
Originally Posted by Dz131
purples/pvp sets out by christmas?
devs running as fast as they can into pay2win territory |
i'm seriously considering the LotG procs and a few KC pieces to complete a few sets on several alts.
If they come out with sets that can only be acquired through the Paragon Market i will have issues with IOs sold through the market.
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Wee-ee-eell, more like "Pay to be as awesome as I could be in-game, just faster." For IOs that are both attainable in-game and on the market, it's purely a time versus money equation.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I can't deny that having the LoTG set on the market is clearly Pay to Win. There just no need to argue the point anymore.
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It's when you can surpass in-game performance only by spending money that it becomes Pay to Win. Funnily enough, the only things that really let you do that are the team insps and dual insps that nobody wants. Technically the ATIOs, I suppose, but they don't appear to be any more impressive than purple sets.
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The entire gambling real life money for a chance at special AT IO's you cannot earn in the game is complete and utter garbage. |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
The AT IOs to me are much more objectionable.
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The devs need to STOP go back and re-think how to introduce them in a way that can be earned in game and not just some random chance via gambling real life money. That is HORRIBLE for audience this game services.
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You can argue that about anything. Levels, incarnates even inf. Are you srsly saying you'll be fine if devs offered 1-50 for 400 points or 2bil inf for 400 points?
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Originally Posted by Bosstone
Wee-ee-eell, more like "Pay to be as awesome as I could be in-game, just faster." For IOs that are both attainable in-game and on the market, it's purely a time versus money equation.
It's when you can surpass in-game performance only by spending money that it becomes Pay to Win. Funnily enough, the only things that really let you do that are the team insps and dual insps that nobody wants. Technically the ATIOs, I suppose, but they don't appear to be any more impressive than purple sets. |
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No, because that would reduce the number of people who were levelling, which in turn would reduce the number of lower level teams which would ultimately harm the game. |
Originally Posted by Dz131
Are you srsly saying you'll be fine if devs offered 1-50 for 400 points
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| or 2bil inf for 400 points? |
What I would be fine with is if the devs added sets of enhancements, which I could sell on the market, that had the approximate current value of 2 billion inf.
So I could buy my 2 billion, but no extra currency would be added to the game. The only thing that would be added was a few extra "loots".
The term "pay to win" gets used so much it is essentually meaningless. So what if I can pay to win? The question isn't "Does that guy get to win more than me?" but "Does selling it for real money harm the game in a significant way?"
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Of course not. That's way too cheap.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
You can argue that about anything. Levels, incarnates even inf. Are you srsly saying you'll be fine if devs offered 1-50 for 400 points or 2bil inf for 400 points?
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De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.
I wouldn't pay for the LotG+Recharge because I'm swimming in them. They're only 2 A-Merits. That's 5.5 Speed-Tip Missions a day over four days. Or two 8-minute SSAs over the course of 2 weeks. Or 100 Merits + 40 Million Inf over two days (and if I run the Incarnate TFs of Apex and Tin Mage, I can get 160 Merits for 100 minutes' work).
I create a surplus of LoTG+Recharge and Numina+Rech/Rec and Miracle+Rec and Celerity+Stealth all at their lowest level and sell them for over 100 mil Inf each. Well, the Numina and LotG market has just crashed, so, I'll be sticking to Miracle and Celerity now.
As far as I'm concerned this still hasn't reach pay2win... yet. Not when these items are rather easily and deterministically produced in-game. And also not when their benefits don't make them stronger than what can be found in-game. In fact, what's closer to pay2win is the Enhancement Boosters where I can take a regular set of Numinas and get a good deal more Enhancement from them. These Attuned *may* be considered an advantage for exemplaring... but a second build built for exemplaring would still be stronger.
And I'm not ready to dive into Attuned sets until their level range is expanded from 20 to 50 for all of them. I really would like to pay for the convenience of slot-and-forget, and so far, only 2 of them come close to that.
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Right and people not running tips or SSA or TFs for merits because they can buy a full set end game bling all at once is not problem. Kind of like how no one is doing respecs because everyone has them|
Originally Posted by Mazey
No, because that would reduce the number of people who were levelling, which in turn would reduce the number of lower level teams which would ultimately harm the game.
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No, because that would add extra currency to a game which desperately needs currency to be removed, not more added. What I would be fine with is if the devs added sets of enhancements, which I could sell on the market, that had the approximate current value of 2 billion inf. So I could buy my 2 billion, but no extra currency would be added to the game. The only thing that would be added was a few extra "loots". |
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| The term "pay to win" gets used so much it is essentually meaningless. So what if I can pay to win? The question isn't "Does that guy get to win more than me?" but "Does selling it for real money harm the game in a significant way?" |
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As a mature human being who is not filled with petty envy and irrational jealousies, it matters not one bit to me if someone gets an imaginary item in a funtime internet video game faster or easier than I got the same item.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
If you can 'pay to win' you undermine hundreds of past player's efforts who actually invested time and energy in getting what you're getting right now, just because you slipped some $$ in the dev's direction.
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Originally Posted by Emberly
As a mature human being who is not filled with petty envy and irrational jealousies, it matters not one bit to me if someone gets an imaginary item in a funtime internet video game faster or easier than I got the same item.
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| It's harmful the same way everyone can be Jedi was harmful to Starwars Galaxy, checkout how that game's doing. |
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I do not, not do I claim to do so. For instance, I certainly don't account for those who get their panties in a bunch because someone else got something faster than they did. |
Originally Posted by Dz131
You obviously account for the entire player base.
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Seriously, why should I care if I farmed/marketeered up my IOs, and someone else bought them with cash? What harm does it do me if someone else accomplishes in five minutes and five dollars what might take me five days and five hundred million inf? It does me no harm at all, assuming I don't have a weak and frail ego and a need to feel like I am somehow accomplishing something in a video game.
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A billion times this. Maybe by next summer, it might actually be possible.
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Originally Posted by Necrotron_RO
Still, I suppose some would rather just click 'buy', slot them, and run whatever content they want.
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