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15 EMP Merits to unlock the New Incarnates

AresSupreme

By AresSupreme,
Posted on: 2011-10-24 11:18 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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SUCCESS! Thanks Devs for listening. That's all us opinionated egomaniacs wants *goes to buy some points*

"That and Second Measure told me to take them out." *hugs Second Measure*

 

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*also hugs Second Measure*

Well that puts a stop to one of the major gripes I had with the latest issue, especially since it was basically nonsensical, I could see the reason behind the BAF and Lambda change (even if I didn't agree with it) but the 15 emp merit unlock was just puzzling.

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
Now about those BAF/Lambda rewards and "rare pistol drop"...
Positron has confirmed that the BAF and Lambda are keeping their Emp merit rewards but also said that 'if enough people don't play the new content, we're going to have to look into other ways of making the playerbase do it' (I am paraphrasing here but that is the gist of it). Which has raised a few eyebrows amongst some of my fellow players that I chat to.

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
Based on player feedback, the 15 Empyrean merit unlock has now been scrapped:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...7&postcount=98
Oh good. I guess I won't have to buy that plane ticket.

To calmly and rationally discuss with the devs the rationale for their choices of course, I'm not some violent crazy psychopath.


Go read something else now.

 

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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU View Post
Positron has confirmed that the BAF and Lambda are keeping their Emp merit rewards but also said that 'if enough people don't play the new content, we're going to have to look into other ways of making the playerbase do it' (I am paraphrasing here but that is the gist of it). Which has raised a few eyebrows amongst some of my fellow players that I chat to.
Can I get a link to that?

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That's not a dick move at all.

I was wrong. Is that what you wanted to hear? There you go. Hope you're happy. You and your incessant smilies.

What continues to bother me is why these decisions were made in the first place.
To reduce the amount of stockpile before the next big incarnate release.

 

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The pulses also one-shot my Dom and Mastermind should I take ANY damage from mis-aligning Super Leap.
Wait. I thought the pulses were a % of your health damage, not a specific amount. Wouldn't Antimatter have had to have been really damaged for the pulses to put out that much damage?

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What continues to bother me is why these decisions were made in the first place.
I continue to be confused as to why a merit cost for some abilities and not for others was thought to be a good idea myself. At least not without the purchased abilities being at least somewhat 'better'. I wasn't terribly thrilled by the emp merit nerf they tried to give the BAF and Lambda trials, but at least I could see why they were trying to do that.

I don't think I'd be terribly surprised to see a merit cost for all the abilities in the next tier. I'd actually be ok with it as long as there's consistency within that tier's powers.

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Wait. I thought the pulses were a % of your health damage, not a specific amount. Wouldn't Antimatter have had to have been really damaged for the pulses to put out that much damage?
If you get close enough to draw fire from one enemy in a span, you're going to take a salvo from the full pack. The pulse is almost overkill if you do that on a squishy AT.

 

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To reduce the amount of stockpile before the next big incarnate release.
So what? This game is about fun. Some people want it all, and they want it now(/as soon as possible). Why take that away? Locking players out of stuff just so they don't have it immediately is like handing your employee a paycheck, then saying "Don't cash this for two weeks or it won't work." What? We worked for that, why restrict us? If I had to guess, if players were to snag the new Incarnate abilities in the first few days after 21.5 hits, the first thing they'd want to do is unleash it on the new trial. What's so bad about that?

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If you get close enough to draw fire from one enemy in a span, you're going to take a salvo from the full pack. The pulse is almost overkill if you do that on a squishy AT.
Given I mostly run though the trials on my blaster, yea. That's likely why the pulse is being toned down a lot. Mostly I was just saying that Antimatter would have had to be fairly damaged for the pulse to be powerful enough to one-shot you if the only damage you've taken was from falling.

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That's not a dick move at all.
It's a lesson in optimism

And going by the time-stamp on my post and Arbiter Hawk's post, feminine intuition really is a supwerpower

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Given I mostly run though the trials on my blaster, yea. That's likely why the pulse is being toned down a lot. Mostly I was just saying that Antimatter would have had to be fairly damaged for the pulse to be powerful enough to one-shot you if the only damage you've taken was from falling.
Agreed; I think he was exaggerating on that part heh.

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
So what? This game is about fun. Some people want it all, and they want it now(/as soon as possible). Why take that away? Locking players out of stuff just so they don't have it immediately is like handing your employee a paycheck, then saying "Don't cash this for two weeks or it won't work." What? We worked for that, why restrict us? If I had to guess, if players were to snag the new Incarnate abilities in the first few days after 21.5 hits, the first thing they'd want to do is unleash it on the new trial. What's so bad about that?
Well there's the issue of people going "There's nothing new to do" because they could grab it all as the gate opened without doing the new stuff at all.

 

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Well there's the issue of people going "There's nothing new to do" because they could grab it all as the gate opened without doing the new stuff at all.
And that's bound to happen. I for one would be in the crowd of "I have all this new stuff... Let's go use it on the TPN trial!"

Stopping people from playing the game how they prefer it played is bad for business, no matter how you look at it.

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And going by the time-stamp on my post and Arbiter Hawk's post, feminine intuition really is a supwerpower
And in cases like these, a proven pain in the rear end. You done serving humble pie, GG, or do I need another three or four posts with smileys about how you're right?

(Hint: Knock it off.)

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C'mon devs, don't miss this chance.

15 Empyrean merits...

or 1200 paragon points.

 

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Thread reading fail. No more 15 emps.
They probably should just delete this thread, lol.

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On a slightly related note, Second Measure posted this evening that there would be more info on the solo Incarnate path at the Player Summit next month.

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They probably should just delete this thread, lol.
No don't delete it. This is testament to the devs reacting immediately to player complaints.

Now if only we could get that 10 sec response for PvP.

 

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On a slightly related note, Second Measure posted this evening that there would be more info on the solo Incarnate path at the Player Summit next month.
It will only cost 1600 PP (for the first half)!

 

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The knee jerk reaction to not implementing the empyrean BAF/LAM proposed nerf really does tell me that the devs dont have too much of a clue when it comes to their player base satisfaction. (Also i find it very insulting that a dev even made a THREAT against they players in that if keyes/ug/tpn does not get the numbers they want, then SOMETHING(ie a nerf) will happen to BAF/LAM). I would have thought that by going into the F2P model with the a la carte market, the game would be shifted into catering to what the players want and producing content to meet such goals. Its 2011 gone are the EQ models of grandpa MMO days where content was made in the devs eyes and players had to adapt to it. I mean its quite funny that after having coded, developed, and executed the creation of Keyes and Underground you would have thought maybe one of the many developers might have said hmmm you know what?, maybe these 2 trials arent tuned properly to be compatible with what our player base has been used to. Its shameful that the true testing and feedback isnt properly heard until after such a trial has been released. There is nothing hardcore about City of Heroes, this game is the epitome of casual gaming. Log in wipe out spawns log out. Hell even the other mmo learned their big lesson after having launched such a failure of an expansion b/c they wanted to force players back into a certain style of playing.

 

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And in cases like these, a proven pain in the rear end. You done serving humble pie, GG, or do I need another three or four posts with smileys about how you're right?

(Hint: Knock it off.)
But then her entire existence would be pointless, and she would vanish in a brief whiff of over-strong hair spray and water under bridges >_>

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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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