make Shadow Shard a free pvp zone
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Posted on: 2011-08-09 03:22 in Everything about PvP
I would rather not. The Shadow Shard is a beautiful zone with a great lore and a couple TF's. It would ruin my day if my blaster got one shotted by a stalker while I was enjoying the scenery.
Besides that, there's also no real reason for this to happen. PvP is frankly a minority in this game, and there are already plenty of empty zones for PvPers to use.
Its also a most empty zone. and yes pvp is a minority but thats also because there are no real pvp zones.
This could be an answer to both.
I love pvp but the Shadow Shard would be a horrible zone for it. Even in games purely based on pvp like Warhammer, the larger zones suck for it.
Can you imagine how long it would take to find someone to kill in that massive zone? You idea would literally destroy the last little bit of pvp we have left.
I'd rather a small zone like Pocket D be turned into a pvp zone.
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Actually - there is only one high level pvp zone. RV. I beleive the op is asking for another. Also your blaster cannot get one shotted by anything there is such a thing as one shot code and if your blaster gets killed by a lone stalker then yeah you should stay out of pvp zones and since your obviously biased against pvp why even post in the forums?
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Originally Posted by Shadowclone
I would rather not. The Shadow Shard is a beautiful zone with a great lore and a couple TF's. It would ruin my day if my blaster got one shotted by a stalker while I was enjoying the scenery.
Besides that, there's also no real reason for this to happen. PvP is frankly a minority in this game, and there are already plenty of empty zones for PvPers to use. |
Is the Arena, Bloody Bay, Siren's Call, Warburg, and Recluse's Victory not enough zones for a dead aspect of the game? Why the Shadow Shard?
If the PvP community was more robust (and not just an extremely vocal few) I could understand the want/need for a new PvP zone - maybe a PvP off-shoot of the Shadow Shard - but not taking an existing zone and make it PvP so a few teenagers can get their rocks off.
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Actually I think PVP is making a comeback.|
Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
Is the Arena, Bloody Bay, Siren's Call, Warburg, and Recluse's Victory not enough zones for a dead aspect of the game? Why the Shadow Shard?
If the PvP community was more robust (and not just an extremely vocal few) I could understand the want/need for a new PvP zone - maybe a PvP off-shoot of the Shadow Shard - but not taking an existing zone and make it PvP so a few teenagers can get their rocks off. |
A significant majority of the people my farmer farms up all say their character is designed for the same purpose: PVP.
It makes sense too, when you are done with the end-game content you have 3 options left: PVP, make a new character and do it all again, or quit the game and look for something more interesting. There are only so many times you can make new characters and do the same grind over and over again before boredom forces you to move onto option C. The rest of us PVP.
PVP is the only true end-game of any MMO.
First, this should probably be in the Suggestions area of the forums... since that is precisely what this is.
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Making it PvP will ensure it stays that way.|
Originally Posted by Cernowain
Its one of the biggest zone's in the game but most of the time there is nobody there.
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| Wouldnt it be great to make it an open pvp zone? |
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| Just implement stuff there so people are willing to go there. But with a warning that you can get atacked by other players. |
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| where you just can choose to be in an epic pvp battle or just do pve stuff in other zones. |
Also, what of the Four TFs that start and run there? I don't believe you mentioned those.
Shard PvP?
Because you want hide 'n seek added to CoH? Don't we get enough of that with kill-all Oranbegan maps?
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Lol a few teenagers? As opposed to the geriatric horde of pver-ers that totally lack any twitch reflexes whatsoever and have to play a monotonous, repetitively grind based game in order not to fail?| If the PvP community was more robust (and not just an extremely vocal few) I could understand the want/need for a new PvP zone - maybe a PvP off-shoot of the Shadow Shard - but not taking an existing zone and make it PvP so a few teenagers can get their rocks off. |
I think you, Zombieman and that other guy are lost. This is the forum for people that have an interest in pvp.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Shard PvP?
Because you want hide 'n seek added to CoH? Don't we get enough of that with kill-all Oranbegan maps? |
I'd like to see the Shadow Shard zones (and TFs) become Co-Op, but if we did have huge maps like these become PvP all the actual fighting would wind up on one floating rock anyway, just so PvPers would be able to find someone to fight. And with the loss of level restrictions in the Shard zones, there would be no balance to prevent L50s with Incarnate powers from hanging out and sniping L35s.
Wow a lot of hostile reaction on this.
Well guys to be fair i dont think pvp is a hide and seek game.
And for larger zone's look at Aion or wow for that matter, the whole world is a pvp zone.
Zo why should it be a problem to have the tf's there? people just have cant go afk and stand and wait but its more exciting when something can happen while you wait.
And even in pvp zone's you can make places where you cant atack eachother.
And to prevent hide and seek, well this should be pretty easy make objectives that you can atack like the original idea where you could atack another sg base.
Just have timewindows where you can atack or defend. The reward for defending would be extra buffs in the zone.
Loads of game's have figured this out.
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Not hostile, just realistic.|
Originally Posted by Cernowain
Wow a lot of hostile reaction on this.
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| Well guys, to be fair, I do not think PvP is a hide and seek game. |
For example, you can force a Capture the flag game-mode on non CTF maps in Red Eclipse, even remakes of classic Q3A type maps. Just because you can do that, does not mean that you'll get a good play experience.
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| And for larger zone's look at Aion or wow for that matter, the whole world is a pvp zone. |
Those games are not City of Heroes
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| So why should it be a problem to have the TF's there? Players just will not be able to go afk. (I think) it is more exciting when something can happen while you wait. |
PvP play has been in the game since about Issue 4 Colosseum: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Issue_4
Throughout the entire time that it is has been in-game, PvP play has never attracted more than single digit player percentages. The developers have tried numerous carrots over the years to get players into the PvP zones, such as the Shivans in Bloody Bay, the Rockets in Warburg, exclusive badges to all zones, and requiring Villains to enter PvP zones to complete their History badges. Back in Issue 13 the developers tried again, revamping the base concepts of PvP to player-feedback, and separating PvP powers from PvE powers, allowing the developers to balance PvP play experience separate of PvE experience.
The developers also talked about one of their greatest failures, the Gladiator PvP mode which allowed players to compete in a Pokemon-like battle using NPC characteres. The developers thought it was going to be a huge hit.
None of those attempts at PvP play have worked.
Case in point, many of the older PvP players left after Issue 13, unhappy with the changes that were brought to the system.
This now brings us up to date. There's a pretty good reason the developers generally haven't scheduled any resources to PvP development. It simply isn't profitable for this game.
The vast majority of City of Heroes subscribers have largely rejected PvP play. Suggestions to convert existing zones to co-op, or to convert an entire zone to Open-World-PvP, have largely been met with derision and vitriolic speech from vast majority of the player-base.
Why would it be a problem? Because if the developers forwarded this idea, it'd make the backlash on the CoT revamp seem tame.
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| And even in PvP zone's there can be zones where players cannot attack each other. |
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| To prevent hide and seek there should be objectives that you can attack, like the original idea where you could atack another SG base. |
The base raids themselves were an ill-conceived attempt to, once again, attract a PvP player-base. As with the other attempts... it didn't work.
Now, would an objective based gameplay be a viable draw for PvP players? No, but I'll get to that in a moment or three.
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Just have a window of time where you can attack or defend. The reward for defending would be extra buffs in the zone. Loads of game's have figured this out. |
The reality for City of Heroes is that the game was never built with PvP play in mind. PvP play, as we know it, was shoe-horned into the game.
The reality for City of Heroes is that most other MMO's have large teams whose sole dedication is PvP development. Unless Paragon Studios decides to match the investment other games have in PvP, Paragon Studios is never going to be able to compete.
The reality for City of Heroes is that it does not have to compete in the PvP market. For over 7 years now City of Heroes has been the MMO that has proven that MMO's do not need a PvP component to be successful or profitable.
Bringing this back around to your request:
You might find it exciting to risk a possible ganking of your avatar wandering around a zone.
The rest of the player base? The 95% (or greater) that has never touched PvP play to begin with? The majority of the player base that plays City of Heroes specifically because PvP play is not required and can be avoided while performing 99.9% of the game's content?
I would think they would disagree with you.
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This has been wrong every single time you've said it. It remains so today. If you are going to make an argument, at least do so without being a complete downy kid.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Throughout the entire time that it is has been in-game, PvP play has never attracted more than single digit player percentages.
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"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
im in the crowd that wants co op shadow shard, but it had definitely not get pvp in it
i too would absolutely hate for pvp to ruin the zone, all of the retarded i13 pvp rules that are present in the current pvp zones are not fun and i do NOT want their disease spread to a good zone like the shadow shard
pvp itself is not too bad, if those rules did not apply, and as mentioned there are 4 pvp zones + the arena for pvp
The only thing more fun than jumping around between giant floating rocks is jumping around between giant floating rocks with travel suppression.
Shadow Shard would be horrible for PvP. And to all of you saying PvP is dead, just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not there.
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Yea yea, you think you know stuff.
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KB powers would be hilarious out there, but of course PvPers would be slotted against them. Pinball games with new entrants would be great though. Have one team on a geyser, other team on second and chain Force Bolt people around the shard. 
Don't think the Devs will go for this, maybe a Shard arena map though. :P
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Throughout the entire time that it is has been in-game, PvP play has never attracted more than single digit player percentages. . |
Ex Libris herself said there were 10% + of player base pop at its peak.
Test had several dozen people doing matches on any night, if not more.
In between issues 5 and 9, you easily had 20 teams (counting both sides) of 10-20 people each in the various ladders and that's not even counting zone play.
Next time you're going to be incorrect, please do so without a wall of text.
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How odd that this game's population has been in a slow decline since right around I13.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
The reality for City of Heroes is that it does not have to compete in the PvP market. For over 7 years now City of Heroes has been the MMO that has proven that MMO's do not need a PvP component to be successful or profitable.
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Well as already stated there is not much chalence in endgame so most people are alting and powerlvling.
And yes pvp has issue's. But the big advantage of shadow shard is that its hardly used by people and is a world of its own.
So you have a lot of posibilitys to adjust rules in that zone.
And to come back on other games. Aion is from NC soft aswell so they have the technic in house.
I played aion and it feeled like a gimped version of city of heroes. Not for the game play but because the fly powers you have there and the point where the game is build around are very week when you compare it to city of heroes.
But the way the pvp works in endzones would work for shadow shard.
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I like how all PvPers are characterized as being teenagers or immature or trolls or griefers or all of the above. Have you ever heard of "generalizing?" Just because a few PvPers are not so nice doesn't make us all bad people or whatever way you want to spin it, there are plenty of us that want this game to be what it can be, and PvPers believe that a good way to do that is put more emphasis on PvP, or at least not let it sit around and not get touched issue after issue. People also need to understand that plenty of us are still bitter about i13 and the neglect of PvP since then. But my point is that labeling all PvPers as bad members of the community is just wrong, and also saying that PvP doesn't matter because we are a minority is wrong, we still pay 15 a month to do what we want, which happens to be PvP.|
Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
Is the Arena, Bloody Bay, Siren's Call, Warburg, and Recluse's Victory not enough zones for a dead aspect of the game? Why the Shadow Shard?
If the PvP community was more robust (and not just an extremely vocal few) I could understand the want/need for a new PvP zone - maybe a PvP off-shoot of the Shadow Shard - but not taking an existing zone and make it PvP so a few teenagers can get their rocks off. |
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That said, I don't think a Shadow Shard clone would be the best option for a 50 PvP zone, but I do feel pretty strongly about adding more 50 PvP content, especially some kind of new and improved FFA zone.
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You don't understand 2 crucial points about this.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
The developers also talked about one of their greatest failures, the Gladiator PvP mode which allowed players to compete in a Pokemon-like battle using NPC characteres. The developers thought it was going to be a huge hit. |
1. Pokemon Balancing is strict and extremely exact, to this day with over 500 there is still no 1 perfect team.
2. Night widows with -tohit grenades will automatically win anything, and the CoT Mages are Elite Bosses instead of Bosses like every other baddie you can pick. Not to mention the point system didn't make any sense.
The reason it wasn't successful was because it was horribly designed and wasn't balanced. If pokemon had the same flaws it would have died out as well (fighting other trainers anyway). That -was- their greatest failure, but not because of the pvp community (We used to do SG battles with glad matches when it came out), it was instead the terrible design.
If Incarnate trials didn't give any rewards, had no story or logic begind it, and were designed as terribly, nobody would use those either.
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Can i get a lvl 50 ffa zone plz thanks!
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Originally Posted by BattleWraith
Lol a few teenagers? As opposed to the geriatric horde of pver-ers that totally lack any twitch reflexes whatsoever and have to play a monotonous, repetitively grind based game in order not to fail?
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Throughout the entire time that it is has been in-game, PvP play has never attracted more than single digit player percentages.
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It's because you completely made this up.
Its one of the biggest zone's in the game but most of the time there is nobody there.
Also its only heroes at this moment. Wouldnt it be great to make it an open pvp zone?
Just implement stuff there so people are willing to go there. But with a warning that you can get atacked by other players.
Would be nice if there is something like the old protect your sg base kind of stuff. but then with whole zones that you can atack or protect.
And afcourse with rewards that justify it for people to be there.
You can have a full pvp and pve game next to eachother where you just can choose to be in an epic pvp battle or just do pve stuff in other zones.