Discussion: Issue 21: Convergence - October 19, 2011 Patch Notes for Build 2120.201110150045.1

Huh? Now even MORE

but even when it's more than 3 SSA's it's only a one time deal that you'll get more per week than tips, as each arc shares a cooldown on each reward.

Actually, the second would be worse as then there would be less reason for a non 50 to do the arcs, and thus little point putting them as playable by anyone that isn't 50.

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

I'm not following you...

I ran pt 1 got a hero merit, immediately ran pt 2 got a hero merit, I would figure pts 3-7 would do the same... so by the time pt 4 rolls out, it would be 4 AM via SSA and 3.5 via tips, per week

The first time you run a given SSA arc, you get a 'first-time only' reward where you can pick from the table.

After that, you can only get a given reward 1/week.

So after SSA4 rolls out, you can get 5 AM the first week (4 bonus + 1 normal), then 1 AM/week after that.

may not have been working right then cause Ive run it more than that with this particular alt and he has gotten the AM every time

You get a first time free reward choice table on each arc that is independant of the normal reward table. the normal reward table has a shared cool down on the table, so take a AM from part 1 than ran part 2 the AM option would not be choosable that same week.

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

This is only true in the case where you have only one character, an absurd assumption.

168 hours/week / 7 hours * 3.5 AM = 84 AM/week

168 hours/week / 10 minutes * 1 AM = 1008 AM/week. (Which is admittedly impossible, since the character slot cap is 768. So then you end up with 40 hours a week to do something else.)

Tell me again how 768 is less than 84.

Well, either you're benefiting from a bug in your favor, or you're remembering incorrectly.

If you don't have AM from other sources, I believe the current max you can have is 7.

It's not a case of the amout of merits, as AM's aren't tradable, for a PVP recipie, it would still take 25-35 weeks to get a single pvp recipe. on a per character basis, tip farming is going to be 3.5 times faster than SSA faster. the time it would take to farm SSA's for the AM's for a PVP recipe you would have gotten above 20 and be able to affirm alighnmemt and farm merits that way.

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

Try the following: roll a CEBR brute. Powerlevel to 10 and turn off XP. Speedrun the first SSA, random-roll the resulting A-merit at Fort Trident, and dump the results on the market for 10 inf. Take your profits, mail them to your global, and delete the character. Repeat.

I'm betting that, with practice, you can get your cycle time down to under 20 minutes: 3 A-merit random rolls per hour for as long as you care to keep going.

you cant do that

Ok, trying one last time. Here's an analogy.

You're eligible for a bonus program at work. You can either get $1,000 a week, or $36,000 a month.

Your argument is the same as saying that you want the $1000/week because you "get money faster."

Don't forget you can speed-run the first SSA twice, as you have the first-time bonus.

Someone didn't read the patch notes and subsequent 3 pages that followed discussing how you can't get an A-merit at lvl 10-19 any more.

the arguement is not how many AM's can be earned total in a week, it was the stated goal of 1 L10 PVP recipie, the recipe can be achieved much earlier through tip farming than SSA farming

Tip farming you can get said recipie in 8-10 weeks as opposed to 25-35, and still have time left to actually enjoy playing the game.

And besides, there is nothing stopping someone from doing exactly the same now. just takes a little more prep work. PL to 20 and through affirming alignmemt with several toon then farm SSA's at your rate. if that was the problem that caused the nerf that all it will accomplish is delay the problem not fix it.

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

Question....has someone actually confirmed that this is the behavior in the actual game, or just interpreted the patch notes that way assuming their interpretation that ONLY morality missions confirm the alignment now? It says

i.e. is usually used to give an example, not the exclusive only way for something. Maybe characters are confirmed heroes and villains as soon as they select their alignment during the tutorial or transfer from praetoria and select hero or villain there (after all the little animation with the icon for alignment change pops up when you do them)

My point...has someone confirmed that this actually is what happens now, or is everyone getting all bent out of shape for a misinterpretation of patch notes.

Or just hit the "Clear" Button at the bottom of the screen and it'll give you that plain character we had before this patch.


Some people will like this change, some will not. It's one of those things that one or the other will be on the outs with... However, there are easy ways to avoid any problems with it, beyond one extra click to start things off how you wish.

(Just for the record, I like starting with a clean slate best, but pressing the Clear button is good enough for me)

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Yes it has been...

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

This was my reaction. Just...really? Seriously? This is just kinda dumb, to be honest.

You responded to the wrong post, but anyway...

No, the argument was about whether the devs are trying to throttle the acquisition rates of AM's in order to cut down on farming. And in that light, the devs don't care about the 'minimum time to recipe' which you are talking about, what they care about is the overall rate at which things enter the economy.

So you are still wrong, because tip farming introduces AM's into the game more slowly than the SSA.

Awww...I knew that was too good to be true.

While I do appreciate an update devoted to bugfixes, I have to agree with a few other posters who have wondered when we'll once again be able to use our actual group's emblem in our bases. I created a new base yesterday and found that it's not just existing bases that were effected; trying to add an item with the emblem on it gave me the biohazard symbol, not my VG symbol.

While I hate this change, I do understand it.

Step 1: Create a farming Brute (Claws/Elec is wonderful)

Step 2: Grind AE till level SEVENTEEN! This takes about an hour at most if you do it solo. If you have help, I imagine it could be done in minutes.

Step 3: Run first SSA arc twice; buy Miracle +recovery; email to yourself; go back to Step 1

PROFIT

This. It's basically ridiculously easy to get those expensive low-level IO Procs which go on the market for hundreds of millions of inf. Heck, if you're willing to grind a little longer you can get your hand on the level 25 LotG Global Recharge, or Numina's if you push to 27 or 30. Solo this is harder, with a good farming friend this takes, as mentioned before, just a few minutes.

I doubt the devs intended to saturate the market with AMerits. Heck, I was noting to a friend the other day how the ease with which you can earn AMerits through the SSAs (Each part of the Arc grants you 2 merits for the first two times you run, that's FOURTEEN AMerits once all 7 parts are out) and how it'll be disturbingly easy to get those expensive IOs.

I'm pretty sure at some point the devs had the same thought and realized this wasn't the intended outcome.