Highest Single Target DPS Power Set


Auroxis

 

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To give some background, my goal is to to make a toon capable of soloing AV's. I figured a brute would be good for that, given that they tend to be good for damage, sturdy enough to take the aggro, and they have higher base hitpoints then a scrapper.. I am thinking shield for the secondary, because of the damage buff as well as it's ability to have capped defenses and some s/l resistance.

So my real question is, what Brute Primary Power Set does the Highest Single Target DPS?

Thanks for your help/ridicule.


 

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You will be ridiculed with your 1 post asking for a top build. There is the "read-the-forums" answer as this topic has been beat to death on the Scrapper and Brute forums. The Rikti Pylon thread on the Scrapper Forum is a good place to start especially if you look at the pre-Incarnate times of the different Primary/Secondary combos. Yeh, it's a lot to read. Spoonfeeding is bad, m'kay?

TLDR: 1 target, with AAO & Soul Drain saturated, DM/SD at present. Then again, there are better Pylon times from MMs, Crabs, and Corrs. But if you are set on Brute that's probably it. FM/SD with saturated AAO is probably second. And the scrapper versions probably outperform the Brute versions. Those would be my guesses.


 

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Originally Posted by Granite Agent View Post
You will be ridiculed with your 1 post asking for a top build. There is the "read-the-forums" answer as this topic has been beat to death on the Scrapper and Brute forums. The Rikti Pylon thread on the Scrapper Forum is a good place to start especially if you look at the pre-Incarnate times of the different Primary/Secondary combos. Yeh, it's a lot to read. Spoonfeeding is bad, m'kay?
Harsh much?


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Cool, pointing me in the right direction is good enough for me. Being ridiculed is to be expected so no big problem there. Thanks for your help Granite Agent.

One small question though, what does TLDR stand for?


 

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Originally Posted by MasterTang View Post
To give some background, my goal is to to make a toon capable of soloing AV's. I figured a brute would be good for that, given that they tend to be good for damage, sturdy enough to take the aggro, and they have higher base hitpoints then a scrapper.
Appropriately built scrappers, and even night widows, can solo AVs.


 

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I'm pretty sure FA>SD on brutes for single target damage. Burn is a very good single target attack, Blazing Aura works great with Fury, and Fiery Embrace is amazing.

The current best pylon time holder for brutes(might overtake scrapper times as well) is an SS/FA/Soul brute.


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Originally Posted by Auroxis View Post
I'm pretty sure FA>SD on brutes for single target damage. Burn is a very good single target attack, Blazing Aura works great with Fury, and Fiery Embrace is amazing.

The current best pylon time holder for brutes(might overtake scrapper times as well) is an SS/FA/Soul brute.
It pains me to see that SS/FA/Soul is not only the best farmer, one of the best damage mitigators, one of the best (if not THE best) AoE damage DPS combinations, but is now the best single target DPS combo...where's the parody?


 

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Originally Posted by MasterTang View Post
One small question though, what does TLDR stand for?
Too long; didn't read


 

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Originally Posted by Colossal View Post
It pains me to see that SS/FA/Soul is not only the best farmer, one of the best damage mitigators, one of the best (if not THE best) AoE damage DPS combinations, but is now the best single target DPS combo...where's the parody?
I've said before that SS/FA is the best for pretty much everything and I'll keep saying it. I'm not gonna ask for nerfs, but facts are facts.


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Originally Posted by Auroxis View Post
I've said before that SS/FA is the best for pretty much everything and I'll keep saying it. I'm not gonna ask for nerfs, but facts are facts.
Oh I know I completely agree they are the best at everything and since the game is not balanced on IOs they will not nerf it because the survivability of /Fire is very meh with only SOs.


 

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Originally Posted by Granite Agent View Post
TLDR: 1 target, with AAO & Soul Drain saturated, DM/SD at present. Then again, there are better Pylon times from MMs, Crabs, and Corrs. But if you are set on Brute that's probably it. FM/SD with saturated AAO is probably second. And the scrapper versions probably outperform the Brute versions. Those would be my guesses.
Actually, highest listed scrapper-wise is db/electric; highest listed brute-wise is ss/fire.


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Actually, highest listed scrapper-wise is db/electric; highest listed brute-wise is ss/fire.
I'm looking for a recent recap list but I can't find the DB/Elec.

You are right that Iggy's SS/FA/Soul was killing it for Brutes.

What was the DB/ELE time or DPS?

I know Tektronics was hitting high times with his DM/SD scrap pre any incarnate besides Alpha.


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318 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - tektronics I19
302 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Eva Destruction I19
300 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Santorican I19
300 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Igor The Mad
297 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Myriad I19
293 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Eva Destruction
291 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Gaidin
289 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - _Mojo_
286 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - BrokenPrey
284 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - tektronics
279 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - MunkiLord I19
278 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Santorican
276 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Iggy Kamakaze
270 Kinetic Melee/Fiery Aura - Quatermain I19
267 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Igor The Mad
262 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Machine Man X
262 Dual Blades/Electric Armor - Shadowsylph
262 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - XkreegorX*
262 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - BrokenPrey I19
260 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Reverence I19
259 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Norse
255 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Besserwisser
255 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - MunkiLord
255 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Fury Flechette
253 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Iggy Kamakaze I19
251 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Effy_On_Malibu
251 Kinetic Melee/Shield Defense - Effy_On_Malibu
250 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - doomrider
250 Kinetic Melee/Shield Defense - Silas
249 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Nemeros I19
249 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - SkylineGTR
247 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Enots
244 Fiery Melee/Fiery Aura - DreadShinobi I19
243 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Primal Dark
242 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - MrLiberty
241 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - Powerforge
241 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Reverence
241 Dark Melee/Super Reflexes - Reverence I19
240 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Psyoxic
239 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Effy On Malibu
238 Fiery Melee/Shield Defense - Iceboxer
238 Dark Melee/Shield Defense - pyrite I19


 

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Originally Posted by Auroxis View Post
I'm pretty sure FA>SD on brutes for single target damage.
It is.



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Originally Posted by Auroxis View Post
I've said before that SS/FA is the best for pretty much everything and I'll keep saying it. I'm not gonna ask for nerfs, but facts are facts.
It's very similar to what SD does for scrappers - which is push their AoE and ST DPS several magnitudes above other sets - barring a few exceptional cases like DB.


 

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Originally Posted by Granite Agent View Post
What was the DB/ELE time or DPS?
345.7 after reactive nerf, without lore pets. Time with t4 Warworks pets was 62 seconds. Time with t4 Cimerorans should be higher, according to the pet dps list that Deus did, but haven't actually gone to the trouble of trying yet.


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Is there a listing of average Single Target DPS per Brute Primary without factoring in things outside said primary?

I'd be curious where Energy Melee stands.


 

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Originally Posted by Microcosm View Post
345.7 after reactive nerf, without lore pets. Time with t4 Warworks pets was 62 seconds. Time with t4 Cimerorans should be higher, according to the pet dps list that Deus did, but haven't actually gone to the trouble of trying yet.
OK. In my reply I was trying to talk-about pre-Incarnate dps (except Alpha) or pre-I20 dps to make it clearer. So that clears up the confusion. That last time I posted from Tektronics was pre I20.

I did, I admit, forget the crazy performance Iggy got out of his pre-I20 SS/FA/Soul brutes. And since the OP asked about Brutes specifically, I will admit I pooched that in my reply.


 

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Originally Posted by Colossal View Post
It pains me to see that SS/FA/Soul is not only the best farmer, one of the best damage mitigators, one of the best (if not THE best) AoE damage DPS combinations, but is now the best single target DPS combo...where's the parody?
I'll get to work on a Meh Strength/Tepid Armour/Lawyer Brute ASAP and post the results.


 

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where's the parody?
Right here...

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I'll get to work on a Meh Strength/Tepid Armour/Lawyer Brute ASAP and post the results.


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Interesting information here, still looks like Super Strength is the top contender. However, where does Street Justice go in all of this this? While it isn't released yet a person can pull up the numbers on live.

Anyone able to crunch the DPS on this set? Its advantages would be an attack that does -7.5% Resistance, its Extreme attack does 11.052 (At level 3) brawl index compared to KO blow's 9.889. (Unenhanced values)

Pretty much the damage per activation times of Street Justice's attacks are (at 50):

Initial Strike -- 43.79
Heavy Blow -- 45.22
Sweeping Cross Level 3 -- 46.826
Rib Cracker -- 41.39 (This power debuffs a target's resistance by 7.5%)
Shin Breaker -- 51.43
Crushing Uppercut, at level 0 61.12 and level 3 76.4

Gloom is 66.73 for those wondering.

Super Strength's attacks are : (Excluding Jab and Hurl)

Punch -- 34.76

Haymaker -- 45.6

KO Blow -- 66.58

Granted though the above does not have perma rage factored in and depending on Recharge could have double rage at times. Although you would have to calculate the DPS loss from the 10 second unless you did a veteran attack chain of Sands of Mu, Blackwand (With damage bonus), Nemesis Wand.

Anyways, anyone able to calculate where Street Justice stands?


 

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Originally Posted by Colossal View Post
It pains me to see that SS/FA/Soul is not only the best farmer, one of the best damage mitigators, one of the best (if not THE best) AoE damage DPS combinations, but is now the best single target DPS combo...where's the parody?
You can largely say the same thing about a fire/shield scrapper.

In the ss/fire brute case I don't know about it being one of the best damage mitigators. Even with softcap lethal defense mine gets chewed up horrifically when running at the same difficulty my sm/wp tiptoes through unchallenged. Granted, the usual suspects are the culprits - Longbow, Arachnos, Carnies, and Malta - but my IO'd /wp, /elec, /stone, /ea and /inv all do better against a wider range of foes. /fire is about on par with my /dark - awesome or faceplant, little in between. Brute side I don't have a /sd, /regen, or /sr (have those as scrappers) so I can't compare it to them.

Granted killing a x8 spawn about as fast as it takes one of those other brutes to kill two bosses in it is pretty good mitigation.. but a spawn that refuses to clump together because of a preference for staying at range (several malta and arachnos spawns primarily) with non-smash/lethal attacks (my other defenses are 25% or so) can cause problems. Of course, that's what Barrier is for.


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Originally Posted by Ultimus View Post
brawl index
Man, it's been ages since I've heard someone use that term.

Btw, when calculating DPA, if you simply divide the damage by the activation time (like you did in your post), you'll get numbers that are higher than reality. You need to factor in ArcanaTime. If you want a full description of what it is, you should read the thread first introducing it here.


 

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Man, it's been ages since I've heard someone use that term.

Btw, when calculating DPA, if you simply divide the damage by the activation time (like you did in your post), you'll get numbers that are higher than reality. You need to factor in ArcanaTime. If you want a full description of what it is, you should read the thread first introducing it here.
Yeah I have the entire brawl index memorized and its how I look at powers since it can easily be a universal thing so long as you know the base brawl of a set or their inherent modifier. IE, Brutes are 15 Brawl, .75 scalar, Scrappers are 22.5 Brawl, 1.12 or 1.2 with crits factored, etc.

So where does Street Justice stand given the numbers?


 

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Has anyone yielded good DPS chain with Energy Melee? I think it's the top in DPA, but I never see Energy Melee toons much these days.


 

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Originally Posted by ChaosAngelGeno View Post
Has anyone yielded good DPS chain with Energy Melee? I think it's the top in DPA, but I never see Energy Melee toons much these days.
Since the nerfs Energy Melee is really bad now

Don't believe it even makes the top 5.


 

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I wonder if a Street Justice/Fire Armour Brute will have high DPS than the SS/FA? I see some of the ideas/numbers on here but I just don't know.