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Agent White,
Posted on: 2011-10-25 21:21 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by NuclearToast
I LOLed. Running from patches like an Incarnate.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Instead, it's going to be Darth Vader versus Luke, Han, Chewie, Leia, Billy Dee Williams, C3P0, R2D2, Porkins, Admiral Ackbar, Jar Jar Binks, Kirk, Spock and half the the Rebel Alliance forces all crammed into one room, running from colored patches on the ground and obeying the red text.
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We'll just lock Cole in the hospital.
Hospital doors are stronger than Incarnates.
-Don't just rebel, build a better world, comrade!
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
You forgot the part where Luke is an NPC ally, and you have to make sure his health never gets below 50% or else you lose the trial. And he has a penchant for aggroing everything in sight.
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I would expect nothing less than, once you've finally defeated Emperor Cole, you find out that it's not really him!!!. What you just defeated was... well, you know the rest. 
To all the people who think Tyrant shouldn't be soloable for story reasons: I say that's EXACTLY WHY he should be soloable.
Just imagine this scenario:
It's been a long fight, you've had to tear through all of Cole's Army AND his Praetors in one grand reprise, and now it's down to you and him in the heart of Praetoria itself. You're well past your last leg, you've exhausted all your best moves, and Cole's still acting fresh as a daisy.
Suddenly, Cole has the Sonic Fences inverted while striking you with his full power. Now you're on the ground, somehow still intact and Cole stands over you, seemingly invincible. He doesn't even seem to care that his own city is now dead.
It all seems hopeless...
So what do you do?
Your hand's the first to twitch.
Cole steps back in shock.
Slowly you draw yourself back up to full height as lightning strikes behind casting your shadow long across the Magisterium, putting even the mighty Tyrant in your shadow as your narrow your eyes and continue to fight anyway.
Afterwords, well of furies sez: "[character]: Incarnate of the year of ALL da years."
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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I see where you're coming from but I disagree.
The whole incarnate thing, love or hate it, is building up to a huge cataclysm. If you need a huge team to beat everyone then get to Cole and solo him it cheapens the entire effort. Why the hell is he the leader when he's such a wimp?
He needs to be mega-tough and a b'stard to take down. It absolutely should not be easy! This guy is a nasty, double dealing git that will stop at nothing to maintain his power base and has taken it on himself to decide the fate of his people - and is backed up by some nasty lieutenants.
To get to that stage then solo him would cheapen it.
Yes, it needs to be very very dramatic. Maybe even a dreadful pact with Hamidon: "Take Cole, and I will let you live. But come for me and I will destroy all your kind!" may be a nasty kinda double cross that allows the Devs to pick up the Incarnate system at a later stage.
Personally I just want to get the whole Incarnate thing out the way and move on to some fun. But solo isn't gonna make it fun, it's gonna make it cheap.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And who got captured by the guys we're now beating up
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I 100% agree it should not be a trial but i do think it should be a TF. I feel that as incarnates we should not be able to defeat Cole....yet but as a small group we can.
That way the story can be satisfactorily concluded and we can get a feel of our place in the coh world as incarnates.
I also think what comes next, the coming storm or whatever it is (ive given up caring), needs to have more story involved. Maybe a combination of missions which can be done solo or as a group plus good ol' fashioned TF (after all, this is a 7 year sucessful MMO where TFs were integral to background story) and trials which, if not overused (and i will make no comments here *cough* trial grind* cough cough*) are a good variety of play style.
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Originally Posted by Feycat
Who got captured by the guys I BEAT UP SOLO long before becoming an incarnate.
You really think what you're saying SUPPORTS having it be a trial? |
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Personally I just want to get the whole Incarnate thing out of the way
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Yes - the Well has made Tyrant and his loyalist hencpeople more powerful than we can possibly imagine
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
I see where you're coming from but I disagree.
The whole incarnate thing, love or hate it, is building up to a huge cataclysm. If you need a huge team to beat everyone then get to Cole and solo him it cheapens the entire effort. Why the hell is he the leader when he's such a wimp? He needs to be mega-tough and a b'stard to take down. It absolutely should not be easy! This guy is a nasty, double dealing git that will stop at nothing to maintain his power base and has taken it on himself to decide the fate of his people - and is backed up by some nasty lieutenants. To get to that stage then solo him would cheapen it. Yes, it needs to be very very dramatic. Maybe even a dreadful pact with Hamidon: "Take Cole, and I will let you live. But come for me and I will destroy all your kind!" may be a nasty kinda double cross that allows the Devs to pick up the Incarnate system at a later stage. Personally I just want to get the whole Incarnate thing out the way and move on to some fun. But solo isn't gonna make it fun, it's gonna make it cheap. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Originally Posted by Feycat
Who got captured by the guys I BEAT UP SOLO long before becoming an incarnate.
You really think what you're saying SUPPORTS having it be a trial? |
I've just had a thought which could potentially satisfy all parties. The conclusion could take place in two events. As much as I dislike the lore, I would make it go like this:
Cole is powered by the Well of the Furies so the first part would be our final battle with him, empowered by the Well. Now this would be a full on, 24 man Incarnate trial or big, large scale Task Force, whatever works. Call in the big effects, gimmicks, whatever and go to town. Let the heavens rock with the sound of teams of Incarnates proving themselves to the Well by striking down its chosen champion.
At the end, Cole falls. The Well, impressed by our persistence, withdraws its support from Emperor Cole, leaving him as he began, the equivalent of our own Statesman. Scared, he runs from our might. Completing the trial unlocks the final part:
The second part is a story arc, similar to Ramiel's. In a team or solo, we track Cole to his refuge, and lay waste to the remainder of his personal guard until it's just us. And him. Once again, the battle is joined and Cole is brought to his knees. Just as Trapdoor was left beaten before us at the start of this journey, we face a choice: let him live or kill him.
Heroes and Villains make their moral choice but either way, the Well now speaks. We are now its named champions, heroes and villains of Primal Earth, ready to stand against the Well's greatest fear: the Battalion, now fast approaching our world.
Just as completing Ramiel's arc unlocked the Incarnate slots, completing this arc now opens the remaining five slots for Incarnates to explore.
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Originally Posted by Dante
I've just had a thought which could potentially satisfy all parties. The conclusion could take place in two events. As much as I dislike the lore, I would make it go like this:
Cole is powered by the Well of the Furies so the first part would be our final battle with him, empowered by the Well. Now this would be a full on, 24 man Incarnate trial or big, large scale Task Force, whatever works. Call in the big effects, gimmicks, whatever and go to town. Let the heavens rock with the sound of teams of Incarnates proving themselves to the Well by striking down its chosen champion. At the end, Cole falls. The Well, impressed by our persistence, withdraws its support from Emperor Cole, leaving him as he began, the equivalent of our own Statesman. Scared, he runs from our might. Completing the trial unlocks the final part: The second part is a story arc, similar to Ramiel's. In a team or solo, we track Cole to his refuge, and lay waste to the remainder of his personal guard until it's just us. And him. Once again, the battle is joined and Cole is brought to his knees. Just as Trapdoor was left beaten before us at the start of this journey, we face a choice: let him live or kill him. Heroes and Villains make their moral choice but either way, the Well now speaks. We are now its named champions, heroes and villains of Primal Earth, ready to stand against the Well's greatest fear: the Battalion, now fast approaching our world. Just as completing Ramiel's arc unlocked the Incarnate slots, completing this arc now opens the remaining five slots for Incarnates to explore. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
Let me say that I like your idea. I dislike that the trials lower the significance of the individual, and would love it if my characters could go one-on-one with Cole and be the sole savior of Praetoria.
That being said, I do not see this happening for a couple reasons. First, the Devs promised seven Praetorian Trials. We have now seen six, and since (as you say) Tyrant is really the only one left, it is pretty clear that "Cole's Tower" or something will be the final Praetorian trial. Second, Cole is the Well's champion (according to the game). Until we have access to the Omega slot, I cannot imagine us currently having the strength to take down Cole single-handedly. Again, I wish it were so, and indeed, I hope in the future that we can be on the same solo-strength level as Statesman, but I do not see it happening with Cole. |
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You might get some of that on the smaller scale solo Incarnate path - but it won't happen on the Trials, as they're co-op, so they'll always be heroic.
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Originally Posted by Rabid_M
Who says relying on villains can't be heroic in this case?
Dr Aeon has made the Web, which can drain the powers of just about every meta in the world at once. Surely, he can come up with something more portable for use against just Cole. And nobody builds a gigantic death ray like a supervillain. I see a fight where, every time Cole powers up to fight us off, we have to hit him with draining devices. The devices feed into an orbital death cannon we've mounted on Anti-Matter's space station. When it's charged, everyone has to get clear before it fires, blowing away part of his power and allowing us to hurt him again for a while. Villain tech, villain thinking, but still heroic. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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The moment we finally get to Cole Hamidon pops up and EATS HIM without us even getting a chance to throw a punch.
Then we fight Hamidon.
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Originally Posted by Dante
I've just had a thought which could potentially satisfy all parties. The conclusion could take place in two events. As much as I dislike the lore, I would make it go like this:
Cole is powered by the Well of the Furies so the first part would be our final battle with him, empowered by the Well. Now this would be a full on, 24 man Incarnate trial or big, large scale Task Force, whatever works. Call in the big effects, gimmicks, whatever and go to town. Let the heavens rock with the sound of teams of Incarnates proving themselves to the Well by striking down its chosen champion. At the end, Cole falls. The Well, impressed by our persistence, withdraws its support from Emperor Cole, leaving him as he began, the equivalent of our own Statesman. Scared, he runs from our might. Completing the trial unlocks the final part: The second part is a story arc, similar to Ramiel's. In a team or solo, we track Cole to his refuge, and lay waste to the remainder of his personal guard until it's just us. And him. Once again, the battle is joined and Cole is brought to his knees. Just as Trapdoor was left beaten before us at the start of this journey, we face a choice: let him live or kill him. Heroes and Villains make their moral choice but either way, the Well now speaks. We are now its named champions, heroes and villains of Primal Earth, ready to stand against the Well's greatest fear: the Battalion, now fast approaching our world. Just as completing Ramiel's arc unlocked the Incarnate slots, completing this arc now opens the remaining five slots for Incarnates to explore. |
In any case, I think the badge for beating the Trial/TF or whatever leads to Cole's defeat should be called Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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TO THE END!
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
In any case, I think the badge for beating the Trial/TF or whatever leads to Cole's defeat should be called Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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No, Sic Semper Tyrannis is Latin for "Thus Always to Tyrants"
to TO THE END!
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
No, Sic Semper Tyrannis is Latin for "Thus Always to Tyrants"
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