Hardest Master of...

Just like the title, what do you think is the hardest "Master of..." badge to get is...and why?

My ranking from easy to hard is this -
Imperious / Lady Grey (These are both pretty easy, altough Lady Grey's Hami mission is tricky)
Kahn (Quad AV's at the end make it slightly harder than a ITF)
Tin Mage (Director 11's fight..although easier with incarnates now)
BAF (you could almost do it sleeping, but the final fight needs some degree of timing)
Apex (Final AV fight on a timer, puts pressure to get it done, some just can't do it)
Barracuda (Last room fight, with no deaths can be a real killer)
Lord Recluse (Final AV's fight, unless well orchestrated could make you fail)
Statesman (Ghost Widow..enough said)
Lambda (Fighting Maurader's res without nades sucks..bad)
Underground (LONG...the timing on the final fight may be difficult, not alot of teams have the coordination for the bomb run)
Keyes (Avoids the Green Stuff badge..and Loves a Challenge..old school master rules on new content sucks)

What kind of ranking do you have? Which "Master of.." badge are you most pround of?

Just because it took many, many runs to finally get. I am most proud of Master of Keyes.

it varies per toon for me lol

ive nearly solo'd MoITF when i still hear of teams failing it on occasion (although on the forums i know most poeple are OP here lol)

keyes trial/badges fill me with such hate and disgust i prolly have to say thats the hardest MO badge, most of the other ones were cakewalk

(i have to agree the lambda badges are stupid in design too and i know a lot of poeple who got all 3 badges (antacid, well stocked, lambda looter) when it was bugged so all 3 awarded at once)

most of the other tfs i do not think are that difficult to get MOs with the right buffs/team

Got all Master of badges but for lambda, undergroud and keyes that cause i dont like doing itrials as been get slots unlocked and swap shards to threads yer i know long way doing things.

Master of badge proud of have to be master of LGTF as love that TF/SF

I'd say hardest three, from easiest to hardest, for me would be:

• Underground (the badge req's really aren't hard, they just require solid coordination; the Avatar timed kill badge is a crap shoot though, but it's feasible)
• Lambda (Marauder kill without grenades is a beast, especially with the clock ticking and Unstoppable popping up, sometimes two or three times).
• Keyes (Sheer number of steps in an essentially open field of three identical regions gives people logic lobotomies after having complete these requirements, and Green Beam is the crap shoot of all crap shoots)

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From easy to hard:

LGTF - the hami but can get some people although EoEs make this much easier
LRSF - The final fight can be tricky
Underground - Just because it's still new and some people may not be aware of the bombs/seedling bits
Keyes - Ugh...

The rest are all pretty easy especially if you don't mind taking more than 1 run for some of the badges, such as on Tin Mage, BAF.

It also depends on the makeup of the team, even though you don't need the perfect team, a few builds or At's make a big difference in how easy and hard they are.

No holds/ not enough melee damage on a LGTF will either fail or drag that part out.

Having a pema mind dom on a LRSF makes it a cakewalk.

Having a cold on a STF can pretty much kill Ghost Widows heal makes her pretty easy to heal meaning less stacking of holds on your meat sheild

My ranking on the 4 hardest ones with a normal type team are

1. Keyes - nuff said
2. Underground - just because its new I see this moving down soon
3. LRSF - I still think this is the hardest old school TF around for just a normal group of players and builds.
4. LGTF - Even though its only 1 mission that's hard, with so many people that are used to speeding this and are used to just going crazy during the Hami part, its pretty easy to still die.
5. All the other ones I have done multiple times with a bunch of different toons, so I would rate them below these 4.


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Keyes is currently the worst of the bunch by far.

Lambda is next since fighting Marauder without grenades can be tricky if players on team can't compensate for no grenades.

Underground: it's new, given time people will run it blindfolded.

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I see Keyes as the hardest.
I don't find the Underground badges to be as difficult as Keyes.

For me it'd be (easiest to hardest):

Apex - can't lose through deaths, easy to get without even trying for it.
TinM - relatively easy to get without even trying for it, as long as people enter the warehouse on time.
Kahn - nothing really threatening in the whole TF, final AVs pop one by one and won't be too much trouble with anyone decent at keeping aggro.
ITF - while it remains easy, ambushes can kill a sloppy squishie.
LRSF - the AV fights themselves are easy as long as you have a decent aggro toon, the biggest threats are either a squishie getting too cocky and PBAoE'd to death during those fights, or getting killed by robots in mission 2 or the longbow inc in mission 4.
STF - the tree part can get squishies killed, as well as the ambushes during Dr Aeon's mission. No real challenge otherwise if you play it cheap and safe with Recluse (i.e. jetpack taunt).
Barracuda - either requires a defender or mastermind, heavily incarnated alts, or more than 4 players. Lots of ambushes.
LGTF - players with mez powers are almost mandatory for that one.
BAF - need at least 12 players to start. High chance to have someone screw up.
Lambda - less restrictive than BAF, but harder. Squishies can get killed relatively easily unless there's more than the minimum and/or people with multiple level shifts.
Keyes - as many players required as BAF and the unwillingness of the playerbase to run it at all, combined with an overreliance on heals easily makes this one of the hardest one if not the hardest to get.
UG - no clue, I haven't even done the trial yet, but hearing friends saying how long it takes and it being heal based once again, I'm inclined to assume it might follow the same pattern as Keyes, with very few people willing to do it at all.

I would rate Keyes the hardest with Lambda close behind. Keyes because the badges just don't make sense. Damage Anti-Matter to 10% and then try to complete it ... Why!???. Stand around tapping your foot and let Anti-Matter fully heal 3 times in final fight ... Why!??? At least the door badge and avoid the green stuff make some sense even if they are tricky to get. There may be other badges awarded for doing crazy stuff but these seem above and beyond to me. Almost like awarding badges for griefing a trial.

The three main lambda badges are just messed up. They should only have one run where you can't use grenades or acid and allow you to use just grenades and just acid on the other two (even if you have to get them from the courtyard). Just don't have the patience to beat my head against that wall three times so I haven't done it.

Think that Underground with practice will have same difficulty as BAF. It can be easily failed, but with enough people knowing what need to be done almost every other run will be Mo. Bombs are not hard if people don't rush, and Avatar fight badge needs same coordination as BAF one.

Keys and Lambda - I don't even want to try, especially Keys.

MoLRSF is a joke because of perma mind doms, if you don't know someone that can play one for your group then its not too bad if you have alot of buffs/debuffs rolling in your group, if you don't have either of the above then you should rethink your group comp. MoSTF is pretty easy if you have some solid buffing going on, and can be earned without even trying for it on speed runs with people that know what theyre doing. These 2 masters difficulty depends heavily on what kind of group composition you are running (heavy amounts of support = easier run) and if you have competant players (the ones who know when to pop break frees and greens)

MoKhan is extremely easy and can be done with 4-8 people easily, the AVs at the end don't hit that hard at all. MoCuda on the other hand is probably the most annoying master badge to get for people (apart from lamda/keyes), as with the ambushes at the end while fighting reich its better to clear all ambushes before actually fighting him, as getting dropped to 1 hp by reich then getting unlucky even at softcap defense being hit by some random 5th column dude happens way more than you'd think it would or could -_-

It is more common that a regular apex run will achieve master than it is for it to not, this is definitely by far the easiest master.
Master Tin Mage's Midnight Dodger can be done with nukes/shivs or just softcapping your whole team with colds/bubblers/veats/etc and melting him, he can go down real fast with a good group lessening the time that people need to worry about getting hit by a bomb.

LGTF has hami, which can be annoying with an uncoordinated or weak team, but can be allieviated by using EoEs and/or retreating after x number of mito kills.

Master of Underground honestly isnt that difficult and I think as time goes on it will show to be even more and more easy as people get more familiar with the trial.

Havent done Lambda and Keyes master runs yet as I havent been playing the game, but theyre the hardest from what I can tell just looking at the badge requirements and knowing the fights.

Yep, I'd say Master of the Keyes trial is the hardest.

I thought the UG trial would be harder to get the Master of badge but...nope..surprisingly I'm glad it's not hard to get (beyond some coordination from people).

Based on the number of attempts it took to get the badge, I'd agree with everyone else and say that Keyes is the toughest. It took my team something like 25 attempts to get that badge. I lost the exact count after a while. However, in terms of player coordination I would say that the Underground trial is worse.

With Keyes, we usually went with the minimum requirement of 12 people because less people meant a greater chance of success on the final two badges. With the underground trial, that really isn't an option at present because we need the damage, buff, and debuff output of a larger league to take down the war walkers and the avatar. That makes team coordination much tougher. So far, I've tried for the underground badges about 15 times and still haven't gotten all of them. Just about every time, one of the following things happens - Someone will run off during the bomb phase and trigger a bomb, or people will use regen and defense buffs while confused and fighting the avatar, making him unbeatable, or the person with desdemona goes afk and a patrol kills her. I've even had the avatar kill desdemona several times after an otherwise successful badge run.

I think most of those failures are due to team coordination, which will likely get better over time as people get more used to the trial. Assuming that they even want to run it at all, that is. In just the last week, I've seen the number of Underground trial runs drop quite a bit - and that is regular trial runs.