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Originally Posted by Ironik
Those are tiny and illegible. They could say anything.
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I'm curious, why?
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
I don't really WANT BaB to be a member of the Phalanx
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Because he has his own history that sits alongside that of the Freedom Phalanx. The history of the Regulators is the history of the drug war in Paragon City and specifically the history of Superadine. He's a pivotal hero with his own legacy. I'd rather see him as a representative of the old-guard and his own concerns than subsumed into the Phalanx and its agenda. I'd be much more interested in learning what's become of the rest of the Regulators, and maybe even see them revived.|
Originally Posted by Zamuel
I'm curious, why?
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In any case, I like the idea of there being some recognizable Signature Heroes who have an existence that doesn't depend on or depend from the Signature Super Group.
Some comic evidence (http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/media_...ic_archive.php):
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This is important when you consider that, in Issue 16 of the comic, Ms. Liberty says "These Praetorians are evil versions of the Freedom Phalanx from an alternate Earth."|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Not to mention that his Praetorian counterpart is a Praetor.
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However, the initial pages of Issue 7 make it ambiguous... he clearly knows Statesman, and guards clearly don't know him out of costume... whether this means he isn't part of the FP, or used to be, is unclear.
Then in Issue 10, he's pretty clearly not part of the Phalanx at all.
http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/media_...ic_archive.php
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To me, it appears BAB worked his way slyly into the ranks of the Freedom Phalanx without anyone really knowing who invited him. And what difference does it make?|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
[size=4]Sanctioned by none other than Dr. Aeon himself (both the dev AND the scientist)... here we have AE proof. http://twitpic.com/63mve4
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Question: "What kind of super group does Back Ally Brawler join?"
Answer: "Any super group he wants."
I pity the fool who says BAB must submit to a SG's interview process.
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I always figured he was a reserve member as well.
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Nearly every reference to BABs is confused. Might want to flog your lore guys!|
Originally Posted by Positron
Man, even Arachnos is confused!
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Hey wait, didn't you help write some of the content that references BABs as a Phalanx member?
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Why is he not a Vindicator? I mean, all of the other Phalanxer side-kicks are a part of it... why not the one guy who is associated with member of the Phalanx but not a member himself?
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As someone said upstream, I dare you to walk up to Michael White and tell him that he's ANYBODY's sidekick...|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Why is he not a Vindicator? I mean, all of the other Phalanxer side-kicks are a part of it... why not the one guy who is associated with member of the Phalanx but not a member himself?
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It would be like suggesting that Johnny Cash was sidekick material because he was "only" a member of the Million Dollar Quartet (Cash, Elvis, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis) instead of a member of The Traveling Wilbury's. I guarantee you that Dylan, Petty, Orbison, Harrison and Lynne would never dream of calling Johnny Cash a "sidekick" and nobody in the Phalanx would ever have a glimmer of a dream of calling the Back Alley Brawler a "sidekick".
Anybody who doesn't realize that the Brawler has a stature every bit as high as the Statesman's doesn't understand their history.
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Originally Posted by Felderburg
Some comic evidence (http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/media_...ic_archive.php
): This is important when you consider that, in Issue 16 of the comic, Ms. Liberty says "These Praetorians are evil versions of the Freedom Phalanx from an alternate Earth." However, the initial pages of Issue 7 make it ambiguous... he clearly knows Statesman, and guards clearly don't know him out of costume... whether this means he isn't part of the FP, or used to be, is unclear. Then in Issue 10, he's pretty clearly not part of the Phalanx at all. |
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Fixed it for you.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
Wait, the lore is contradictory?! Oh no, that's totally... expected, really.
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I'm trying to think of a good reason to not make BaBs a member of the Freedom Phalanx. The only one I can think of is that he is too bad*** for them, and is planning on starting his own supergroup with Blue Steel and Crimson.
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Originally Posted by ScottyB
In the "Brawling with the Big Boys" arc from Crimson Revenant, the overview/first mission briefing reads:The Longbow in the base talk about being excited to meet BAB, so he must be the visiting Phalanx member, right? There's no mention of any other signature characters in the arc.
Then again, the souvenir for the arc is Back Alley Brawler's mask. I see shades. But I don't see a mask as part of his costume... unless the final mission has him in an alternate costume. |
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Originally Posted by Positron
Man, even Arachnos is confused!
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It's implied in that arc right there.
It's also implied in the missions of the Recluse Strike Force where you fight the Phalanx (both future and current). BaB is included in both of those missions, and it is never made clear that he isn't a member. It would be easy to assume, by his inclusion in the missions where you fight the Phalanx, that he is indeed a member.
BaB is also included as a signature Hero in Recluse's Victory. While not as strong of an implication as the other 2 instances, that could lead to confusion as well.
I've actually often wondered why he shows up in missions where you're supposed to fight the Phalanx, because I knew he wasn't a member. I just kind of figured he works with the Phalanx from time to time, but I can see how it would be confusing.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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The Vindicators are the junior Phalanxers made up of their mentees (i.e., sidekicks). According to the CoH Comic Books, BAB is an older man (his heyday was in the 70's fighting drugs on the street) who was once the mentor of Manticore, so, he's nobody's sidekick.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Why is he not a Vindicator? I mean, all of the other Phalanxer side-kicks are a part of it... why not the one guy who is associated with member of the Phalanx but not a member himself?
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This whole thing can be easily wrapped up by picking up where the comic books left off: That by virtue of being a member of the Surviving Eight and having recently come out of retirement and working closely with the Freedom Phalanx he made official what everyone thought: he's a member of the Freedom Phalanx, even if just an adjunct or honorary member.
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Why even be adjunct? Just join him up, already.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
The Vindicators are the junior Phalanxers made up of their mentees (i.e., sidekicks). According to the CoH Comic Books, BAB is an older man (his heyday was in the 70's fighting drugs on the street) who was once the mentor of Manticore, so, he's nobody's sidekick.
This whole thing can be easily wrapped up by picking up where the comic books left off: That by virtue of being a member of the Surviving Eight and having recently come out of retirement and working closely with the Freedom Phalanx he made official what everyone thought: he's a member of the Freedom Phalanx, even if just an adjunct or honorary member. |
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Please watch your wording. The LAST thing we need are more "pairing names" floating to the surface.
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I've wondered about BaB's status with the Freedom Phalanx myself. There are several instances in-game where he's referred to both as an FP member and as NOT being an FP member, as have been well-documented here. I had reconciled this personally by assuming that while he was considered a member of the Freedom Phalanx (either by having been one actively in the past or as an honorary member), his status as being semi-retired now means that he is no longer an ACTIVE member of the Freedom Phalanx. This frees it up for each person to call him either a FPer or not an FPer as they like.
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Could just be due to politics, BABs would care about doing things right, but not necessarily through all of the endless "committee-ing." Unlike Manticore, who would do things "at any cost." BABs would prolly say just agree to end a stalemate so real work can get started.|
Originally Posted by Ironik
Why even be adjunct? Just join him up, already.
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With Street Justice to be released, I've had an epiphany. Whether or not BABs bite's it in the upcoming Signature Arc's. I would suggest that BABs gets a retcon into a more truer representation of his perceived abilities. I move that he be made into a Willpower/Street Justice Tanker, instead of being the mechanically Baby Statesman I've -ALWAYS- felt him to be. His name BACK ALLEY BRAWLER just screams Street Justice. His starting in the Paragon PD, forming the Regulators, quotes, and general personality point in the direction that he has incredible WILLPOWER! []I know it can be weird to make a Willpower NPC[] Keep the Energy Melee attacks with respect due to his "Power Gloves." But for the love of Pete. The BACK ALLEY BRAWLER should be WILLPOWER/STREET JUSTICE, you all know it's true. No *handwave* he's different now, but this is how he should been from the get go, but they just didn't have to tech to make him yet.
In light of this, I propse to keep Marauder just the way he is. As we have seen evident in Neuron's redesign, that Praetors can differ from their Primal counterparts. Marauder's background/etc do suggest someone a bit "harder" the invulnerability fits for a former front-line warrior against horrors.
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I disagree. I always saw BABs first and foremost as an unstoppable force before he was a dirty fighter. He's been portrayed as such everywhere I've seen him, and his tremendous presence is what garners him the respect he has. Street Justice is an unfair, dirty fighting technique that fighters use to close an otherwise problematic power gap. BABs doesn't need this, because any power gap that exists is usually in his favour. He's a "heavy" much more so than he is a fighter.
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Originally Posted by Endless Waltz
With Street Justice to be released, I've had an epiphany. Whether or not BABs bite's it in the upcoming Signature Arc's. I would suggest that BABs gets a retcon into a more truer representation of his perceived abilities. I move that he be made into a Willpower/Street Justice Tanker, instead of being the mechanically Baby Statesman I've -ALWAYS- felt him to be. His name BACK ALLEY BRAWLER just screams Street Justice. His starting in the Paragon PD, forming the Regulators, quotes, and general personality point in the direction that he has incredible WILLPOWER! []I know it can be weird to make a Willpower NPC[] Keep the Energy Melee attacks with respect due to his "Power Gloves." But for the love of Pete. The BACK ALLEY BRAWLER should be WILLPOWER/STREET JUSTICE, you all know it's true. No *handwave* he's different now, but this is how he should been from the get go, but they just didn't have to tech to make him yet.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I agree with Sam on this one. Those fancy gauntlets that Manticore, Sr. had built for him are there so that he doesn't need something like Street Justice. As long as he connects, he wins. I get that the name "Street Justice" resonates with a character whose history is all about fighting crime in the streets and back-alleys, but it more accurately describes BaB's opponents than BaB himself.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I disagree. I always saw BABs first and foremost as an unstoppable force before he was a dirty fighter. He's been portrayed as such everywhere I've seen him, and his tremendous presence is what garners him the respect he has. Street Justice is an unfair, dirty fighting technique that fighters use to close an otherwise problematic power gap. BABs doesn't need this, because any power gap that exists is usually in his favour. He's a "heavy" much more so than he is a fighter.
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I think people need to look away from the name of the set. They see Street Justice and think BABs! Instead of thinking, is this the type of fighting BABs would do?
Really I don't imagine BABs being much of a fighter that relies on kicks and a spinning back kick (if he tried it, I imagine the effect being something akin to Detective Murtoc in Leathel Weapon).
Super Strength fits his style of fighting, that goes hand in hand with his power gauntlets.
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Log in to the Beta Server. Go to Atlas Park. Open your map, and reselect all the crap that gets deselcted, specifically Trainers. You'll find that Brawler is near the top-right corner of the map. Head over there, and you'll find a PPD station.
Go inside, and find Brawler. Click on him, and in the window that pops up, click on Ask About This Contact.
The result:
Brawler is a member of the Freedom Phalanx.
If he wasn't meant to be, then someone screwed up big time including him in the Sig Arc Promo art.
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Log in to the Beta Server. Go to Atlas Park. Open your map, and reselect all the crap that gets deselcted, specifically Trainers. You'll find that Brawler is near the top-right corner of the map. Head over there, and you'll find a PPD station.
Go inside, and find Brawler. Click on him, and in the window that pops up, click on Ask About This Contact. The result: Brawler is a member of the Freedom Phalanx. If he wasn't meant to be, then someone screwed up big time including him in the Sig Arc Promo art. |
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Heh. I'm going to mirror the fellow who asked me upstream and ask you, Michelle - Why do you want him IN the Phalanx?
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Thank you, Kheldarn. *hug*
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