My wings...are clipped


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So, today I logged on, and something disturbing occured.

Now, I don't want to complain about the costume creator because well, I love it, but something has bugged, and my original costume, is no longer as it was.

I am using the female version of the wedding tuxedo, and have been using it since level 1-44, and I always had a pair of little bat wings. now when I logged in this morning, my wings have been clipped off completely and without the option to put them back on.

I checked with help channel and they stated that I could never have had the wings because waist capes have never been compatible with with the Wedding tuxedo. But that cannot be true. I had my little wings!



I have included my toons Photo just in case anyone could dispute this. But from level 1-44 they were always present.

Why was I clipped?

Why was it allowed originally?

Have I posted this in the wrong section?


 

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That's too bad.

I think it's correct that you were not "supposed" to be able to stack the tuxedos with back options. But it's obviously been possible... I'm actually surprised that your costume would have been automatically 'corrected'. Usually when they make changes to the costume editor, it only takes effect on your character if you visit a tailor with that costume.

So it's curious that the wings just went poof from one day to the next. Are you sure you didn't recently edit your costume and didn't notice if your wings were still there?


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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh View Post
That's too bad.

I think it's correct that you were not "supposed" to be able to stack the tuxedos with back options. But it's obviously been possible... I'm actually surprised that your costume would have been automatically 'corrected'. Usually when they make changes to the costume editor, it only takes effect on your character if you visit a tailor with that costume.

So it's curious that the wings just went poof from one day to the next. Are you sure you didn't recently edit your costume and didn't notice if your wings were still there?
I did not edit this costume. What I think happened was that when I unlocked my 4th slot, it automagicly defaulted to my original costume, and then the wings were stripped from both. It's frustrating because I really liked the look.



But I have been using this costume for a month now, and it was fine before the last update. Even after I edited the new 4rth slot costume. I did edit the 4th costume from my original to something else, but never touched the first costume.

Then when I logged in today, they were gone, and the costume was never edited.


 

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Then when I logged in today, they were gone, and the costume was never edited.
That's really too bad. The wings was a nice touch for your outfit!

It's possible they've done something to 'auto correct' costumes... I, for one, have a couple of outfits that are no longer legal, so I hope they haven't!


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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh View Post
That's too bad.

I think it's correct that you were not "supposed" to be able to stack the tuxedos with back options. But it's obviously been possible... I'm actually surprised that your costume would have been automatically 'corrected'. Usually when they make changes to the costume editor, it only takes effect on your character if you visit a tailor with that costume.

So it's curious that the wings just went poof from one day to the next. Are you sure you didn't recently edit your costume and didn't notice if your wings were still there?

Unless something with costumes in the background is getting cleaned up for coming changes.

We've seen backbacks begin to be introduced...

Noble Savage has hinted that asymmetrical costumes are coming...


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I used to have a character with bolero and cherub wings. They're gone now and it's no longer an option. Shame since that character is a valkyrie and I have to either never use the bolero, or take her wings off of that outfit.

Just the way it goes I guess. Unlikely a GM will restore it since it was "grandfathered" with the risk of it being broken at any time without notice.


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You guys are making me paranoid...
A couple of my favorite costumes on certain members of my crew involve the wedding tails coat. Ash, Rose and Kav... the ones who use it... all have wings. (It would make me sad-panda to lose Ash's "Formal Raiding" costume in particular, since it's become very much his signature look. )

I also have one of the few witch-bolero-with-wings combination costumes I've seen on another one of the bird-things. Ty's had that outfit from the day the Magic pack was released, and while I accept that I can't ever edit it, the idea of it being taken away anyway is annoying.

That said, I just went in-game and checked all four of the toons in question to see what was going on with them, and so far their costumes don't seem to have been force-reset, (For example, here's a cap of Rose taken about ten minutes ago-) I may be barred from making any new winged costumes with the tails coat (I haven't checked that yet-), but as-of right now they all still have their existing ones.

Given that, it may be worth it to contact support about your gal's costume, Nyx. The change doesn't seem to have been universal.

ETA: Okay, I just took Surruna (another of my winged bird-things) to the tailor to check it out, and the Wedding tux is indeed removed as a selection if you have a Back Detail (and the "back details" heading vanishes if you equip the tux first-), so it looks like they have, indeed, killed the option for new costumes. That's a pity. The combination looked good.


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I made a mistake. In my original costume, I had the bats aura. I dont wanna make anyone paranoid, but when they came out with the Bats -Combat only version, thats when I edited the costume.

Even then it worked fine. I had my little bat wings! Then upon logging in today if I choose the bat wings the tuxedo will not show up. The same if I choose the tuxedo...I have no back detail options.

Im not happy about this...but it's not game breaking, it just ruins my theme, which I liked, a little.

So this is very current, and only happened with the new update.

Oddly enough when I choose to edit slot 3...which uses the "Justice pants/tights" they revert back to the black plain tights until I select the Justice tights again.

Im not sure if this is a bug or something I am doing wrong


 

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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh View Post
That's too bad.

I think it's correct that you were not "supposed" to be able to stack the tuxedos with back options. But it's obviously been possible... I'm actually surprised that your costume would have been automatically 'corrected'. Usually when they make changes to the costume editor, it only takes effect on your character if you visit a tailor with that costume.

So it's curious that the wings just went poof from one day to the next. Are you sure you didn't recently edit your costume and didn't notice if your wings were still there?
I have some toons with two tails.


 

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You've been able to use wings with the tux jacket since it came. I think they changed in one of the recent patches without telling us.
The magic bolero worked with wings as well for awhile, but they nerfed that (bastards).


 

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I don't know what's going on. I was going to put those little bat wings on one of my characters, who is wearing the following costume pieces:

[this is a female toon]

Mesh top
Bio-organic tights
Barbarian boots, thigh-high
One of the Barbarian corsets
Cape of the Eighth Circle - planned on replacing with the little wings
Circle of Thorns hood
facial mask
Forget which gloves...but she has on gloves
Bat aura

When I tried to click on this costume, a window popped up telling me "Some of the pieces of this costume are no longer valid. Do you wish to proceed?"

Keeping in mind the Victorian Face debacle - when I got NO SUCH WARNING - I backed out in one pretty big hurry.

Caveat tailor.


 

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Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
...Oddly enough when I choose to edit slot 3...which uses the "Justice pants/tights" they revert back to the black plain tights until I select the Justice tights again...
One of my 'IDF' costume slots was doing similiar. When I'd select it - the bottoms would revert to tight sleek, and wouldn't seem to give me the option to reselect IDF bottoms. I've left that costume slot alone since I got it.


 

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The thing making me wonder if this is a bug, is that the wing option is still available with every other jacket...



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Originally Posted by Kallandra View Post
The thing making me wonder if this is a bug, is that the wing option is still available with every other jacket...
That's because none of the other jackets besides the tux, trench coat, or the bolero use cape physics.

One of the rules re: player characters is that you can use a cape or wings, but not both at the same time due to character "budget" (the amount of effort required to render a character on the client).

One of the other rules is only being able to use one cape system per character (no loin cloths for player characters like the Cimerorians often use, since they have a front and back cape system).

Female avatars used to have the ability to use capes and wings simultaneously, but this wasn't working as intended and was later fixed, although it should not affect already-created costumes unless this was changed on the back end (costume validation).

Edit: regardless, and lamentably, if it has already affected your costume you will have little to no recourse with Support, as it's Working as Intended. My only advice is to see if any other available jackets (besides those with cape physics, like the bolero or the trench coat) will work with your look.


 

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Originally Posted by Kallandra View Post
The thing making me wonder if this is a bug, is that the wing option is still available with every other jacket...
i think they're using some new code for costume piece exclusions and it's changed how some piece selections interact. The wedding tux uses a cape rig, so the new tailor coding resets and locks out all back piece selections with the wedding tux.

When the think tank went live you couldn't select an aura with eye effects while the think tank is selected. In that case there's a workaround, but apparently not with wings and wedding tuxedo jacket. i think it's a bit overboard to lock out all back details with the jackets since wings are animated costume pieces like other limbs, not physX-based animations like capes, so they don't have the same performance hit as multiple cape rigs.

Ah well, looks i now have a bunch of costumes i can't edit or reuse anymore.


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Ok..So I remember I saved the costume as well in a file. I went to my save screen and it's true. The wings have been removed from the saved file as well, and I got got a message stating something that there is a costume errer. Something like that...I didn't read it closely enough. But it said something along the lines of costume part unavailable.

It kept the little wings and got rid of the tux, leaving only the barbarian battle bra.

Le sigh!

But oh well...At least she has horns?


 

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When are they freeing some of the options again for us in spite of clipping or what ever reason there can be to not give those options!?

In correct combo's it looks good.... in some it will look bad. The devs are trying to make a random setting always look good. But it will be the creators choice in what he/she wears. Even if something clips terribly it could still work in certain combo's. We are a creative bunch.. don't work against that pls :S


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Originally Posted by Schismatrix View Post
i think it's a bit overboard to lock out all back details with the jackets since wings are animated costume pieces like other limbs, not physX-based animations like capes, so they don't have the same performance hit as multiple cape rigs.

Ah well, looks i now have a bunch of costumes i can't edit or reuse anymore.
I seem to recall that the capes are not PhysX pieces. PhysX was brought to CoH around CoV release wasn't it? And that was after capes being introduced.

I seem to recall they are basically a skin on a "limb" that goes through animations only in a certain order - that's why they can (or used to) go through people at times


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I thought this was about the graphics glitch with wings getting scrunched/crunched when in ninja/beast run. damn



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