Discussion: City of Heroes Freedom and Issue 21 VIP Beta starts August 9!


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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
Which brings me to a very ugly thought about this going live.

If the store goes down, as it does many times in a year, players will lose access not just to any unfilled character slots, but a whole host of other "services":
Expansion access players paid for (Good Vs. Evil, Architect Edition, Going Rogue, Going Rogue: Complete Collection).
Archetypes players unlocked (if they haven't unlocked tier 5).
Incarnate system.

And that is just scratching the surface.
I had thought that account and character unlocks were "sticky" in that they required the account server and the store to be online at the moment of purchase, but they did not need to be up continuously for that stuff to be constantly validated. That may still be true and this is just beta stuff involving one-time prevalidation scripts for beta testers. But if its true that the store actually has to be up constantly and if its not all or even many unlockables can disappear because they cannot be validated, that's asking for trouble.

The first time I can't access my characters on live because of a server glitch I'm going to complain loudly, and quoting the standard code rant will be about as effective on me as quoting the ten commandments.

Designing the system to require continuous validation of in-game options is asking for the kind of trouble you do not want.


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quick question: do you need to hve the update that is reqiured for live to hve downloaded before you can download the beta?


 

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Hope you all have fun. I have Given up and gone to bed. Managed to grab the hoverboard when the market was up for me seems like a nifty travel power.(was up for 5-10 mins out of the 2 hours i played.) Hopefully all sorted tomorrow.

Good effort so far devs. The thing that got me the most excited seeing the yellow passive borders on skulls in Mercy. Looks like you did bring it over from GR.


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ooookaaay, I cant get out of the tutorial cause my account that I've had for 6 years wont open the store nor can I create any charectors with anything cept basic tights. It seems to think my beta vip account is a trial account. Which I understand is a known issue but still irks me.


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hi - every time i try to login to the beta server i get a message that it is closed to the public. But I have been a pating subscriber since 2004. My login on regular works fine - can anyone help?


 

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So far street justice looks amazing!


 

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my beta wont even download D:


 

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
I had thought that account and character unlocks were "sticky" in that they required the account server and the store to be online at the moment of purchase, but they did not need to be up continuously for that stuff to be constantly validated. That may still be true and this is just beta stuff involving one-time prevalidation scripts for beta testers.
It seems to be a mixed bag. The store is not reflecting my previously unlocked items/expansions. It did recognise my Veteran Rewards status, so some of my info was already unlocked, but not everything.

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But if its true that the store actually has to be up constantly and if its not all or even many unlockables can disappear because they cannot be validated, that's asking for trouble.
What has been unlocked seems to vary depending on the item in question.

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If the store/account server is down you may lose the following:
  • Inability to access unlocked account features.
  • Inability to access store or recent purchases.
  • Paragon Rewards may not be up to date and cannot spend Paragon Reward Tokens.
  • Cannot claim vouchers and certificates.
Sounds real time to me.




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Originally Posted by HudsonJ View Post
Nope: I'm getting the always-delightful "Public access to this server has been disabled".
I'm getting this too.


 

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They're closing the market to work on the issues, so I suppose there isn't much point on trying to get anything from there, as whatever you get won't be recognized in 30 minutes from now.


 

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Originally Posted by viewtifuldee View Post
That's why they do the beta test: to work out these kind of problems.
Tell me how they plan for an unplanned service outage.



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I like the reason I just got a frozen screen then kicked. "Invalid Gender"



*checks to make sure she's still female* NOOOO! I've become like a Barbie doll!


 

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
I had thought that account and character unlocks were "sticky" in that they required the account server and the store to be online at the moment of purchase, but they did not need to be up continuously for that stuff to be constantly validated. That may still be true and this is just beta stuff involving one-time prevalidation scripts for beta testers. But if its true that the store actually has to be up constantly and if its not all or even many unlockables can disappear because they cannot be validated, that's asking for trouble.

The first time I can't access my characters on live because of a server glitch I'm going to complain loudly, and quoting the standard code rant will be about as effective on me as quoting the ten commandments.

Designing the system to require continuous validation of in-game options is asking for the kind of trouble you do not want.
Agreed. Look at the joy continuous online validation brings to DRM in games!

If that's how it's going to work on my VIP stuff (stuff that isn't supposed to be getting taken away), I'll be rethinking my subscription as (if the current store server is any indicator), the market and rewards servers will be down 50-75% of the time.

Just
NOT
Acceptable



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I suppose it just requires validation once after you login, is that wrong? And it's not like they will be down all of the time, you people are making a big deal out of little. This is BETA, just because they are down here it doesn't mean that they will be down after Freedom launches.


 

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I can enter the store from character select, but not ingame. In the store it doesn't seem to remove options that you already have - I can buy both jump powers and ninja run even though I already own them and can access in the game.

And there is a problem where I can't finish the tutorial, but they keep making ingame announcements about that one.


 

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If its okay, could someome who has the Beta installed, please tell me the correct way to download it?


 

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
If the store/account server is down you may lose the following:
  • Inability to access unlocked account features.
  • Inability to access store or recent purchases.
  • Paragon Rewards may not be up to date and cannot spend Paragon Reward Tokens.
  • Cannot claim vouchers and certificates.
Sounds real time to me.
I saw that and the question mark thingy as well, but I'm not sure if that is a standard disclaimer or a statement of functionality. If that reflects the functionality of the system, its not a good idea.

Whenever a developer proposes anything remotely like that to me, I always ask them one question: "are you willing to be on call 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year to address problems with it when the system becomes unavailable and impacts end users?" If the answer is "no" I remind them I'm not actually asking: I'm telling them what will happen if they go ahead and do that.


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Quick question, are we under any kind of NDA, or are we free to talk about this to whomever, wherever we want?


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6X Enhancement Unslotter...you receive 5 vouchers for a single Enhancement Unslotter...
4X Enhancement Booster...you receive 5 vouchers for a single Enhancement Booster...

Come on, guys, proofread.

And, yes, I'm nit picking over the one aspect of the system I can actually access.


 

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Quick question, are we under any kind of NDA, or are we free to talk about this to whomever, wherever we want?
The forums are open for anyone to read, so I hardly think so. Either way, you should be free to say whatever you want if you hadn't agreed to or signed any sort of contract.


 

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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
Tell me how they plan for an unplanned service outage.
Yeah, the point is you can't plan for that. The only thing you can do is try to have the downtime to as small as possible.

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If that's how it's going to work on my VIP stuff (stuff that isn't supposed to be getting taken away), I'll be rethinking my subscription as (if the current store server is any indicator), the market and rewards servers will be down 50-75% of the time.
Are you reading the image the same as I am?
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
If the store/account server is down you may lose the following:
  • Inability to access unlocked account features.
  • Inability to access store or recent purchases.
  • Paragon Rewards may not be up to date and cannot spend Paragon Reward Tokens.
  • Cannot claim vouchers and certificates.
Sounds real time to me.
Some of my stuff (controllers) I could access because I had sufficient veteran reward status. Some of the stuff I had already unlocked on my character (incarnate costume pieces).

It looks like most of my booster packs are valid, but some oddities:

As soon as I accessed my tips window I got my Rogue status back.
Still don't have my Incarnate powers.
The new/classic team UI window pops up every time I zone.
And I lost 3 salvage capacity (on live, due to a reported bug I have 95 salvage capacity), this drops me to 92 salvage.




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Hey folks just got in games heads up!!:

[Admin] NCsoft_ServerGuy: Store is reloading now. You will have to relog before everything works.

Alright Folks We have GREEN for Go, I Repeated We have GREEN for Go! Paragon Market is up & Running, People with Access issues check now.


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Originally Posted by LaLoca_Mo View Post
Hey folks just got in games heads up!!:

[Admin] NCsoft_ServerGuy: Store is reloading now. You will have to relog before everything works.
This is amazing news! If only I could login...


 

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Originally Posted by Dal View Post
This is amazing news! If only I could login...
Sure as heck won't let me login. Everything is locked out unless I go to the store to activiate my account, and I am not charging my card for a test.

EDIT: Also it seems the store is offline, so I can't do ****


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