It depends, there are some awesome powers that Dominators can easily justifiably have acess to that everyone was hoping blasters would get but it just wasn't justifiable.
Of course then powers like Oppressive Gloom are not justifiable, so its swings and roundabouts.
Certainly it doesnt lessen the impact of the i21 no-proliferation thing for me.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
Apparently is coming around I22. Great. I'm all for new dom sets.
However, is it the "something special" you were told was the reason doms were not getting new sets or any proliferation with I21? From the surface, darkness control sounds like it'll be some cobbled together set using powers already in-game. I'll also assume we'll be getting Dark Assault and that'll be a cobbled together version of dark blast, dark melee and dark manipulation. If that's the case, then color me unimpressed. |
Just a thought 
The fact that it didn't come with the other power prolifs means that it is something new - but free since it won't be using new tech, like Beam Rifle or Titan Weapons.
And new powersets that aren't cobbled together from other sets naturally take time to develop and test. Just a thought
It was specifically mentioned that Darkness Control wouldn't have any Tentacles, and would be more "Oily" in theme.
That implies that they decided to go a very different direction with the upcoming set from what Dark currently is in-game. While it may or may not have a few powers copied from existing sets, it would seem that a large portion of the set is brand new.
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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Well, Dark Manipulation is already cobbled from Dark Melee and features at this point... I think five powers we can't have.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
Apparently is coming around I22. Great. I'm all for new dom sets.
However, is it the "something special" you were told was the reason doms were not getting new sets or any proliferation with I21? From the surface, darkness control sounds like it'll be some cobbled together set using powers already in-game. I'll also assume we'll be getting Dark Assault and that'll be a cobbled together version of dark blast, dark melee and dark manipulation. If that's the case, then color me unimpressed. |
I have to say I was expecting something more "wow". Dark Control sounds like it can be put together in an hour if they want to. lol
I am not going to trash the set until I see what's in it but it better be "unique" and not just a clone of current dark controls. The fact that it's a "free" set worries me. They probably won't spend as much on it as they do on a "cash" set.
I was hoping they could announce that "exciting" plan like Whip Assault or something.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Dark Control sounds like it can be put together in an hour if they want to. lol
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Dark Miasma for controllers has become something more inevitable with the release of Time Manipulation.
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Not that I'd object to getting Dark Miasma for my controllers, but I don't see the connection between getting TM and DM.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
Dark Miasma for controllers has become something more inevitable with the release of Time Manipulation.
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I think they're coming up with new assets just because they don't want to give Dominators Dark Servant. >.>
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It can't be, and it won't. They're going to have to make new art assets for it.
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it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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The original reasoning - and I now speak of dark magic, of ancient lore of times long past, back before I7 - that why Controllers couldn't have Dark Miasma is because Dark had too much control and would be too powerful as a control secondary as-is. Petrifying Gaze was specifically cited. |
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Not that I'd object to getting Dark Miasma for my controllers, but I don't see the connection between getting TM and DM.
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Time cuts a lot of the same grass as Dark. If Dark's too potent for controllers, chances are so is Time.
Hrm, we just have to wait and see...I hope we get more than just Dark Assault though because technically giving us Dark Control doesn't count as a freebie.
I'm kind of jazzed about it. Plus it puts those awful "Autumnal Assault" rumors to rest. I can see a very fun set with lots of slows, - to hit, and HP drains. Having Life Drain on a Dom alone would be awesome. Finally my dark/dark/soul Dom can be made... :-D
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
Are Doms getting Dark Control? Thats freaking awesome! I love Dark Miasma and cannot wait to see this. Can I have some info? Where did you see this? Any link? Thanks!
I can't see us getting Dark Servant- my thought would be we get dark "Imps" ala Black Swan whhich I would be fine with.. Imps that deal Neg damage? Yes please!
They have mentioned that it will be "Tentacle Free" and more a 'corrupty-oily' look. So I'm guessing a LOT of debuffs.
Now i HOPE we get a Dark Assault to go with it!
"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
I can't see us getting Dark Servant- my thought would be we get dark "Imps" ala Black Swan whhich I would be fine with.. Imps that deal Neg damage? Yes please!
They have mentioned that it will be "Tentacle Free" and more a 'corrupty-oily' look. So I'm guessing a LOT of debuffs. Now i HOPE we get a Dark Assault to go with it! |
I'm going to toss a wild speculation out along these lines: Dark Control = Inky. Dark Astoria revamp = Tsoo revamp. Discuss.
My criteria for being officially pleased with this announcement after having to wait this long are:
1. animations and fx are new
2. dark assault is also released
3. both are released before another AT gets another set (Staff melee for stalkers only I could accept, but we all know that's not going to happen or if MMs get a 4-legged pet summoning set).
Please buff Ice Control.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
If it's more oily, then it sounds more like shadows or ink, which would mean newer animations. I'm expecting that given this is supposed to be "special".
I'm going to toss a wild speculation out along these lines: Dark Control = Inky. Dark Astoria revamp = Tsoo revamp. Discuss. My criteria for being officially pleased with this announcement after having to wait this long are: 1. animations and fx are new 2. dark assault is also released 3. both are released before another AT gets another set (Staff melee for stalkers only I could accept, but we all know that's not going to happen or if MMs get a 4-legged pet summoning set). |
If they aren't using the 'Tentacle' motif for DC, then yeah, it's gonna be a whole new set of animations/FX (I expect some of the actual casting moves are the same but I can live with that- just makes sense to reuse them)
Dark Assault SHOULD be released- even if it is a Hodge-podge. We have enough Dark attack powers to put together the mix of melee/ranged that they want for Doms.
PS- Melee set concepts are much easier to come up with, which is why we see more of them. Control sets are a bit less... common, so they are rarer. We've already got all the elemental sets, plant and earth.. about the only one I really want now is a Tech-based "Device" Control set. Give me that with a Assault set that combines Dual Pistols and some Street Justice moves and I'm golden.
"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
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Originally Posted by RiverOcean
I'm kind of jazzed about it. Plus it puts those awful "Autumnal Assault" rumors to rest. I can see a very fun set with lots of slows, - to hit, and HP drains. Having Life Drain on a Dom alone would be awesome. Finally my dark/dark/soul Dom can be made... :-D
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when you say rumour please use appropriate terms, when I yes me , posted about it it was a discussion regarding a POSSIBLITY, unlike people like yourself who trash me because i had an idea, which by the way was backed up with real information, so in future if you want to trash me atleast include my name.
This is cross posted from one of the Pummit threads but heres info on Dark Control (AND ASSAULT!)
Going by memory here so power order is wrong off but powers were:
Single Target Immobilize
Single Target Hold
Cone style AoE Immobilize
Fearsome Stare (from Dark Miasma)
An PBAoE Stun
Haunt, a power that summons two temporary pets that will attack the foe you target and damage + terrorize him.
A targeted AoE hold power (it sounded like it was a patch power similar to Distortion Field)
The last power was not announced and I'm forgetting one other power.
Additionally Controllers will get Dark Affinity and Dominators will get Dark Assault.
Dark Affinity is basically Dark Miasma with Fearsome Stare and Petrifying Gaze removed. One of the replacement powers was a team wide high magnitude, short duration Defense buff (the comparison used was to Moment of Glory) but I forget the other.
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I fully agree (though I doubt that damn Autumn Assault silliness will die as it should) and from what was said at the Powers Panel Dark Doms will be damn powerful- FINALLY a Dom with Fear Powers!!
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Originally Posted by RiverOcean
I'm kind of jazzed about it. Plus it puts those awful "Autumnal Assault" rumors to rest. I can see a very fun set with lots of slows, - to hit, and HP drains. Having Life Drain on a Dom alone would be awesome. Finally my dark/dark/soul Dom can be made... :-D
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"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
FINALLY a Dom with Fear Powers!!
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Mind's terrify is 1 power- Hopefully a Dark Dark Dom will have 3, Dark's cone Fear, the Fear/Terrorize effect from Haunt and Hopefully Dark Assault has ToF....
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Originally Posted by Pitho
Mind control thinks you're forgetting something.
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"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
Haunt pets are not Unaffected. I think they are just temp pets that only focus on one target and once the target is dead, the pets are gone and the pets can be killed.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Well I don't know about you but...they are still missing water and wind control.
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
We've already got all the elemental sets, plant and earth.. about the only one I really want now is a Tech-based "Device" Control set. Give me that with a Assault set that combines Dual Pistols and some Street Justice moves and I'm golden.
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Well I don't know about you but...they are still missing water and wind control.
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I did like a suggestion someone made in-game today; a /Staff Assault set for Doms based on the upcoming Staff Fighting melee set. He wanted to make a Mind Control/Staff Assault monk character...
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Light/energy control and metal control (although a Metal skin for Earth Control/Assault might work) also come to mind.
I did like a suggestion someone made in-game today; a /Staff Assault set for Doms based on the upcoming Staff Fighting melee set. He wanted to make a Mind Control/Staff Assault monk character... |
Apparently is coming around I22. Great. I'm all for new dom sets.
However, is it the "something special" you were told was the reason doms were not getting new sets or any proliferation with I21?
From the surface, darkness control sounds like it'll be some cobbled together set using powers already in-game. I'll also assume we'll be getting Dark Assault and that'll be a cobbled together version of dark blast, dark melee and dark manipulation. If that's the case, then color me unimpressed.
Please buff Ice Control.