Who Will Die Part 2 SSA - Thoughts


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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash View Post
I think you're thinking about it too hard.

They weren't ninja. They're more like the Legacy Chain, but following Rularuu.
Yeah I'm not sure where the whole ninja thing came from. Inconspicuous they were not.


 

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Honestly, the Rulu cult is a little sudden. For seven years they didn't exist and poof, now they're a force that can directly confront the Midnighters. No build up or foreshadowing. Regardless of the flavor text, they simply haven't even been seen (even rarely) until now when really they should have.

If it had been one or two rare spawning mobs in Atlas/Mercy spotted since i20, yeah maybe. But this...yeah it doesn't fly.

IMO, it would have been a better take if they were still very small and not even Ruluruu took them seriously. Like, there's this cult fighting in his name to bring him back and he couldn't care less because they're just another snack. And when they summon up a Watcher, Wisp or whatever, it immediately turns on the cultists and they're like "Whyyyy?" and then the survivors bring in a replacement group of faithful.

In short, something that sets them apart from the CoT and BP. Those groups, the dark forces they deal with are usually all too eager to play ball, or at least pretend to. And, 7 times out of 10, the CoT manage to bind/control whatever they bring up.

Ruluruu, I can see him not even considering humans more than bugs, not even bothering to string them along or jerk their chains.


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Since the destruction of Galaxy City, the Rulu-Shin had a lot more recruits from people looking for "answers", which is why they've become more prominent now.


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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
Honestly, the Rulu cult is a little sudden. For seven years they didn't exist and poof, now they're a force that can directly confront the Midnighters. No build up or foreshadowing. Regardless of the flavor text, they simply haven't even been seen (even rarely) until now when really they should have.

If it had been one or two rare spawning mobs in Atlas/Mercy spotted since i20, yeah maybe. But this...yeah it doesn't fly.
I think you need to wander around the Midnight Club and start clicking random objects, because "sudden" they are not.


 

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Originally Posted by Scythus View Post
I think you need to wander around the Midnight Club and start clicking random objects, because "sudden" they are not.
The new Atlas content also has some foreshadowing, with the Hellion cult bcoming more apocalyptic after the destruction of Galaxy City - so the new tutorial seems like it's going to be used as a trigger for a lot of future content.


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I think you need to wander around the Midnight Club and start clicking random objects, because "sudden" they are not.
I don't think we can count one easily-missed off-hand reference from three years ago as "foreshadowing" here.

Mind you, I don't really have a problem with the Rulu-Shin per se. I'm not sure where the "ninja" label comes from; 'round here these parts ninja don't dress in day-glo colors.


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I enjoyed the arc, but as with the first one, I think it's too short, too quickly completed.

I was trying so hard not to draw attention it didn't even occur to me to tap on the guard's shoulder and try to talk to him. Just tried the file cabinet because it looked like nobody was watching there.

And in my typical, oblivious fashion, I didn't even notice Hamidon; I've never been in the Abyss, so I couldn't recognize it.

Clearly I'll have to look around more next time.


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You only list known villains. What if the bad guy is someone we think of as a hero?

In fact, what if the bad guy is a member of the Freedom Phalanx? In which case, we may be the one to kill them!
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Good point. But in that case we can narrow down which of the Surviving Eight it's not.
It's a good chance Synapse, Numina, Statesman, Manticore, Sister Psyche and Aurora are off that list.
I don't think Statesman is off the list at all. He's clearly a manipulative egomaniac. He'll reveal himself as such, betray everyone, and the last arc will be co-op. We'll all have a hand in eliminating him once and for all. And the lands will erupt with fireworks and ambrosia.


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I don't have a problem with the Rulu Shin. They're not soldiers of Rularuu, because we've all seen what the ACTUAL Soldiers of Rularuu look like. The Rulu Shin is a sect worshipping something they don't understand, kind of like what the Geth are to the Reapers of Mass Effect fame. They're mutated humans who have a death wish, and while they may have access to some of Rularuu's toys, they're still just a misguided cult.


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You only list known villains. What if the bad guy is someone we think of as a hero?

In fact, what if the bad guy is a member of the Freedom Phalanx? In which case, we may be the one to kill them!
That's a possibility. Especially since Imperious is somehow involved.


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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash View Post
I think you're thinking about it too hard.

They weren't ninja. They're more like the Legacy Chain, but following Rularuu.
They're more like:

random button + colour everything purple


 

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Originally Posted by Xanatos View Post
They're more like:

random button + colour everything purple
They have a whole host of unique costume pieces all of their own. Calling them "random button" is disingenuous at best.


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They have a whole host of unique costume pieces all of their own. Calling them "random button" is disingenuous at best.
Indeed, I never saw those eye details or those cultist masks before. If Xanatos can show where they are in the CC, I'll eat these words.


 

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I took a look at the Rulu-Shin while fighting them the other night- For the most part, their costumes are made of things we have, such as the valkyrie kilt, boots I've seen in the costume editor, and a few other recognizable pieces. However, I also saw some unique gauntlets, chest details, back parts, and some other things.
While I'm not clamoring for those parts like the withheld CoT stuff, they would be welcome additions to the costume creator.


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Yeah, I'm pretty much suspecting that'll be the next pack in the store...


 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the mystery subordinate in the cutscene (the guy in the victorian steampunk vest) say something along the lines of the next target being the one he was built for? (Look, I'm at work right now, I can't check.)

If I'm remembering that correctly, that leads me to one of two options.
1) Automaton - in which case, the Devs are really pushing the idea that this thing is being run by Nemesis.
2) Mystical construct - in which case.... I got no idea.


 

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They have a whole host of unique costume pieces all of their own. Calling them "random button" is disingenuous at best.
You're right. They look amazing. Their backstory is amazing. Their relvance to CoH is amazing. Let's continue to talk about the new amazing Rulu-Shin-Kata Clan Ritzu Fantasy VIII.


 

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You're right. They look amazing. Their backstory is amazing. Their relvance to CoH is amazing. Let's continue to talk about the new amazing Rulu-Shin-Kata Clan Ritzu Fantasy VIII.
I agree. It's certainly better than throwing around straw men and useless sarcasm and greatly embarrassing ourselves in the process.


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Played through it. Enjoyed it, but still left with the opinion that it isn't worth the 400 point cost on the Market. First Ward is still a far better deal.


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Played through it. Enjoyed it, but still left with the opinion that it isn't worth the 400 point cost on the Market. First Ward is still a far better deal.
That I agree with.

On my premium accounts I certainly will not be spending money on them.



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To be fair, the SSA arcs feel more like a perk for VIPs much more so than a meaningful purchase hook for Premium and Free players.


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To be fair, the SSA arcs feel more like a perk for VIPs much more so than a meaningful purchase hook for Premium and Free players.
Yes, "And if you order now, you can get the SSA for free, a 5$ value!"

To be honest, I don't have a problem with the SSA as a VIP perk in itself. I do have a problem with it's overvaluation though. Since as a Tier 8 whose happy with their server, it's one of the few 'points' of maintaining a subscription. [to be fair, the perceived value of VIP sub is a subject for somewhere else, just pointing out why I personally think it still has some merit in discussion relative as a VIP perk]


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I liked this part better than the first. I felt like I had more time to take in the atmosphere, more time to read the story clues. Felt a little mysterious (had music playing in the background from a Flash game [Factory Balls 4] that might have helped...).

Boss fight at the end of mission three was doable on my Ice/Time troller, though I did need to use Return to Battle (Arctic Air failed to take chunks out of the two +1 minions with him and the Natterling...and served to suck my end. Should've just tried to rotate Time Stop better).

The ambush at the end of the first mission was fun, I thought. I was on a support character, and I could help support rather than having to shoulder the entire ambushes myself. At the end of that mish, I *did* wonder where Wade had disappeared to...

Oh, and I thought the splash art was fantastic.


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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
Honestly, the Rulu cult is a little sudden. For seven years they didn't exist and poof, now they're a force that can directly confront the Midnighters.
They can? Because when I did the mission three Midnighters pretty much kicked all their butts. I hardly got a chance to do anything. They had the advantage of surprise, so they managed to take out a few Midnighter goons and capture Percy (who hasn't captured Percy?) then got their butts thoroughly kicked once the Midnighters launched a coordinated defense.

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IMO, it would have been a better take if they were still very small and not even Ruluruu took them seriously. Like, there's this cult fighting in his name to bring him back and he couldn't care less because they're just another snack. And when they summon up a Watcher, Wisp or whatever, it immediately turns on the cultists and they're like "Whyyyy?" and then the survivors bring in a replacement group of faithful.
Rularuu isn't stupid. He's going to wait until they free him, then he'll eat them.

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Ruluruu, I can see him not even considering humans more than bugs, not even bothering to string them along or jerk their chains.
We can dimension-hop, and he can't. So we're useful bugs. Rularuu has already tried to use our stuff, in the Dr. Q TF. So why not use our people too?


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I don't really know how the Super Story Arcs couldn't be seen as an awesome VIP perk.

Once we get more of them (and remember, we aren't stopping at the 7 for 'Who Will Die?') at the speed you can run these things, you can take a character who hasn't yet done any of them and get a month or so worth of Hero/Villain Merits in one day. Beyond that, even if your character has run all of these before, you can still run them on and off along with normal Tips to gain more H/V Merits than you normally would.

An involving, evolving story-line where our characters interact with the game-world on a higher level than they have before, capped off with insane amounts of rewards? I'd buy that for 400 Points.

But since I'm VIP, I don't have to


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