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Yeah, I haven't seen any of the requested parts on female models either. It's possible we're not getting them because porting them over to the female (and possibly huge) model would take more development time.
Or they are still in the process of porting them over.


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Yeah, if those costume pieces aren't made for the female yet, than convert them and give them to us, darn it! I said in another thread that I would happily wait a bit longer to have this bundle if it meant porting over all the parts to the female and huge figures, instead of taking a rushed job.

So the long skirt would clip with bulky boots? The women's steampunk skirt already does to some degree. Therefore, I don't use the bulky boots when wearing that costume piece, problem solved. Same thing for the CoT skirt. So the tails on the hat would clip with chest details? Then shorten those front tails as was done with the hood. So the long skirt will look funny with the MA powerset? My MA scrapper can switch to the alternate animations for that one costume slot where he is using that piece.

I don't know why the gloves would be a chest detail, that seems kind of strange, especially when we've already got even more elaborate gloves in game, like ascension and celestial.


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i just want a wizard hat for males , females characters got all the "wizzy" stuff in the magic booster
I will trade you my witch had AND the skanky "witch lace" set for the Baron coat.


 

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I will trade you my witch had AND the skanky "witch lace" set for the Baron coat.
Word.

I'm still a little miffed that we've never gotten a female coat anything like the Baron or Victorian ones the guys got.


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Additionally, as I'm going through the mission I notice there are no female Ice Thorns. I expect the collared robe might be incompatible with the female model.
Are there any female boss or lieutenant Circle of Thorns in-game? I haven't seen any.


 

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I don't think so, but surely tweaking those costume pieces so they will fit females shouldn't be that hard.


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Posi, I _saw_ the player versions of the Pope-hat and and long skirt (Via demo-edit nothing outlawed) and they looked just _fine_

So here's the thing: I'm not touching it with a bargepole unless the already-existing-and-already-made-as-player-player-parts (eg Pope hat/longer skirts) are added back into the pack.

Do you want my money or not?
do those pieces exist for the female and huge models?


 

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Usually when a new costume pack is released, I see people all over the place wearing it. People grab it right away and go to town outfitting themselves. However with this one, I haven't seen too many other people wearing it at all. I guess there's quite a few people who were dead serious when they said "No pope hat, no sale!"

It's a cool costume set to be sure..but we players get entirely too little of it- I suspect that's part of the turnoff.


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Usually when a new costume pack is released, I see people all over the place wearing it. People grab it right away and go to town outfitting themselves. However with this one, I haven't seen too many other people wearing it at all. I guess there's quite a few people who were dead serious when they said "No pope hat, no sale!"

It's a cool costume set to be sure..but we players get entirely too little of it- I suspect that's part of the turnoff.
Interesting. What you suggest could be the case. I'm not going to say it is not.
However, as much as I love those hats and would like one (although, I don't know why... I'd really probably rather a more generic wizardly hat, to be honest), I don't think that many people really wanted the hats (I think it's mostly weirdos like us... although, there are certainly a fair amount of weirdos amongst us, hehe).
It could be the hats, the high collar, the waist cape thingy, the fuller skirt... one, some or all of the above. It could just be too light on options.
Or...
We could see the first sign of so many things coming out so quickly and people not jumping to buy each and every thing immediately (which is perfectly fine and healthy... and not a sign of doom, hehe, just in case anyone wants to jump to that conclusion).
People may have used up their points, spent their allotted amounts of money, they may be starting to get a little conservative and/or wary... "If these many things keep coming out... what is coming out next week? maybe I should wait!" (again, I think that's smart and healthy approach).

We've never seen so many things for sale, in such quick succession. Some may have enough money to buy each and every thing, but not everyone will. I can't imagine the majority are in that position.

So, we'll see...
I just thought it was interesting to hear your observation (I wasn't around too many people when I logged in).


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Well, not just "no pope hat, no sale". I've heard several people saying how sucky it is that the pack was so thin, that the coolest bits (pope hat included) were not in it.
Admittedly, I've made some cool outfits with it, but I wish there were more things to play with- a lot more things. I always mix and match it with a lot of other stuff- ascension, celestial, barbarian, samurai, etc.


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Understood

What is funny is... Remember how, when they got first glimpse of the CoT makeover, many people were saying that they were very eager to have that costume for themselves (even if they didn't like them for the CoT).

Sometimes, the developers have to scratch their heads, hehe.
What we got was a little more than what we originally saw.
Although, I'd honestly suspect that the overload in the store is going to slow down sales a bit right now.
Costume pack releases aren't going to always be like they were with the Super Boosters that came out once every few months, with tons of people all buying it at once as soon as it comes out.
We'll see!


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I think it is very clear.
We cant buy the belt, hats, high collar because right now they only exist for the male (Boss NPC)model.
They would have to work on port over those pieces for female and huge, and thats more work so maybe they decided to let it just with the basic version.


 

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What is funny is... Remember how, when they got first glimpse of the CoT makeover, many people were saying that they were very eager to have that costume for themselves (even if they didn't like them for the CoT).
We were assuming that what we saw would be a small part of the costume set we would get. Turns out that, save for the hood, what we saw in that demo WAS what we would get, and we didn't even get the cool armoured gloves from that. The general stance was "It's good as a player costume, but not for the CoT." At no point did I get a sense that people thought that was good enough for a costume SET, just that it was something they'd wear.

Yet here I am, asked to pay the equivalent of $5, half a regular Super Booster pack for a third what would normally be in a booster pack in terms of costume bits, with only a one or two actually different costume bits in there. Because, think about it: What IS in that set which isn't a practical duplicate of something else? We got chest, legs, and boots that don't present anything new that existing textures couldn't replicate, we got a pair of gloves that, while interesting, aren't all that special, we got a hood that's not very good, a belt that's not very good and the most we got was a pair of unique shoulders and a skirt.

Once upon a time, that might have been enough for me to throw $10 at it, but I won't. Not this time. Not when I can see all the cool things that the set could have held but didn't, because because. Paragon Studios need to learn that if they want to sell me something, then it needs to be worth buying. I will not be nickel-and-dimed for half-finished products.

Proliferate more pieces to player, give us the pope hats, the belts, the butt capes, the cool gloves and so forth, then bundle the whole thing as a $10 purchase if you want. The price isn't relevant. So long as the pack itself is worth OWNING, it's worth buying, even if overpriced. Or, you know, do the sensible thing and add those things, then just add them to the existing $5 bundle so people who bought it already get more stuff and people who didn't buy it actually have a reason to.

For me, it's really not the hat or the belt or any one single costume piece. It's the very act itself which turns me off. I am DONE paying for products like this. I bought your Party Pack once. I'm not going to buy what may as well be the Party Pack again. Even I'm not that gullible.


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Did this an age ago (before the re-re-design):


Funny... all the bits I was looking forward to aren't in the pack
That image doesn't prove much, other than the fact that all the pieces don't clip within the pack. Now, if that was a demo record image with the hat and, say, armor or something, it would be more convincing.

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Are there any female boss or lieutenant Circle of Thorns in-game? I haven't seen any.
I was wondering about this too. You'd think, if they were going to add female NPCs, they's do it at all levels, not just the minions.

And even if clipping with the female model is an issue when it comes to giving the players parts, the disparity (noted in this thread) between female and male clothing for players ought to mean that at least male player characters should get the hat...


 

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Weird, I was going to buy the pack when I saw the long robes/hats (I literally got excited at the idea of such cool pieces finally being added) and I couldn't find it in the creator. I came on the board to see what section they were hiding under, and lo and behold...no long robes, no hats, no gloves.

I'm with Samuel Tow on this one, no more half-assing. I've got more than enough ill-fitting meshes, clipping art costume pieces as it is for this to be an excuse. I use what works and leave the rest alone when it doesn't clip. (Has anyone seen the High Collar Robe + shoulder pads? HAHA!)


 

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I think it is very clear.
We cant buy the belt, hats, high collar because right now they only exist for the male (Boss NPC)model.
They would have to work on port over those pieces for female and huge, and thats more work so maybe they decided to let it just with the basic version.
If this was the case, Positron would have said as much, because it's a much more valid (if still not agreeable) argument than "They clip with a minority of stuff".

However, he didn't even mention it.

So... why didn't he mention it? Possibly because it wasn't a situation they considered, or it wasn't a situation they were in.

Either way, if it was true, he'd have mentioned it. Or at least clarified the point by now. People don't need to start inventing reasons and excuses for the Devs. That's why the Rednames can post here - to explain. Take their explanations over conjecture and guesswork every time.


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"no pope hat, no sale"
I'm not that big on the pope hat myself. To me its "To few pieces, no sale." Compared to what the Barbarian set gave me for 400, this is just very underwhelming. Now for 200 I'd probably have grabbed it.


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we got a hood that's not very good, a belt that's not very good
Gonna disagree with you there, Sam. That's your opinion, and it's valid, but I wish you wouldn't make that a blanket statement. There are plenty of folks (ie, the group I hang out with, anecdotes being what they are, YMMV) that like the hood and belt just fine. In fact, I LOVE the hood, and find the open-neckness of it a very desirable addition to the costume options.


 

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If part of the issue was porting the lt. and boss pieces over to the female and huge models, I was willing to wait for that to happen. I was willing to wait, so that this pack could be as cool as possible, offering as much value as possible, so it would be on par with what the rest of the costume packs give us for the same amount of money. I'm sure a lot of the other people here expressing disappointment would have been willing to wait too, for something that wasn't rushed. Wait, so that the male parts we all were gushing over could be ported to the other body types. Wait, so maybe more pieces could be adjusted for the player models, so perhaps clipping wouldn't be as bad. We would be willing to wait, so this pack could be made as cool as possible. But no. They gave us the lowest of the low-hanging fruit just to rush it out the door. Come on, even most of the female minions get the skirt with the buttcape, surely that can't be any worse for clipping than the steampunk skirt we already have, why was that withheld?
We're not upset because the costumes are bad. Far from it- Lots of us love the look of the costume set and want as much of it as possible. We're just upset that of all the cool things dangled in our face with the premise that NPC parts will be made available to players, we got so very little of it, and were charged as much as the most detailed of packs

Seriously, rednames. If you want to salvage this mess and make a lot of people happy, either give us a lot more of these missing pieces, even if you have to warn us that those long skirts will clip with a lot of boot options, or that the gloves were made for use with tights, and will probably clip with robes or baggy tops, and let us work things out for ourselves..
Or- go back to the drawing board and do some adjusting on those pieces so clipping won't be as bad, even if it takes longer to get them out to us.

Either way, it will make a lot of us upset folks much happier, and will more than likely result in a lot more sales.


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Gonna disagree with you there, Sam. That's your opinion, and it's valid, but I wish you wouldn't make that a blanket statement. There are plenty of folks (ie, the group I hang out with, anecdotes being what they are, YMMV) that like the hood and belt just fine. In fact, I LOVE the hood, and find the open-neckness of it a very desirable addition to the costume options.
I meant it more in the sense that they're not all THAT terribly different from what we already have. Sure, they have their uses, but are they worth buying the whole pack? No, not really. Are they worth buying in pieces? Eh, probably, but not immediately as they come out.

That's my point - I WANTED to buy the pack just because I wanted to buy the pack, but I disagree with the policy behind the pack. I'm no longer going to buy these things in good faith.


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I meant it more in the sense that they're not all THAT terribly different from what we already have. Sure, they have their uses, but are they worth buying the whole pack? No, not really. Are they worth buying in pieces? Eh, probably, but not immediately as they come out.

That's my point - I WANTED to buy the pack just because I wanted to buy the pack, but I disagree with the policy behind the pack. I'm no longer going to buy these things in good faith.
I disagree that they're not significantly different, but I agree with you that the pack really is too thin to merit buying. I didn't buy the Party Pack, either, because it wasn't enough value for the money. But I had the point lying about, you know?

I think all the parts in the pack are worth having, I just think the pieces that are missing are significant enough to raise a hue and cry over. It's not that what's there isn't great - we just deserve more than that.


 

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I bought the whole pack because I had use for all pieces. I would have liked it if the hat, the collar, the long skirt and the back piece the Death Mages have were also included. A thorny belt would've been great, too. That would've made the pack great value instead of just slightly better value than buying the pieces individually. It would've sucked to wait for those pieces to be reconfigured for women and huge bodies but I would've dealt with it.


 

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I think all the parts in the pack are worth having, I just think the pieces that are missing are significant enough to raise a hue and cry over. It's not that what's there isn't great - we just deserve more than that.
That's what I'm saying - the pack isn't BAD, it's just not worthy of being called a pack. It's not enough. All of the pieces have their uses, I'm sure, but none of the pieces are SO good as to make the pack worth it, and I honestly don't want to see these half-finsihed packs again. Not if "clipping" is going to be the excuse and not unless we're promised that the rest will come in as later additions.


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That's what I'm saying - the pack isn't BAD, it's just not worthy of being called a pack. It's not enough. All of the pieces have their uses, I'm sure, but none of the pieces are SO good as to make the pack worth it, and I honestly don't want to see these half-finsihed packs again. Not if "clipping" is going to be the excuse and not unless we're promised that the rest will come in as later additions.
so you and Feycat are kind of in agreement here?
Also, bumping because I'd really like it if the Devs could give further feedback.
Looking back on Positron's post, it seems even HE didn't know the real reason why many of the pieces were held back.


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That's what I'm saying - the pack isn't BAD, it's just not worthy of being called a pack. It's not enough. All of the pieces have their uses, I'm sure, but none of the pieces are SO good as to make the pack worth it, and I honestly don't want to see these half-finsihed packs again. Not if "clipping" is going to be the excuse and not unless we're promised that the rest will come in as later additions.
I feel the same as you and Feycat (and many others). It does feel a bit more like the kind of set we might have gotten in a regular issue (a bit fancier with the skirt-thing, perhaps).
Not that's there's necessarily anything wrong with that, but their price point may be a bit off.
One or the other - More stuff or lower cost - Is my general feeling about it.

To be honest, I had a small feeling that the Barbarian set was just a bit light... But, the more I looked at it and played around with it, the more versatile I saw a lot of the options (never mind when counting the actual number of items).


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