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While I think this is mostly true I've also noticed that non-PvPers have really really bad ideas for PvP and then run off crying when they're told exactly how bad their ideas are.|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
the most common trope you encounter in these discussions is that pvpers have a bad attitude, are jerks, trolls, meanies, blah blah blah and so they turn people off to pvp and slow the pace of development.
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The stereotype about PvPers is a little ridiculous, especially because most of the PvPers I know also happen to be some of the smartest, most helpful, and best PvEers in this game as well.
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I have to disagree. Most of the time these PvEers do get upset when they get completely demolished, but the PvPers don't handle the situation any better. They do the same thing, talking **** right back. This is not every time, of course, but the vast majority of PvPers left are like this.|
Originally Posted by macskull
While I think this is mostly true I've also noticed that non-PvPers have really really bad ideas for PvP and then run off crying when they're told exactly how bad their ideas are.
The stereotype about PvPers is a little ridiculous, especially because most of the PvPers I know also happen to be some of the smartest, most helpful, and best PvEers in this game as well. |
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Thank you for your contribution? Oh the irony... d;D
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Originally Posted by Sentry4
Although true, PvP still stands to be the game's most difficult content and always will be, which will attract the most intense min/maxers of the game.
If anything, PvP is the real end-game of CoX, since being the best will mean you need an extreme level of knowledge (DR, every game mechanic, PvE + more), typically the maximum amount of money you would need (53 HOs will be better than their 50++ ones), knowing the psychology of the person you're fighting, and more precise timing. PvP at higher levels demands perfection and there is not a single thing PvE that only 1 person can do which requires them to be perfect at everything, where as PvP's "best player" so to speak, will have to. When CoX becomes free to play, a lot of people will run through the hardest content within half a year before they bore of dominating PvE. It can be challenging, but not nearly -as- challenging, and new players are going to need a challenge if they want to stay. I enjoy high levels of PvE myself, but PvP offers a game where I have to be smarter than my opponent, and outsmarting AI isn't nearly as difficult. Removing PvP wouldn't do much now, but it would later, players wouldn't stay as long and in the long run they would lose a significant amount to make them regret getting rid of it. |
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I did not tell you that you have no right to talk. I told you that you and your statements were ignorant, pretentious, asinine, contrived, and wrong. Based on this statement alone, I was warranted:|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
*shrug*
When I have a bad customer experience, I take my business elsewhere. As far as I can tell, the PvPers in CoH are gluttons for punishment. Any other group of people in this game, upon having the part of it they enjoy the most gutted, would have moved on to a game that gives them the experience they want. But PvPers here hang on in the (probably vain) hope that, someday, the devs might make it all better. They will probably look at PvP again, and make changes. But, if the past is any indication, what they end up doing isn't going to be what PvPers want. I'm not a hardcore PvPer, and I never claimed to be. What I am is a "casual" PvPer. I mess around with it on occasion just for fun, and I don't take it too seriously. I don't think I've ever made a dedicated PvP build (mostly because I don't want to farm my buttocks off to afford all the stuff I'd need for it), and I'm happy with where my PvP skill level is (honestly somewhere in the neighborhood of "mediocre") So I guess since I'm not "invested" in PvP or "dedicated" to it, I'm not allowed to say anything about it? And PvPers wonder why they're the red-headed stepchildren of this game. If you didn't come into a conversation with people outside your little circle throwing insults and derision at them, maybe you wouldn't be huddled your little corner and the REST of the game might actually care that you exist. I don't personally have anything against PvPers, but I gotta say, the attitude some of you have toward anyone who isn't one of you isn't helping your case any. (The last part was directed at the guy who made his first post to tell me how I have no right to talk about PvP because I'm not invested in it) |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Sorry, this game does not live or die by the PvP population. That has been conclusively PROVEN already. Every single PvPer could up and leave right now and the game would not even notice.
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I stated that you are not an invested member of the PvP community because it is obvious that you are ignorant to the current state of PvP and how it got there as well as ignorant of the people that participate in PvP. I did not tell you to shut up and go away, I told you to get it right next time you want to trash talk PvP and it's players.
You stated that the PvP in this game was not a significant part of this game. You seem to think that PvP is not a viable extension of the story based PvE in this game. Do you know the lore of the PvP zones? It speaks for itself. The reason people don't play it (as much as they would, or did) is because the mechanics are broken and have been ignored for years. PvP is part of the game that people payed for upon purchasing city of Heroes/Villains in the first place. Your subscription and mine also pay for the server resources that facilitate it.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Ranged ATs will ALWAYS have the advantage over melee ATs, and there's nothing that can really be done about that. Getting rid of Travel Suppression and Heal Decay will help, but it's not going to fix everything by itself.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Their work is cut out for them and anything they do will be met with scorn and anger.
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I am sure there are other ways I could correct or berate you, but this post is long enough.
tl;dr To say that PvP is not a relevant part of this game is offensive and ignorant. You do not have the knowledge to justify your claims.
One time...PF told me I was stupid, then made me do a bunch of BAF's back to back.. I died a lot. The end.
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Originally Posted by Hemmingway
I did not tell you that you have no right to talk. I told you that you and your statements were ignorant, pretentious, asinine, contrived, and wrong. Based on this statement alone, I was warranted:
Ignorant as you are, you may not know that many of the (past and present) 'best' or most active PvPers are among the 'best' and most active PvEers. Personally, I did not get into PvP because I revel trash talking or farming noobs. I became a member of the PvP community because I enjoy playing this game and the PvE content has long since stopped entertaining me. I joined the PvP community after years of almost exclusively PvEing. After my short time participating in this games PvP I find myself empathizing with most all the sentiments and wishes of the rest of the PvP community. I stated that you are not an invested member of the PvP community because it is obvious that you are ignorant to the current state of PvP and how it got there as well as ignorant of the people that participate in PvP. I did not tell you to shut up and go away, I told you to get it right next time you want to trash talk PvP and it's players. You stated that the PvP in this game was not a significant part of this game. You seem to think that PvP is not a viable extension of the story based PvE in this game. Do you know the lore of the PvP zones? It speaks for itself. The reason people don't play it (as much as they would, or did) is because the mechanics are broken and have been ignored for years. PvP is part of the game that people payed for upon purchasing city of Heroes/Villains in the first place. Your subscription and mine also pay for the server resources that facilitate it. Again you are wrong. Travel suppression helps melee to fight kiting ranged toons. It certainly is not the best way to help that situation, but it does help melee more than it helps ranged. Aside from that, it is not the case that range is in every case better than melee. You don't know a whole lot about PvP (obvious), so you do not know what a stalker, scrapper, brute, or tanker brings to the table in team based PvP. Again, wrong. With i13, they made many changes that were not what the current PvP community wanted. They suggested many things to the Devs but were mostly ignored. Instead the Devs tried to cater to would-be PvPers among the rest of the community. They failed, as the mechanics they introduced were not fun for PvErs either. They also promised that they would continue to work on PvP with every issue following i13. That promise was then completely abandoned. So you still think that the animosity felt for the development team for what has happened (or not happened) to PvP is unwarranted? The Devs did plenty to earn the hostility that they have received. Some of it has certainly been out of line, and some understated. This is not so different to responses to nerfs or changes to PvE. Enhancement Diversification was not met with parties and parades either. I am sure there are other ways I could correct or berate you, but this post is long enough. tl;dr To say that PvP is not a relevant part of this game is offensive and ignorant. You do not have the knowledge to justify your claims. |
PvP is balanced and is working as intended. d;D
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Originally Posted by SkylineGTR
Alright here's my contribution: PvP was a lot better when everything was unbalanced, there was no DR, no slow down, and Energy Transfer was still funny.
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You obviously have no idea how the pvp forums work.
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Originally Posted by Cover Girl
One time...PF told me I was stupid, then made me do a bunch of BAF's back to back.. I died a lot. The end.
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You can't possibly be the worst pvp'er on virtue tokyo, you're being to modest. I mean paix and terminal lad(crazy woman) ring a bell anyone.....
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
What do you mean 'IF' it's true? You obviously know nothing about me. I'm the worst pvper on Virtue.
Baddos trash-talk. So despite your polite request I'll have to decline. Enjoy being gud Xan i'll enjoy being the worst pvper on Virtue. d;D |
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz. yellow snow
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Originally Posted by Boomie
You can't possibly be the worst pvp'er on virtue
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Terminal Lad is probably the WORST pvper in the entire game, I mean even the name is fail. Seriously, rad/rad? Besides Terminal lad is probably a dude. No female player would ever make a character named Terminal Lad. d;D
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Originally Posted by Boomie
You can't possibly be the worst pvp'er on virtue tokyo, you're being to modest. I mean paix and terminal lad(crazy woman) ring a bell anyone.....
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No way...
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Originally Posted by MAD UMLAUTS
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Terminal Lad is probably the WORST pvper in the entire game, I mean even the name is fail. Seriously, rad/rad? Besides Terminal lad is probably a dude. No female player would ever make a character named Terminal Lad. d;D
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Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
for anyone who didnt die with the pvp being dead and joined my league team plz register so we can get things ready for draftz.
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...&TabID=3641068
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Originally Posted by Boomie
Has anyone ever been on vent with TL? I honestly suspect that TL is a female or at the very least a feminine dude from so lulzy conversations in RV. Man I really need to save chatlogs. Virtue is the rp server so would it be all that strange if a female named a toon terminal lad?
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Originally Posted by MAD UMLAUTS
Tokyo is Terminal Lad
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Well played good sir, well played. Still I still say paix is worse....
Elec/Cold Troller AV/Pylon/GM/TF/SF Soloing Antics
everytime...he gets me everytime.... DAMN U BOOMIE
-- _Ilr_Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I love PVP, it is the first thing I look for in a mmo.
Having said that, I have tried to get into PVP in this game and it just makes me sad. Every time I enter RV, the "PVP" is 3 or 4 people camping the opposition's spawn because they think there might be someone in there.
It doesn't matter how sucky PVE is, it certainly can;t be less interesting than that. I don;t want to be man number 5 camping the spawn hoping someone will show up and I don't want to log over to be the single man in there trying to fight four people. Neither of those situations are PVP.
I play CoH solely for the PVE, well actually I play CoH solely for my friends. If I feel like PVP, I log into my endless trial of another, far superior and more PVP orientated MMO and have a good time.
soon i will have my brute built for pvp and ill be looking to go toe to toe with the best.
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lol what other MMO?
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Originally Posted by Giant2005
I love PVP, it is the first thing I look for in a mmo.
Having said that, I have tried to get into PVP in this game and it just makes me sad. Every time I enter RV, the "PVP" is 3 or 4 people camping the opposition's spawn because they think there might be someone in there. It doesn't matter how sucky PVE is, it certainly can;t be less interesting than that. I don;t want to be man number 5 camping the spawn hoping someone will show up and I don't want to log over to be the single man in there trying to fight four people. Neither of those situations are PVP. I play CoH solely for the PVE, well actually I play CoH solely for my friends. If I feel like PVP, I log into my endless trial of another, far superior and more PVP orientated MMO and have a good time. |
I wrote a Haiku five minutes ago about pvp and I would like to share it with you all since I'm Japanese.
P V P is dead
So rage, rage like winner you are
Rage lahk wind you break
This Haiku brought to you by Yellow's skull bus. It's short like this haiku and your e-peens.
d;D
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Warhammer.|
Originally Posted by PowerFlame
lol what other MMO?
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It is in a unique situation where the endless trial is far superior to the actual game.
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In some circles they call that end game content. Just not this one. d;D
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Originally Posted by Giant2005
Warhammer.
It is in a unique situation where the endless trial is far superior to the actual game. |
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never herd of it
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Originally Posted by Giant2005
Warhammer.
It is in a unique situation where the endless trial is far superior to the actual game. |
Stop trash talking people.
Stop commenting on PVP.
Baddos trash-talk. So despite your polite request I'll have to decline.
Enjoy being gud Xan i'll enjoy being the worst pvper on Virtue. d;D