Competition time...yet again..still N/A only! :@
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Alexander_Drako,
Posted on: 2011-10-07 07:29 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Archiviste
Thanks for the clarification, Zwillinger.
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Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
The contest and rules itself are all determined by the fine folks at MMORPG.com. In this particular case we have no control over what countries they make this contest eligible for.
We will, when possible, endeavour to make contests we host open to as many members of Community as we can. |
I'm quite sure that Paragon Studios have the power to stipulate that their entire player base should be eligible.
Thelonious Monk
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You'd be surprised.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
I'm quite sure that Paragon Studios have the power to stipulate that their entire player base should be eligible.
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When third party sites host contests, they usually have their standard rules and regulations that they use for most, if not all, of their contests.
Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
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only if they're willing to pitch in for airline fees to accommodate overseas flights
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
I'm quite sure that Paragon Studios have the power to stipulate that their entire player base should be eligible.
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*shrugs* Puerto Rico is part of the United States and we rarely are eligible for contests either. Even the ones hosted by the folks here. One gets used to it, even if its annoying.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
You'd be surprised.
When third party sites host contests, they usually have their standard rules and regulations that they use for most, if not all, of their contests. |
This may come out harsher than intended.
But as Community Manager perhaps you could suggest to whom ever is in charge of arranging these deals with third party sites, that they not arrange them with sites that exclude parts of your community, particularly when said parts are feeling more than a little bit second class at the moment.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
I get the feeling that everyone here is clamoring for a one world government!
...just so that we can never be excluded from contests.
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That is, if any of us can agree on what form that government should take on who should be running it. Um, good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I get the feeling that everyone here is clamoring for a one world government!
...just so that we can never be excluded from contests. |
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The last thing I'd want to "win" is a haircut with a flowbie...
I do currently have a beard that could use a trim... would that be acceptable? 
(As if I would trust Posi with a flowbie anywhere near my head...)
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I shall relieve you all of the burden of trying to sort that out... It will be a dictatorship that I will lead.|
Originally Posted by Chris_Zuercher
That is, if any of us can agree on what form that government should take on who should be running it. Um, good luck with that.
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I will listen to the people... Should I keep the beard or no?
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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As long as you promise that all citizens everywhere will always be able to enter all contests and all sweepstakes anywhere on the planet at all times, then you have our devout loyalty.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I shall relieve you all of the burden of trying to sort that out... It will be a dictatorship that I will lead.
I will listen to the people... Should I keep the beard or no? |
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Modern Dictator says no. Dictaorships for Dummies does state goatees are acceptable, especially for Supervillians. Shaved/bald heads are optional according to both.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I shall relieve you all of the burden of trying to sort that out... It will be a dictatorship that I will lead.
I will listen to the people... Should I keep the beard or no? |
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Got mine submitted. Shoot I would love to win first prize, but would be happy with a year sub for free.
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and equally, Paragon Studios has the opportunity to either accept those rules or decline to run the competition. |
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
You'd be surprised.
When third party sites host contests, they usually have their standard rules and regulations that they use for most, if not all, of their contests. |
I'm afraid your argument is specious Zwillinger. It may be a commercial reality that Paragon decide to run completions that exclude part of the player base but they could, should they so decide stipulate that
- Only competitions that include the entire player base are acceptable
- standard rules and regulations must be altered to accommodate non-North American players.
Thelonious Monk
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
We will, when possible, endeavour to make contests we host open to as many members of Community as we can.
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aye approve of this.and for that kind of competition..it was used as an example (for those who didn't know) purely as it was on of the latest ones i saw
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Yep. And most people commenting here seem to be unaware that a lot of those rules and regulations are based on laws and regulations that said third parties have absolutely no control over whatsoever. It also doesn't seem to occur to them that said third parties would *love* to enlarge the scope of the contests - because that means they can attract more people people to their site which is the whole point of the contest in the first place. They don't limit them capriciously.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
When third party sites host contests, they usually have their standard rules and regulations that they use for most, if not all, of their contests.
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Why would they turn down all that great publicity just to appease a vocal minority of players? Just accept this is the way of the world and move on. |
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
and equally, Paragon Studios has the opportunity to either accept those rules or decline to run the competition.
I'm afraid your argument is specious Zwillinger. It may be a commercial reality that Paragon decide to run completions that exclude part of the player base but they could, should they so decide stipulate that
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Did you notice that MMORPG.com is currently giving away 30 day jetpack codes to NA and EU players?
Take one of those and be happy.
Hello Paragon City! I have returned from the seclusion of my Killbot-lair to state my views on this topic. We're all familiar with the argument that competitions on a global scale require compliance with each nations laws, what's a shame is that the effort this would require is seen as too much.
Surely a one-off compliance initiative would allow these competitions to be held on a much wider scale, then just a relatively small effort to maintain compliance would be needed with each new comp.
The last 'pet peeve' of mine (read: difference of opinion with NCSoft / Paragon) was over in-game ads and we all now know those didn't work out as planned. For that I was willing to plonk down my own money to fly around the world to be within earshot of the decision-makers for a brief beer-addled chat. Skype may be cheaper but doesn't carry the same weight as a personal visit. This time around the fiscal *%^$-fest that is the economy won't allow that, but if I could I would do it again.
C'mon Paragon, if ya won't do it me, do it for the world!
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I think you misspelled "Anti-Matter" and "disintegrates".
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Posi waxes your bikini line.
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Because it's lame.
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Originally Posted by Rapthorne
Why?
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You assume that would result in more that you could enter. Most likely it would put a halt to anything more than costume codes for rewards, with very occasional physical items as a reward, if ever. One of the main issues with contests is paperwork and fees, especially if the prize can be judged to have value that can be expressed via currency.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
and equally, Paragon Studios has the opportunity to either accept those rules or decline to run the competition.
I'm afraid your argument is specious Zwillinger. It may be a commercial reality that Paragon decide to run completions that exclude part of the player base but they could, should they so decide stipulate that
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Orc&Pie No.53230 There is an orc, and somehow, he got a pie. And you are hungry.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
You assume that would result in more that you could enter. Most likely it would put a halt to anything more than costume codes for rewards, with very occasional physical items as a reward, if ever. One of the main issues with contests is paperwork and fees, especially if the prize can be judged to have value that can be expressed via currency.
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How do you work that out? There are plenty of competitions take place in the EU and plenty of global and transatlantic competitions. Just because Paragon Studios don't bother with them doesn't mean they don't take place.
I'm assuming nothing. I'm simply saying this is another example where Paragon Studio treats it's EU customers poorly in comparison to its NA customers. Since we've been a single "community" we've seen a number of competitions that have been run Stateside that excluded anyone outside of continental North America. I'm open to correction but for all Zwillinger's platitudes I cannot remember a third party competition that everyone in the community could enter nor can I remember an EU specific comp.
Thus whatever the community leads have to say on the matter, actions are speaking a lot louder than their words.
Thelonious Monk
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This is probably the point. There's no way in hades I'd let ANYONE near my awesome hair with anything, so the contest itself is a moot point for me.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Thus whatever the community leads have to say on the matter, actions are speaking a lot louder than their words.
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The issue has become that, whether or not (I rather suspect not) Paragon intended it this way, the EU customers have had the resoundly short end of the stick of late. We all know the reasons, some of them even make sense, but between downtimes pretty much consistently being in EU peak hours, the server list merge global name fiasco (and yes, some of us are still pretty sore, I don't think the NA person with my global name even plays any more, I've been trying to make contact,) a whole bunch of contests we can't enter (we all know the jurisdictional reasons, but surely judicious choosing of contests and prizes minimises that,) and, as much as people like Zwil, Freitag, Avatea, etc are always nice and friendly and supportive of us (kudos peeps, kudos,) we're simply left feeling like second class citizens. Which we were promised we wouldn't be.
This whole thing's been building since the forum merge and the shift of all the EU community staff to the US. We're starting to feel sidelined and marginalised, and that should be ringing alarm bells somewhere.
This isn't about a competition, as much as it's about "Hey guys, there's an actual problem here."
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Not sure if you caught Zwillinger's posts on the first page of this thread, but MMORPG.com is responsible for the eligibilty restrictions for this contest, not Paragon Studios.
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Originally Posted by The_Killbot_5000
Hello Paragon City! I have returned from the seclusion of my Killbot-lair to state my views on this topic. We're all familiar with the argument that competitions on a global scale require compliance with each nations laws, what's a shame is that the effort this would require is seen as too much.
Surely a one-off compliance initiative would allow these competitions to be held on a much wider scale, then just a relatively small effort to maintain compliance would be needed with each new comp. The last 'pet peeve' of mine (read: difference of opinion with NCSoft / Paragon) was over in-game ads and we all now know those didn't work out as planned. For that I was willing to plonk down my own money to fly around the world to be within earshot of the decision-makers for a brief beer-addled chat. Skype may be cheaper but doesn't carry the same weight as a personal visit. This time around the fiscal *%^$-fest that is the economy won't allow that, but if I could I would do it again. C'mon Paragon, if ya won't do it me, do it for the world! |
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Also, previous winners of competitions have included EU residents. Maybe the 'Why can't we participate?' is down to the prize being more awesome?