Paragon Market prices
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Posted on: 2011-09-14 10:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Spend the dollars on the points. There's a price break for some point bundles. |
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
Quick question...
Will I be given the OPTION to use my ccard instead of spending the points? I was considering the 6 pack of server transfers, but I would rather just pay the dollar amount at this time, and save my points for other things. Just wanted to check here if anyone has the answer before I find myself in "checkout", spending points instead of dollars. |
Then spend the points you just bought on the xfers.
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So the answer is "no". The store operates exclusively on PPoints... ?
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Originally Posted by Feycat
Spend the dollars on the points. There's a price break for some point bundles.
Then spend the points you just bought on the xfers. |
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Had some time to poke around at lunch. Reductions on a lot of things I wanted, no change on some things I have already or don't want, and therefore I am happy. Looking forward to the inevitable sales! Thanks for reinforcing my good opinion of the dev team.
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yes it does but as noted just buy points with your dollars and get a bulk discount (actually bonus points).
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
So the answer is "no". The store operates exclusively on PPoints... ?
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The answer is no, it operates exclusively on paragon points. Is there a specific reason you would not want to buy points with your credit card and then use them. If nothing else, you do realize you get Paragon Reward Tokens for purchasing points ($15 = 1 reward token).|
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
So the answer is "no". The store operates exclusively on PPoints... ?
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Among the reasons for using points is that NCSoft doesn't have to process lots of tiny card transactions for individual items which can contribute to fraud alerts and also increases the cost of processing.
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apparently the hint wasn't gotten from the thread in the beta forums.
These prices are simply too high.
I'm not paying $10 for a new power-set.
I'm not paying $7.50 for a (admittedly cool looking) travel power.
I'm not paying near the cost of a completely new game just to get more costume slots.
I'm not paying near the cost of a completely new game just to get more enhancement storage slots.
I'm not going to buy enhancement boosters. I don't need them.
I'm not going to buy IO sets. I don't need them.
Everything that I would have bought is simply priced too high for me to choke down buying. Everything that is priced... you know... in the MICROtransaction price bracket is stuff I don't need or can do without.
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Indeed. I was previously considering the extra enhancement slots to be a day 1 purchase: But not at $20 per tray.|
Originally Posted by Haggard4Life
Might not be a bad idea to wait for a sale on the various inventory expansions.
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Also I'm sad to see no movement on the price or selection of costume temp powers: Still 400-800 for a list that mostly just includes ones you can get very close to in the character creator.
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I only had a chance to look at costume/expansion sets, but the prices for those seemed reasonable. My one concern was that sets were offered that I knew I already owned, while others I thought I might not... well, I'm leery of trying to buy until I know for sure what I already have.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
There should have been some significant price changes...maybe not to the *specific* items you were looking at, however check items such as some of the costume pieces and the Enhancement Boosters.
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Then don't buy anything and let the 400 points/month you get as a VIP accumulate.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
Everything that I would have bought is simply priced too high for me to choke down buying. Everything that is priced... you know... in the MICROtransaction price bracket is stuff I don't need or can do without.
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Honestly I think all of the inventory increases, including extra costume slots, are way over priced. I've written threads about this, but in those threads no one really seemed to agree with me, then I see other people voicing the same opinion I've been trying to voice since the very beginning of closed beta. I'm a little frustrated.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Enhancement Inventory increases feel kind of steep.
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Honestly, the option to increase inventory size of any sort, should not, In my opinion, be of the same price range as Content like missions, power sets, the alignment system etc.
Yes, buying the ability to hold 10 more lousy enhancements at a time, is some how more costly than the alignment system....
I'm quite a bit under whelmed by Freedom. I21 is great really, but The whole store... Is under whelming. They have some cool new stuff, but so much of it is priced so high I can't justify buying it. So I guess I'm waiting for sales or price reductions, which is a shame because I honestly want to spend money with Paragon Studios, I just want more value for it.
And I feel like the whole store thing has a lot of links to it, which I don't like. It's one of the main problems I had with a couple other F2P games, every time I open a new screen I've got the "spend money on this" button showing up in my face. This isn't as bad as some of the other games, but honestly I think a link in the in game menu, one that's an optional part of the UI, and one in the char select screen should be enough. I don't need one in the costume select screen, in the costume creator or anywhere else for that matter.
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Thank you for answering the question that was asked, and not anticipating or presuming my reasoning for it (asking my reasoning and presuming are two different things in my book). |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The answer is no, it operates exclusively on paragon points. Is there a specific reason you would not want to buy points with your credit card and then use them. If nothing else, you do realize you get Paragon Reward Tokens for purchasing points ($15 = 1 reward token).
Among the reasons for using points is that NCSoft doesn't have to process lots of tiny card transactions for individual items which can contribute to fraud alerts and also increases the cost of processing. |
I understand the reasoning for "bulk" points purchases, and the bonus reward point is a nice carrot. Avoiding small transactions is also understandable.
But frankly, I don't feel the need to justify the way I choose to spend my money... let's just say, I like OPTIONS. I think it would be nice to have the OPTION to simply pay "cash" for transactions of/equivalent to a certain dollar amount. I do not like the feeling of being pigeon holed. It may seem "irrational" to some, but there ya have it.
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In all fairness, they might have gotten the hint and discarded it.. or decided to hold price reductions until later on. Sell what they can now to those who of us who will pay, or use their built-up free points.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
apparently the hint wasn't gotten from the thread in the beta forums.
These prices are simply too high. I'm not paying.... |
There's also the sales aspect. Put the power set on sale every so often and see who buys it at eight dollars instead of ten.
I'd seriously consider dropping the points for a power set if I *really* want it, and if enough people are willing to pay more, it'll make up for the lost sale of those like you who won't pay because it's too high.
Plus, of course, not buying it's a valid option. I'm guessing that if a small percent of would be buyers are lost due to the price, that isn't a lost sale but rather a fact of life.
If that makes sense.
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On the upside, it sounds like something they'd take as a serious future wish list for development of the store. You know how our developers love to, er, develop things. |
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
But frankly, I don't feel the need to justify the way I choose to spend my money... let's just say, I like OPTIONS. I think it would be nice to have the OPTION to simply pay "cash" for transactions of/equivalent to a certain dollar amount. I do not like the feeling of being pigeon holed. It may seem "irrational" to some, but there ya have it.
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Store's got a lot of room for it, too.
I bet if it is a wish list item, they let it out of the bag as soon as they can. On the other hand, they might just like the financial stability of getting people to buy in five dollar or greater chunks. (Or is that as silly as it sounds in my head?)
J/ Wilde
Still hate the visit Winscott mission- make it dropable, have it give actual exp or remove it altogether. PS- Down knows who you are.
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Off topic I know, but I think the yellow names look uuuuuugly.|
Originally Posted by joshdex
PS: I like how our VIP names are now gold.
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As for the prices, bought sale priced Beam Rifle on the spot. Considering some costume packs but may just wait and see what other sales go on.
For my money, the biggest letdown is the super tailor for 800 points. That's the cost of the entire booster pack without getting any of the costume stuff.
I gave up trying to buy any type of storeage increase but the costume slots. Too costly Powers to Be.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
These prices are simply too high.
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My perspective:
I dropped $100. I bought everything that wanted right now, it allowed me to get all of the token slots filled, left me 2 tokens extra for the rotating items in the future and I have 6870 point for buying more stuff as I want it.
Loving it all, happy to be able to give Paragon the money to continue to build the game, I don't feel the least bit bad about any of it.
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This is pretty much what I did at lunch. Seeing the actual pricing made me content to drop a hundred on it. Still have 5K or so points left, gonna spend that on storage when I get home.
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Originally Posted by MajorPrankster
My perspective:
I dropped $100. I bought everything that wanted right now, it allowed me to get all of the token slots filled, left me 2 tokens extra for the rotating items in the future and I have 6870 point for buying more stuff as I want it. Loving it all, happy to be able to give Paragon the money to continue to build the game, I don't feel the least bit bad about any of it. |
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1 paragon point to too much for that power in my opinion for that power
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Originally Posted by Placta
Shadowy Presence was 200 on Beta, and is now 60. That's still 60 too many, but it's come down.
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Its possible, but not likely in my opinion. The two rationale I presented above were not chosen randomly: it was specifically stated that two advantages of the points system was lower processing and reducing the problems with dealing with errant fraud alarms. I find it difficult to believe Paragon would implement a feature that would cost them money and generate fraud alarms that both they and their customers would have to deal with the ramifications of.|
Originally Posted by joshdex
On the upside, it sounds like something they'd take as a serious future wish list for development of the store. You know how our developers love to, er, develop things.
Store's got a lot of room for it, too. I bet if it is a wish list item, they let it out of the bag as soon as they can. On the other hand, they might just like the financial stability of getting people to buy in five dollar or greater chunks. (Or is that as silly as it sounds in my head?) J/ Wilde |
I suspect there is a further reason beyond the "stability" one you mention above, and that is credit card processing takes more time and resources than burning points which are entirely internal to the store. So minimizing the number of credit card transactions also reduces backend processing load.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
These prices are simply too high.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
I'm not paying $10 for a new power-set.
I'm not paying $7.50 for a (admittedly cool looking) travel power. I'm not paying near the cost of a completely new game just to get more costume slots. I'm not paying near the cost of a completely new game just to get more enhancement storage slots. I'm not going to buy enhancement boosters. I don't need them. I'm not going to buy IO sets. I don't need them. |
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Everything that I would have bought is simply priced too high for me to choke down buying. Everything that is priced... you know... in the MICROtransaction price bracket is stuff I don't need or can do without.
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As to the market, even though I'm getting free points, I don't expect to make many purchases. To me this is yet another failed system that will suffer from lack of use.
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I suspect you're wrong there. I'm not saying some of the prices aren't a bit high, but I would bet more cash than necessary to buy everything in the store that the store won't suffer from lack of use.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
As to the market, even though I'm getting free points, I don't expect to make many purchases. To me this is yet another failed system that will suffer from lack of use.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I suspect you're wrong there. I'm not saying some of the prices aren't a bit high, but I would bet more cash than necessary to buy everything in the store that the store won't suffer from lack of use.
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- Overpriced
- Slow
- Hard to find what you want or have to scroll through dozens of pages.
- Doesn't show what you have purchased.
- Has error messages that are don't actually say what the error is.
- Bundles don't say what is in them (ie. no detailed descriptions)
- Items don't say if there is a bundle with them.
- Just because it has to be said again: It is overpriced. $50 is the cost of a new game. $50 should not be the cost of 5 new costume slots.
I don't expect to use it much for the above reasons.
I would suggest that the development team responsible for the market to actually see how online carts work and rebuild this.
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Am I wrong, or was stuff we've already bought supposed to be hidden?
It's very annoying that it's not, either way.
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Looking at most of the micro-transaction stores that require you to buy points to use in the store the primary reason for it seems to be to obfuscate the real prices.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Its possible, but not likely in my opinion. The two rationale I presented above were not chosen randomly: it was specifically stated that two advantages of the points system was lower processing and reducing the problems with dealing with errant fraud alarms. I find it difficult to believe Paragon would implement a feature that would cost them money and generate fraud alarms that both they and their customers would have to deal with the ramifications of.
I suspect there is a further reason beyond the "stability" one you mention above, and that is credit card processing takes more time and resources than burning points which are entirely internal to the store. So minimizing the number of credit card transactions also reduces backend processing load. |
Giving you 800 points for $10 instead of 1000 is there entirely to make you think it's closer to $8 than $10.
Quick question...
Will I be given the OPTION to use my ccard instead of spending the points?
I was considering the 6 pack of server transfers, but I would rather just pay the dollar amount at this time, and save my points for other things.
Just wanted to check here if anyone has the answer before I find myself in "checkout", spending points instead of dollars.
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