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That does sound quite nice, I admit I've been wanting to make a monk toon for a while so that would be the perfect opportunity to go through with it.|
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Light/energy control and metal control (although a Metal skin for Earth Control/Assault might work) also come to mind.
I did like a suggestion someone made in-game today; a /Staff Assault set for Doms based on the upcoming Staff Fighting melee set. He wanted to make a Mind Control/Staff Assault monk character... |
Light Control would be ******* awesome.
/Thorns isn't bad...it's quite fun actually but I made a Ar/TA Corr...so yeah maybe I have no room to talk lol.
I'm kinda hoping that Dark Control has a decent amount of Fear powers in it, and I'm REALLY hoping that it's not just a mashup of existing powers with only one or two new powers in it.
I'd also love a set that looks sort of like Jubilee's powers, creating "fireworks" or energy shards, and that focuses on stuns and confuses.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
I'm kinda hoping that Dark Control has a decent amount of Fear powers in it, and I'm REALLY hoping that it's not just a mashup of existing powers with only one or two new powers in it.
I'd also love a set that looks sort of like Jubilee's powers, creating "fireworks" or energy shards, and that focuses on stuns and confuses. |
Dark Control- Sorry, no tentacles people
Move list:
Shadowy Binds- DoT/Imob
Dark Grasp- Mod Dmg/Hold
Living Shadows- Wide Cone/Dot/Imob
Posses- Confuse (with glowing eye goodness)
Fearsome Stare- Cone/Terror
Heart of Darkness- PBAoE/DoT/Disorient
Haunt- Summons Shades Dmg/Fear/Taunt (to the shades). Essentially, the shades will go out and attack the mob in question, casting taunt and fear on them while attacking them. If the mob dies, they will move on to another (like gangwar, we can't control where they go) to attack. They ARE killable, and somewhat squishy.
Shadow Field- Ranged AoE/Hold
Tier 9- TBA
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Originally Posted by Synapse
Darkness Control
I'll give out the information that was given in the power point here. We talked about 8 of the 9 powers. Tier 1: Shadowy Binds (Ranged, Moderate DoT(Negative), Foe Immobilize, -To Hit, -Fly) Tier 2: Dark Grasp (Ranged, Moderate DMG(Negative), Foe Hold, -To Hit) Tier 3: Living Shadows Ranged (Cone), Minor DoT(Negative), Foe Immobilize, -To Hit, -Fly Tier 4: Possess (Ranged, Target Confuse) Tier 5: Fearsome Stare (Ranged (Cone), Foe Fear, -To Hit) Tier 6: Heart of Darkness (PBAoE, Foe Disorient, -To Hit, Minor DoT(Negative)) Tier 7: Haunt (Foe Targeted, Summon Shades) Tier 8: Shadow Field (Target (Location AoE), Foe Hold, -To Hit) Tier 9: ??? (ZOMG! What could it be?) At the powers panel, we didn't reveal the Tier 9 power. That will be revealed at a later date, so stay tuned. One thing to note, as Tunnel Rat mentioned, the tentacles have been replaced with more of an inky shadowy feel. Some bits of info we gave out: Possess: This power darkens the target and gives them spooky glowing eyes and makes them confused. Haunt: This power effectively places a taunt aura on your target and spawns two Shades. These dark entities alternate between a punch attack and a terrorize attack. The Shades will continue to beat on their target until either they are killed or their target is defeated. Once their target is defeated, they will move about attacking other targets at random. Their damage is pretty decent, and this power offers a fair amount of control. They are uncontrollable like all other Controller/Dominator pets. I think that's about it for Darkness Control. We also announced to proliferated sets. What would Darkness Control be without Dark Miasma for Controllers (called Darkness Affinity) and Dark Assault for Dominators. Darkness Affinity This power is a proliferated version of Dark Miasma for Controllers. You're likely thinking "why the name change?" Well, we pulled out Fearsome Stare and Petrifying Gaze because: a) Fearsome Stare really belongs in Darkness Control and b) Petrifying Gaze is pretty redundant when paired with Darkness Control as its effectively a copy of Dark Grasp, but without the damage. I felt this necessitated a name change. In their places we added Fade and Soul Absorption: Fade is a short duration, long recharge, high defense boost to your entire team. It's intended to prevent team mates from being defeated when they're low on health. This will hopefully give you enough time to fire off a Twilight Grasp to heal them. Internally, I've heard it compared to "a weaker Moment of Glory for your team". I think that's fairly accurate. Soul Absorption is a handy power that grants nearby team mates regeneration and recovery for each nearby defeated foe. This can spell a massive boost to regeneration and recovery with enough valid targets. Think Stygian Circle for your whole team, but instead of +hp/+end you get +regen/+recovery. Dark Assault This power is a mix of Dark Melee and Dark Blast. You've got a fun mix of powers in there. I think Dominators will enjoy the set. It offers a nice mix of damage, control and survivability. It also features a new power called Gather Shadows. This is effectively a combo of Build Up and Power Boost. You lose your +to hit and have reduced effectiveness of the +damage and +effects, but you get both. It's a trade-off to be sure. I look forward to player feedback on this. |
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It sounds like a mesh of Plant control(or hell on earth) and Electric Control...mixed with a little Miasma flavor...I bet the pet will be more focused on Terrorizing enemies/Mezzing them like Servant...kind of like a pet that works in the background like Fly Trap.
More fear please! Seriously. I'd like for this set to be truly unique. Focusing on the fear factor would be fabulous for my fellow control freaks.
Please buff Ice Control.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
More fear please! Seriously. I'd like for this set to be truly unique. Focusing on the fear factor would be fabulous for my fellow control freaks.
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Actually those two fear powers make this set have the most fear factor in the game all other sets with a fear only have one fear power
Dark Miasma - Fearsome Stare
Mind Control - Terrify
Illusion Control - Spectral Terror
Dark Melee - Touch of Fear
Dark Armor - Cloak of Fear
So Surprisingly with two AoE fear powers this set has the most fear control in the game.
But that is really enough, fear is a soft control, I perfer to have plenty of hard controls, good thing this set has a good amount, loving the Confuse, not that big of a fan PBAoE stun, but I think if I use Fearsome Stare first then jump in and then PBAoE stun, jump back AoE immob and summon pets and toss a confuse or two.
"Yes, winning all the time can be boring."
-Knight_Chill
"It's amazing how well you can put up with endurance issues if you hide them under a large enough pile of bodies."
-Spiritchaser speaking on Dom Revamp
As ecstatic as I am about Dark Control/Assault, I'm saddened by:
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Originally Posted by Synapse
Replace is not the word I would use. I would say Darkness Control is coming out I22 and Illusion Control is not.
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Originally Posted by Rikis
As ecstatic as I am about Dark Control/Assault, I'm saddened by:
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Replace would have meant that this is the Illusion, that would have saddened me.
"Yes, winning all the time can be boring."
-Knight_Chill
"It's amazing how well you can put up with endurance issues if you hide them under a large enough pile of bodies."
-Spiritchaser speaking on Dom Revamp
that statement about illusion really doesn't say anything.
can't decide how interested I am in dark control for dominators. I don't like that the immob is a cone or that they get another hold-field pseudopet (especially without a slow or something to lay down underneath it.) Single-target confuse... eh. Feels more like filler than anything.
On the other hand heart of darkness and haunt are interesting. I wonder what kind of recharge time haunt will have.
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Virtue blues: Overnight (DP/MM), Kid Ridiculous (FC/rad), Panorama (Ill/time)
Virtue reds: Block Party (SS/SD), Goldcrush (earth/fire), Deadwire (claws/elec), Snowcrush (ice/kin)
Now we only need a purple set to slot on that Fears! With a sweet proc, please
STill not happy... why.. because Dominators are being treated once again like the ugly baby sister that gets the Controller hand me down..
They need to make a GOOD set that is UNIQUE to dominators.. Not something that Dominators get because Controllers are getting it too.. That used to be plant... Then controllers got it
And in all honesty I DONT want Illusion control on Doms..I want them to make something for DOMS.. period...
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This was pretty much my reaction as well. I was hoping for something that just felt more "Dominatorish." I don't exactly know how that would work, which may have made it an impossibility, but it does sort of feel like this is a set that is a Controller set that Doms are also getting.
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
STill not happy... why.. because Dominators are being treated once again like the ugly baby sister that gets the Controller hand me down..
They need to make a GOOD set that is UNIQUE to dominators.. Not something that Dominators get because Controllers are getting it too.. That used to be plant... Then controllers got it And in all honesty I DONT want Illusion control on Doms..I want them to make something for DOMS.. period... |
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
I agree somewhat but I think I would shut my yap if we got another Assault Set.
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Well there's only Plant Control to go by really. What does Plant Control have that's unique? Carrion Creepers and possibly Spirit Tree. So a Dominator-centric set would have some source of reliable extra damage outside the T9 pet and some form of extra survivability. To me the only other set that comes close to this is Illusion Control with Phantom Army and Superior Invisibility.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
This was pretty much my reaction as well. I was hoping for something that just felt more "Dominatorish." I don't exactly know how that would work, which may have made it an impossibility, but it does sort of feel like this is a set that is a Controller set that Doms are also getting.
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If we look at Dark Control then Haunt fills the role of extra damage and the -To Hit debuffs provides survivability. If the T9 power is a persistent pet then I can see it being very Dominator friendly, not just because of Haunt and the debuffs but also because of the PBAoE Heart of Darkness, the location AoE Hold in Shadow Field and the easier application of Cones like Fearsome Stare and Living Shadows.
To me this is following the trend of added Control sets having the edge on Dominators rather than on Controllers. Dark Control will be the third set to follow this trend... The other two being the only other Control sets added to the game - Plant Control (i6) and Electric Control (i18).
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
STill not happy... why.. because Dominators are being treated once again like the ugly baby sister that gets the Controller hand me down..
They need to make a GOOD set that is UNIQUE to dominators.. Not something that Dominators get because Controllers are getting it too.. That used to be plant... Then controllers got it And in all honesty I DONT want Illusion control on Doms..I want them to make something for DOMS.. period... |
It just seems to take a long time to get a new Assault set. Dark Assault has one new power which works like a mix of Build Up and Power Boost. I would imagine the "animation" will be the same so Dark Assault could be put together in hours since there's no new animation involved (which begs the question why didn't they release Dark Assault earlier? :P)
I still think it's going to be Whip Assault and it's going to be a cash item.
As for new Control sets, it will always be for both Controller and Dominator. I just can't see them spending 2x amount of time for two new unique sets.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Actually, that makes me think there is not going to be a straight port for Illusion because it would have been done in issue 22 when they finally have time for Dominator. They choose to release a new Dark Control set as a "free" set instead. I refuse to think making Dark Control takes less time than porting Illusion Control. So "time" isn't the issue. The issue is Synapse does not like invincible pets and he rather not release it to dominator because the set will be a balance nightmare. Personally, I think they should just release it to dom and let the players figure whether they like the set or not. I mean I can't imagine it being worse than Ice Control. lol Ice Control lacks reliable aoe hard controls with breakable sleep, pbaoe hold (rather than target aoe) and a pbaoe debuff with huge endurance cost. |
Originally Posted by Da_Captain
Why are you saddened by that? I am relieved, that means there is still hope for a Dom illusion some time down the road.
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If it's not coming in 2012, then it won't come at all.
I actually love that statement because I can stop guessing when Illusion will come. It won't come.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Pitho
Mind control thinks you're forgetting something.
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I think Mind Control will survive to confuse another day...
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I am excited about dark control.
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
STill not happy... why.. because Dominators are being treated once again like the ugly baby sister that gets the Controller hand me down..
They need to make a GOOD set that is UNIQUE to dominators.. Not something that Dominators get because Controllers are getting it too.. That used to be plant... Then controllers got it And in all honesty I DONT want Illusion control on Doms..I want them to make something for DOMS.. period... |
I'm all for cool new sets but as others have said before, Doms and Controllers share the same sets (for the most part)...creating a brand new unique powerset that's only for Doms wouldn't be as effecient as creating a set that can be used by 4 ATs like the melee classes.
Only AT that gets its own special primary powerset is the MM AT. If you want truly unique powersets; go there (yes I know Dark Miasma is still technically by itself as a Def. Primary but...).
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I actually love that statement because I can stop guessing when Illusion will come. It won't come. |
I'd never say never (except for just now
).There's a quite a bit of "that's not going to happen any time soon" and it's happened. It may take a while but it may happen
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I'll agree with you to the extent I'm not convinced dark control is the something 'special' for doms. New animations should be cool, but the concept isn't anything OMG at this point. That's not to say I'm expecting something else will be announced, because I'm not. I think in the Devs mind, this is the special treat. I disagree.|
Originally Posted by Airhammer
STill not happy... why.. because Dominators are being treated once again like the ugly baby sister that gets the Controller hand me down..
They need to make a GOOD set that is UNIQUE to dominators.. Not something that Dominators get because Controllers are getting it too.. That used to be plant... Then controllers got it And in all honesty I DONT want Illusion control on Doms..I want them to make something for DOMS.. period... |
I'm also still miffed that it took this long to get dark assault proliferated. All it is is a cobbled set, so what was the hold up?
Plus, there's no Illusion port AGAIN. If there's a plan to revamp illusion or whatever, then say so and people will quit asking about it.
If whips and chains is released, then I'd be ecstatic. But dark... most folks are looking at that like 'yeah, should've been in the game already' and not as something 'special' that you had to wait for it.
Please buff Ice Control.
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I dont want an Illuion port.. I dont care if Doms evert get Illusion.. I would rather that Controllers KEEP Illusion to themselves ( and I have an Illusion controller ). I would rather that Dominators that get something is THEIRS... Something that defines the AT I guess is what I am looking for.. |
Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
I'll agree with you to the extent I'm not convinced dark control is the something 'special' for doms. New animations should be cool, but the concept isn't anything OMG at this point. That's not to say I'm expecting something else will be announced, because I'm not. I think in the Devs mind, this is the special treat. I disagree.
I'm also still miffed that it took this long to get dark assault proliferated. All it is is a cobbled set, so what was the hold up? Plus, there's no Illusion port AGAIN. If there's a plan to revamp illusion or whatever, then say so and people will quit asking about it. If whips and chains is released, then I'd be ecstatic. But dark... most folks are looking at that like 'yeah, should've been in the game already' and not as something 'special' that you had to wait for it. |
In the mean time I am going to make a Mind/Nrg Dom. I have never played a Mind toon at all so that should be fun..
Bottom Line what I am seeing is them making sets for where the money is.. Doms are probably very low on that list although their fans are loyal.. even to the point of rabid.
I just started playing Doms last year.. and thats after being in the game for almost 8 years now. I love Doms... its the playstyle I think that suits me best.. If I could only pick ONE AT to play.. I would pick a Dom every time..
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I'd never play them, cause I can't STAND redraw, but whatever floats yer boat, as they say.